| Joe Allen to Stoke? 21:09 - Jul 20 with 54686 views | Jango |
Gone into odds on to join Stoke with a few links on Twitter reporting a bid rising to £13.5million has been accepted by liverpool [Post edited 20 Jul 2016 21:10]
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 13:30 - Jul 25 with 3318 views | snork44 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 13:23 - Jul 25 by jasper_T |
I think that was the other Americans. |
Wherever Ameriican investment perm one from two. It is all the same, the inertia from Huw is worrying on times ! |  |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 13:45 - Jul 25 with 3236 views | Joe_bradshaw |
I stopped believing the propaganda from the board when the first "investors" came along.
I've heard nothing to suggest that the new shareholders will run things much differently and we'll continue to try to stay up as cheaply as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if stadium purchase and expansion take place because in say, three years time an established Premier League club owning its stadium with a capacity of 30,000 or so will be a very saleable asset. Particularly with yet another TV deal in the offing.
Guidolin will be required to maintain our status as cheaply as possible. It's the only way the " investors" will maximize their return when they sell to some Chinese blokes. |  |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 13:47 - Jul 25 with 3204 views | jasper_T |
I think once the new owners take a good look at the stadium deal we've already got they'll quietly kill any plans to buy or improve it. Too much investment needed for too small gain. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 13:52 - Jul 25 with 3161 views | TheKirkyLife |
Despair not everyone. We can put that £13 million towards something important like, oh I don't know, a couple of strikers. |  | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 14:06 - Jul 25 with 3095 views | jack247 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 13:45 - Jul 25 by Joe_bradshaw |
I stopped believing the propaganda from the board when the first "investors" came along.
I've heard nothing to suggest that the new shareholders will run things much differently and we'll continue to try to stay up as cheaply as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if stadium purchase and expansion take place because in say, three years time an established Premier League club owning its stadium with a capacity of 30,000 or so will be a very saleable asset. Particularly with yet another TV deal in the offing.
Guidolin will be required to maintain our status as cheaply as possible. It's the only way the " investors" will maximize their return when they sell to some Chinese blokes. |
Me too. The investment is buying the shares. I don't think they have ever really promised to invest significantly in the team? Huw Jenkins may have said they have the means to, but I'm doubting the inclination.
As you say, the end goal is to sell us on at a fat profit. All they really need to do that is to keep us in the PL for a couple of years. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 14:24 - Jul 25 with 2999 views | Borojack |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 14:06 - Jul 25 by jack247 |
Me too. The investment is buying the shares. I don't think they have ever really promised to invest significantly in the team? Huw Jenkins may have said they have the means to, but I'm doubting the inclination.
As you say, the end goal is to sell us on at a fat profit. All they really need to do that is to keep us in the PL for a couple of years. |
Yes and if they dont manage that they will just strip us to the bone.
But at least our board are multi millionaires which is very important.
Its a shame they havent put the same effort into transfers in as they have in securing there millions.
Investment my arse. |  |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:01 - Jul 25 with 2855 views | jack247 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 14:24 - Jul 25 by Borojack |
Yes and if they dont manage that they will just strip us to the bone.
But at least our board are multi millionaires which is very important.
Its a shame they havent put the same effort into transfers in as they have in securing there millions.
Investment my arse. |
I'm really surprised that anyone thinks the 'investment' means investing in the team. It hasn't even been dressed up as that to any great degree.
I'm pretty confident they will keep us up. I'd imagine they would spend if they thought they had to to protect their asset. Don't see them trying to do much more that tick by until the golden ticket comes along though. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:38 - Jul 25 with 2697 views | jasper_T |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:01 - Jul 25 by jack247 |
I'm really surprised that anyone thinks the 'investment' means investing in the team. It hasn't even been dressed up as that to any great degree.
I'm pretty confident they will keep us up. I'd imagine they would spend if they thought they had to to protect their asset. Don't see them trying to do much more that tick by until the golden ticket comes along though. |
Has Huw made sure they know what relegation is? | | | |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:44 - Jul 25 with 2665 views | Flashberryjack |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:01 - Jul 25 by jack247 |
I'm really surprised that anyone thinks the 'investment' means investing in the team. It hasn't even been dressed up as that to any great degree.
I'm pretty confident they will keep us up. I'd imagine they would spend if they thought they had to to protect their asset. Don't see them trying to do much more that tick by until the golden ticket comes along though. |
They're "Taking us to the next level" mun |  |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:47 - Jul 25 with 2648 views | dobjack2 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:01 - Jul 25 by jack247 |
I'm really surprised that anyone thinks the 'investment' means investing in the team. It hasn't even been dressed up as that to any great degree.
