| What been occuring ?????????????? 13:30 - Feb 24 with 21292 views | 2bluehoops |
Just seen sommat on news about disturbances in Rochdale regarding the daki child sex scandal whatsit,any info ? |  | | |  |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 12:20 - Feb 27 with 1549 views | MoonyDale |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 10:41 - Feb 27 by HK_Dale |
I don't dispute that some people may have known but my point is that the entire Asian community in rochdale and heywood is not culpable for the actions of a very small minority of people. |
I think the point that was being made was that if some members of the community knew what was going on, then why did no-one from that community come forward with information? it would be inconceivable to think that no-one knew seeing that over 50 men were involved, some of those involved who have yet to be caught or even identified would have been on the periphery of these hideous deeds, now as you say to blame the whole community is quite clearly ridiculous, it still leaves the question as to why no-one came forward at the time and why the police are still struggling to bring the others to justice...Could it be that lack of information is holding the investigation back? |  |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 12:23 - Feb 27 with 1543 views | D_Alien |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 12:20 - Feb 27 by MoonyDale |
I think the point that was being made was that if some members of the community knew what was going on, then why did no-one from that community come forward with information? it would be inconceivable to think that no-one knew seeing that over 50 men were involved, some of those involved who have yet to be caught or even identified would have been on the periphery of these hideous deeds, now as you say to blame the whole community is quite clearly ridiculous, it still leaves the question as to why no-one came forward at the time and why the police are still struggling to bring the others to justice...Could it be that lack of information is holding the investigation back? |
Because if it led to a prosecution, they'd be required to give evidence in court, and they wouldn't be alive 24 hours later |  |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:16 - Feb 27 with 1485 views | MoonyDale |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 12:23 - Feb 27 by D_Alien |
Because if it led to a prosecution, they'd be required to give evidence in court, and they wouldn't be alive 24 hours later |
A truer word never spoken... | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:25 - Feb 27 with 1477 views | maybee |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 12:23 - Feb 27 by D_Alien |
Because if it led to a prosecution, they'd be required to give evidence in court, and they wouldn't be alive 24 hours later |
That doesn't excuse the Police though... One of the first alledged victims reported the crime to the police in 2008 or 9. Despite her giving names/descriptions and venues, the police chose to take no action.
Only when other victims reported the same names/venues etc to police years later, did they investigate.
It could be argued that this original decision by the police has in effect given the green light for dozens (if not hundreds) of other Asian mento behave in the same way.
I hope that action is taken against whoever took this decision within the Police force should those on trial be found guilty. |  | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:30 - Feb 27 with 1466 views | BigKindo |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:25 - Feb 27 by maybee |
That doesn't excuse the Police though... One of the first alledged victims reported the crime to the police in 2008 or 9. Despite her giving names/descriptions and venues, the police chose to take no action.
Only when other victims reported the same names/venues etc to police years later, did they investigate.
It could be argued that this original decision by the police has in effect given the green light for dozens (if not hundreds) of other Asian mento behave in the same way.
I hope that action is taken against whoever took this decision within the Police force should those on trial be found guilty. |
........and social services? |  | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:32 - Feb 27 with 1462 views | firgrovedale51 |
Why were the girls white girls ,why did they not use there own Asian girls? | | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:36 - Feb 27 with 1454 views | 2bluehoops |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:32 - Feb 27 by firgrovedale51 |
Why were the girls white girls ,why did they not use there own Asian girls? |
Thats a fair point. | | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:43 - Feb 27 with 1444 views | SuddenLad |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:25 - Feb 27 by maybee |
That doesn't excuse the Police though... One of the first alledged victims reported the crime to the police in 2008 or 9. Despite her giving names/descriptions and venues, the police chose to take no action.
Only when other victims reported the same names/venues etc to police years later, did they investigate.
It could be argued that this original decision by the police has in effect given the green light for dozens (if not hundreds) of other Asian mento behave in the same way.
I hope that action is taken against whoever took this decision within the Police force should those on trial be found guilty. |
I think you'll find that any decision to take these people to court is made by the Crown Prosecution Service, not the Police.
Without sufficient evidence, it simply won't, and shouldn't, happen. Allegations of sexual offences will almost inevitably require corroborative and additional scientific evidence.
Sexual offences are very easy to allege, very difficult to prove, but also very difficult to disprove. Rarely, if ever, will a prosecution follow where there is merely an allegation that an offence took place. Reporting the assault as soon as is possible after the event is vital for a realistic chance of prosecution.
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:51 - Feb 27 with 1439 views | 2bluehoops |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:43 - Feb 27 by SuddenLad |
I think you'll find that any decision to take these people to court is made by the Crown Prosecution Service, not the Police.
Without sufficient evidence, it simply won't, and shouldn't, happen. Allegations of sexual offences will almost inevitably require corroborative and additional scientific evidence.
Sexual offences are very easy to allege, very difficult to prove, but also very difficult to disprove. Rarely, if ever, will a prosecution follow where there is merely an allegation that an offence took place. Reporting the assault as soon as is possible after the event is vital for a realistic chance of prosecution.
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When the police want a result,they will and have had successful prosecutions by hook or by crook without evidence. | | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:57 - Feb 27 with 1427 views | DorsetDale |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:30 - Feb 27 by BigKindo |
........and social services? |
Indeed Bigkindo.
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:00 - Feb 27 with 1414 views | SuddenLad |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:51 - Feb 27 by 2bluehoops |
When the police want a result,they will and have had successful prosecutions by hook or by crook without evidence. |
and with that utterly ridiculous reply, you have lost all credibility for anything you have already said.
You obviously read too many comics and watch too much 1970's American television. | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:09 - Feb 27 with 1407 views | D_Alien |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:32 - Feb 27 by firgrovedale51 |
Why were the girls white girls ,why did they not use there own Asian girls? |
Haven't you read anything I've posted on this thread?
I despair sometimes. And maybe the police are just as dense as the average poster on here | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:17 - Feb 27 with 1392 views | DorsetDale |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:00 - Feb 27 by SuddenLad |
and with that utterly ridiculous reply, you have lost all credibility for anything you have already said.
You obviously read too many comics and watch too much 1970's American television. |
Don't want to get Col in trouble so decided to edit [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:23 - Feb 27 with 1391 views | SuddenLad |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:32 - Feb 27 by firgrovedale51 |
Why were the girls white girls ,why did they not use there own Asian girls? |
Talk about missing the point.................  | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:26 - Feb 27 with 1385 views | DorsetDale |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:09 - Feb 27 by D_Alien |
Haven't you read anything I've posted on this thread?
I despair sometimes. And maybe the police are just as dense as the average poster on here |
The police are pretty dense and malleable. They do as their masters tell them. | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 14:56 - Feb 27 with 1367 views | judd |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:32 - Feb 27 by firgrovedale51 |
Why were the girls white girls ,why did they not use there own Asian girls? |
I know for a fact that they are grooming Asian bints and will be banging them in an upstairs room at another takeaway - Burkha King. |  |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 15:09 - Feb 27 with 1362 views | Sandyman |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 07:47 - Feb 27 by JumeirahDale |
Have you read it? Or are you basing that on Call of Duty: Modern Warfare?
2bluehoops - if you haven't had a read of the Koran, I'd genuinely encourage you to do so. If you can do that and still spout your ill informed bile then fair enough, but don't base your entire understanding of the Muslim faith on 11 individuals on trial in Rochdale. |
I've read it. It is evil and bases slavish obedience to it on fear and hate. It might have been passable in the 7th century, but the so called received word of God, as passed on to an illiterate shepherd by an angel (as if) is absolutely unconvincing now. |  | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 15:56 - Feb 27 with 1327 views | judd |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 15:09 - Feb 27 by Sandyman |
I've read it. It is evil and bases slavish obedience to it on fear and hate. It might have been passable in the 7th century, but the so called received word of God, as passed on to an illiterate shepherd by an angel (as if) is absolutely unconvincing now. |
The Angel Asif?