I'm pretty confident they will keep us up. I'd imagine they would spend if they thought they had to to protect their asset. Don't see them trying to do much more that tick by until the golden ticket comes along though. |
This looks to be what they are trying to do - stay up with minimum investment.This transfer window could be a real eye opener for the happy clappers who were looking forward to the next level. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:58 - Jul 25 with 2568 views | pencoedjack |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 14:06 - Jul 25 by jack247 |
Me too. The investment is buying the shares. I don't think they have ever really promised to invest significantly in the team? Huw Jenkins may have said they have the means to, but I'm doubting the inclination.
As you say, the end goal is to sell us on at a fat profit. All they really need to do that is to keep us in the PL for a couple of years. |
Without a new quality striker keeping us in the PL next season looks a tall order |  | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:06 - Jul 25 with 2517 views | Tom1912 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:58 - Jul 25 by pencoedjack |
Without a new quality striker keeping us in the PL next season looks a tall order |
On the other hand, we finished 12th last season without a quality striker.... Obviously we know that's no guarantee it would happen next season, but you worry what conclusions they are drawing for themselves | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:12 - Jul 25 with 2479 views | monmouth |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:06 - Jul 25 by Tom1912 |
On the other hand, we finished 12th last season without a quality striker.... Obviously we know that's no guarantee it would happen next season, but you worry what conclusions they are drawing for themselves |
Never mind that, we were current form something like fifth with a false 9. Why is everyone so bloody pessimistic. No way are we going down even with no new players. I'd still like some mind you. |  |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:17 - Jul 25 with 2455 views | dobjack2 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:12 - Jul 25 by monmouth |
Never mind that, we were current form something like fifth with a false 9. Why is everyone so bloody pessimistic. No way are we going down even with no new players. I'd still like some mind you. |
Depends if we keep some of the ones that we've got.
Priority to keep Siggy and ayew otherwise we could collapse in a heap-already relegation favourites in some areas because of our lack of strikers movement out of the club may put off quality coming in. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:18 - Jul 25 with 2441 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:12 - Jul 25 by monmouth |
Never mind that, we were current form something like fifth with a false 9. Why is everyone so bloody pessimistic. No way are we going down even with no new players. I'd still like some mind you. |
Never satisfied, that's your problem.
We've got a Van der, a Van der no less and a 'keeper who's big down under.
What more could anyone want? | |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:22 - Jul 25 with 2411 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:47 - Jul 25 by dobjack2 |
This looks to be what they are trying to do - stay up with minimum investment.This transfer window could be a real eye opener for the happy clappers who were looking forward to the next level. |
This is why Jenkins was kept on. They see him as having "an eye for a bargain". Minimial investment, pick players up on the cheap, keep costs down, sell off our better players under value. Hope im horribly wrong. |  |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 17:12 - Jul 25 with 2224 views | icecoldjack |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 13:52 - Jul 25 by TheKirkyLife |
Despair not everyone. We can put that £13 million towards something important like, oh I don't know, a couple of strikers. |
That's fine but we should be doing that ad a minimum requirement anyway.
Most clubs sell strikers after they aquire the main target, we have offloaded paloschi, eder and gomis without a sniff of anyone coming in 19 days before the season starts.
Last season all the hype was about how doing business early is the way forward, this season the opposite is in force.
There seems to be no consistency in anything we are doing which adds to the frustration of many supporters. |  | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 17:26 - Jul 25 with 2131 views | Jango |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 17:12 - Jul 25 by icecoldjack |
That's fine but we should be doing that ad a minimum requirement anyway.
Most clubs sell strikers after they aquire the main target, we have offloaded paloschi, eder and gomis without a sniff of anyone coming in 19 days before the season starts.
Last season all the hype was about how doing business early is the way forward, this season the opposite is in force.
There seems to be no consistency in anything we are doing which adds to the frustration of many supporters. |
Last years transfer policy didn't do all that well to be fair tho. Maybe it's better to be patient knowing that with a fit first 11 that we currently have, we are still quite strong. Maybe they'll spring a few big surprises in the next few weeks and Allen will be a thing of the past, again. Hopefully anyway | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 17:29 - Jul 25 with 2104 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 16:12 - Jul 25 by monmouth |
Never mind that, we were current form something like fifth with a false 9. Why is everyone so bloody pessimistic. No way are we going down even with no new players. I'd still like some mind you. |
Rangel and Britton were already on the edge last season - We wasted a sub every game because Rangel couldn't last 90 minutes, and I'm afraid Leon is not the player he was.