I thought it was Jibril, who took 23 years to recount the story, the boring fookin' get. | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 16:06 - Feb 27 with 1320 views | D_Alien |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 15:56 - Feb 27 by judd |
The Angel Asif?
I thought it was Jibril, who took 23 years to recount the story, the boring fookin' get. |
He has to find something to do between his rare appearances for QPR | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 16:54 - Feb 27 with 1284 views | SFD |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 13:30 - Feb 27 by BigKindo |
........and social services? |
This has absolutely nothing to do with Social Services, they would only become involved if the said young people were in care or the families had been given a designated social worker should the child/children have been identified as being at risk and open to neglect, physical, sexual or emotional abuse at home.
Social Services are an easy scapegoat to some people. |  | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 17:06 - Feb 27 with 1265 views | BigKindo |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 16:54 - Feb 27 by SFD |
This has absolutely nothing to do with Social Services, they would only become involved if the said young people were in care or the families had been given a designated social worker should the child/children have been identified as being at risk and open to neglect, physical, sexual or emotional abuse at home.
Social Services are an easy scapegoat to some people. |
And who is to say that these 5 young girls were not already in the care of Social Services? | | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 17:26 - Feb 27 with 1249 views | DorsetDale |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 16:54 - Feb 27 by SFD |
This has absolutely nothing to do with Social Services, they would only become involved if the said young people were in care or the families had been given a designated social worker should the child/children have been identified as being at risk and open to neglect, physical, sexual or emotional abuse at home.
Social Services are an easy scapegoat to some people. |
This is how it should work SFD but not always the case. I googled this story and one report CLAIMED at least one of the girls was in local authority care at the time abuse occurrred.
I've always been someone that held social services up as one of the few shining lights in "the system".
Unfortunately, factual evidence gained from research does not point to my assumptions being correct. | |
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 18:41 - Feb 27 with 1201 views | dalenumber2 |
This thread is becoming more and more depressing. Some people need to take a good hard look at themselves before attacking 1) All Asians 2) The Police 3) The Social Services 4) The Qur'an . Try presenting a more balanced view!
By the way no-one has had a pop at teachers yet - are they not to blame for any of this?
I am not surprised we have trouble attracting Asian supporters to Spotland if they think these are our views. What depresses me most in all this is is that it has given those racists amongst us an excuse to rear their ugly heads. As I said, depressing.
This thread wouldn't exist had the alleged criminals been white.
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| What been occuring ?????????????? on 18:56 - Feb 27 with 1186 views | topoff |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 18:41 - Feb 27 by dalenumber2 |
This thread is becoming more and more depressing. Some people need to take a good hard look at themselves before attacking 1) All Asians 2) The Police 3) The Social Services 4) The Qur'an . Try presenting a more balanced view!
By the way no-one has had a pop at teachers yet - are they not to blame for any of this?
I am not surprised we have trouble attracting Asian supporters to Spotland if they think these are our views. What depresses me most in all this is is that it has given those racists amongst us an excuse to rear their ugly heads. As I said, depressing.
This thread wouldn't exist had the alleged criminals been white.
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And if the alleged criminals would have been of white origin the whole case would have been long over by now with them being given life sentences.The racism card is easily played when in order not to insult our muslim friends we tend to tippytoe round the whole issue in order not to branded racist. | | | |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 19:15 - Feb 27 with 1169 views | DorsetDale |
| What been occuring ?????????????? on 18:41 - Feb 27 by dalenumber2 |
This thread is becoming more and more depressing. Some people need to take a good hard look at themselves before attacking 1) All Asians 2) The Police 3) The Social Services 4) The Qur'an . Try presenting a more balanced view!
By the way no-one has had a pop at teachers yet - are they not to blame for any of this?
I am not surprised we have trouble attracting Asian supporters to Spotland if they think these are our views. What depresses me most in all this is is that it has given those racists amongst us an excuse to rear their ugly heads. As I said, depressing.
This thread wouldn't exist had the alleged criminals been white.
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Are you saying that those in authority act in accordance with the law at all times? Nowhere in this thread have I stated anything that is false or without evidence. | |
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