They are another year older.
We've shipped out (or are about to) our 3 forwards.
We've signed a replacement for Bartley (at I suspect little net cost when you look at the loan fee we'll have got), Fer takes his own position (as the replacement for JJS) so a net outlay of perhaps £5m on those two, and received in about £9m from Paloschi and Eder, plus saving tens of thousands with Gomis. Fine - Ayew can be one of the front players, but then we've removed him as a wide player (and brought Dyer back).
Imagine if in the first week of September Ayew gets injured. And Ki gets injured at some point. Who's on the bench?
Our squad has some serious weaknesses. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 18:59 - Jul 25 with 1757 views | jack247 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 15:58 - Jul 25 by pencoedjack |
Without a new quality striker keeping us in the PL next season looks a tall order |
I would think we will be ok. We have weak areas, but I'd imagine Gylfi behind Ayew with two narrow wingers will get us goals. We are in trouble if either of them get injured of course.
There will be weaker teams than us, albeit with recognised strikers.
I think the squad we have as it is is good enough to stay up and not a lot more. Massive gamble if we start the season just aiming to avoid relegation though. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 19:02 - Jul 25 with 1738 views | plasjack |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 17:29 - Jul 25 by londonlisa2001 |
Rangel and Britton were already on the edge last season - We wasted a sub every game because Rangel couldn't last 90 minutes, and I'm afraid Leon is not the player he was.
They are another year older.
We've shipped out (or are about to) our 3 forwards.
We've signed a replacement for Bartley (at I suspect little net cost when you look at the loan fee we'll have got), Fer takes his own position (as the replacement for JJS) so a net outlay of perhaps £5m on those two, and received in about £9m from Paloschi and Eder, plus saving tens of thousands with Gomis. Fine - Ayew can be one of the front players, but then we've removed him as a wide player (and brought Dyer back).
Imagine if in the first week of September Ayew gets injured. And Ki gets injured at some point. Who's on the bench?
Our squad has some serious weaknesses. |
Lets look on the bright side, parachute payments have increased in line with the new TV deal. |  | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 19:20 - Jul 25 with 1641 views | dobjack2 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 18:59 - Jul 25 by jack247 |
I would think we will be ok. We have weak areas, but I'd imagine Gylfi behind Ayew with two narrow wingers will get us goals. We are in trouble if either of them get injured of course.
There will be weaker teams than us, albeit with recognised strikers.
I think the squad we have as it is is good enough to stay up and not a lot more. Massive gamble if we start the season just aiming to avoid relegation though. |
Not much in the way of goals in the rest of the team though. | | | |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 19:33 - Jul 25 with 1554 views | FearOfAJackPlanet |
Always liked Joe as a player, but come on, £13 million for a player in the final year of his deal who isn't wanted by his club?...........inflated market or not..
Central midfield is not an area we're desperate to strengthen either.
If we gazumped them and he signed, I'd not be unhappy due to how much I rate him, but equally, I can see why we've balked at matching Stoke.
People can get too fixed on a player - a month or so ago Joe was hardly on people's radar, and suddenly we're relegated to the Evostick league if we don't sign him whatever the cost.... |  |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 19:39 - Jul 25 with 1513 views | max936 |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 19:33 - Jul 25 by FearOfAJackPlanet |
Always liked Joe as a player, but come on, £13 million for a player in the final year of his deal who isn't wanted by his club?...........inflated market or not..
Central midfield is not an area we're desperate to strengthen either.
If we gazumped them and he signed, I'd not be unhappy due to how much I rate him, but equally, I can see why we've balked at matching Stoke.
People can get too fixed on a player - a month or so ago Joe was hardly on people's radar, and suddenly we're relegated to the Evostick league if we don't sign him whatever the cost.... |
Team needs strengthening not just in the attacking areas, right back area maybe left back as well winger needed and two strikers, but it doesn't look like anything is gonna be done, we'll probably get a loanee or two in and HRK and that'll be it. |  |
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| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 19:41 - Jul 25 with 1484 views | plasjack |
| Joe Allen to Stoke? on 19:39 - Jul 25 by max936 |
Team needs strengthening not just in the attacking areas, right back area maybe left back as well winger needed and two strikers, but it doesn't look like anything is gonna be done, we'll probably get a loanee or two in and HRK and that'll be it. |
HRK thought he was going too Hull. | | | |
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