| Is this the start of a kick back on 22:31 - Feb 17 with 4821 views | SullutaCreturned |
It is utter madness to be making farmers worse off (and to be planting trees on perfectly good farmland) at a time when we are encouraged to eat less meat. That's before we get to the cost of living crisis and the high food prices.
We need more farmers, we need more crops. Plant trees on land not suitable for crop farming. Stop pushing hard working farmers towards bankruptcy. |  | |  |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 07:35 - Feb 18 with 4786 views | PawelAbbott |
The Senedd is one, long stream of insane ideas.
The sooner Welsh Labour are booted out and the don't see themselves as undefeatable, the better | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 07:54 - Feb 18 with 4772 views | Whiterockin |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 07:35 - Feb 18 by PawelAbbott |
The Senedd is one, long stream of insane ideas.
The sooner Welsh Labour are booted out and the don't see themselves as undefeatable, the better |
But what is the alternative. Conservative no, Plaid no the only sensible alternative is independent AMs representing their constituency and the benefit of Wales as a whole. Its never going to happen under the new Senedd set up because Labour have made it unachievable without a consultation with the people of Wales. |  | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 08:29 - Feb 18 with 4745 views | PawelAbbott |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 07:54 - Feb 18 by Whiterockin |
But what is the alternative. Conservative no, Plaid no the only sensible alternative is independent AMs representing their constituency and the benefit of Wales as a whole. Its never going to happen under the new Senedd set up because Labour have made it unachievable without a consultation with the people of Wales. |
The only viable alternative would be a new party with the word Labour in its title.
"Labour Cymru" or something.
In terms of land area, most of Wales voted Conservative or Plaid. It's South Wales and the Valleys that supported Drakeford. Put the word Labour in there and they'll vote for it | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 08:32 - Feb 18 with 4741 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 22:31 - Feb 17 by SullutaCreturned |
It is utter madness to be making farmers worse off (and to be planting trees on perfectly good farmland) at a time when we are encouraged to eat less meat. That's before we get to the cost of living crisis and the high food prices.
We need more farmers, we need more crops. Plant trees on land not suitable for crop farming. Stop pushing hard working farmers towards bankruptcy. |
Stupidity. |  |
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 14:42 - Feb 18 with 4647 views | JumpingJackFlash |
There's enough forestry in Wales already. We're more than pulling our weight on that score. | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 15:14 - Feb 18 with 4628 views | PawelAbbott |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 14:42 - Feb 18 by JumpingJackFlash |
There's enough forestry in Wales already. We're more than pulling our weight on that score. |
There's also thousands of hectares of land covered in bracken that they could reforestation at no loss to anyone | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 15:21 - Feb 18 with 4619 views | YrAlarch |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 15:14 - Feb 18 by PawelAbbott |
There's also thousands of hectares of land covered in bracken that they could reforestation at no loss to anyone |
Not easy to grow trees because of the toxicity of the soil even after bracken removed. | | | |
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 15:53 - Feb 18 with 4592 views | JumpingJackFlash |
Woodland area by percentage:
Scotland. 19%
Wales. 15%
England. 10%
NI. 9% | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 16:53 - Feb 18 with 4553 views | BryanSwan |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 07:54 - Feb 18 by Whiterockin |
But what is the alternative. Conservative no, Plaid no the only sensible alternative is independent AMs representing their constituency and the benefit of Wales as a whole. Its never going to happen under the new Senedd set up because Labour have made it unachievable without a consultation with the people of Wales. |
Spot on there and I'd say we have the same issue at UK level two. Two big parties neither of which really have much intention of improving things for the people. | |
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 18:45 - Feb 18 with 4507 views | BarrySwan |
A farmer friend of mine mentioned that Cardiff Bays edict would mean him taking 50 acres of his land out of food production and him having to plant trees on the land.
At the same time the parish council down the Bay has got an application in to build almost 600 houses on its own prime farm land in the area.
Hypocrisy and lunacy are two words that spring to mind.
One would have to wonder how the rest of us and the occupants of all these new houses built on current farm land are to be fed after the houses are built on green sites and other farms have to lose 10% of their previous crop producing land. [Post edited 18 Feb 18:49]
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 20:40 - Feb 18 with 4426 views | SullutaCreturned |
Even Australia with a third of the population of the UK puts out more CO2 than we do.
if our emissions went up by 10% that'd be 1.103% but if China's went up by 5% the increase alone would be more than the entire Uk put out at 1.459%.
What this country is doing is insane and we need to remember, those are UK numbers, what is Wales CO2 output? Possibly around 0.2% of the word total. What Wales is doing literally makes no impact on anything other than working peoples wallets. | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 08:13 - Feb 19 with 4352 views | Boundy |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 15:21 - Feb 18 by YrAlarch |
Not easy to grow trees because of the toxicity of the soil even after bracken removed. |
You grow trees suitable to the ground conditions , take a look at the lower Swansea valley for example , in the 60's not a tree stood in hundreds of thousands of acres due to the poisonous substances left behind after the industrial revolution .
Birch trees ( in which we have an abundance of) thrive everywhere , certainly along railway lines because of the abundance of ballast along the route. | |
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 08:18 - Feb 19 with 4347 views | Boundy |
I think you'll find that the vast majority of those trees were on Forestry commission land , trees specifically grown for commercial use and would have been cut anyway , once the turbines are built the trees cut are replaced, albeit strategically due to the needs of the wind farm .
All the wind farms I've worked on across the UK are either on Forestry commission land or private land atop hills where no trees had previously existed | |
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 11:10 - Feb 19 with 4312 views | Scotia |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 08:18 - Feb 19 by Boundy |
I think you'll find that the vast majority of those trees were on Forestry commission land , trees specifically grown for commercial use and would have been cut anyway , once the turbines are built the trees cut are replaced, albeit strategically due to the needs of the wind farm .
All the wind farms I've worked on across the UK are either on Forestry commission land or private land atop hills where no trees had previously existed |
Yep. Pretty much every wind farm is on commercial foresty land - basically trees that shouldn't be there in the first place.
Now destroying peat to make way for wind farms on the other hand............... | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 11:23 - Feb 19 with 4307 views | Scotia |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 18:45 - Feb 18 by BarrySwan |
A farmer friend of mine mentioned that Cardiff Bays edict would mean him taking 50 acres of his land out of food production and him having to plant trees on the land.
At the same time the parish council down the Bay has got an application in to build almost 600 houses on its own prime farm land in the area.
Hypocrisy and lunacy are two words that spring to mind.
One would have to wonder how the rest of us and the occupants of all these new houses built on current farm land are to be fed after the houses are built on green sites and other farms have to lose 10% of their previous crop producing land. [Post edited 18 Feb 18:49]
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It depends on the type of agriculture.
50 acres could mean just 250 sheep or 25 Dairy cows at usual stocking densities.
Most agriculture in Wales is in Least Favroured Areas, that aren't suitable for concentrated food production. Which is why we have so many sheep and cattle farms.
Traditional broad leave forestry is arguable a better land use. | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 12:32 - Feb 19 with 4275 views | Boundy |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 11:10 - Feb 19 by Scotia |
Yep. Pretty much every wind farm is on commercial foresty land - basically trees that shouldn't be there in the first place.
Now destroying peat to make way for wind farms on the other hand............... |
I think you'll find that for a commercial wind farm ,stringent environmental plans have to be developed and adhered to, these have to be presented to the local council and site visits by their environmental team are a regular occurrence. | |
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 13:10 - Feb 19 with 4250 views | builthjack |
Should farmers continue to receive handouts from the Government ?
They get given a lot of handouts. For various schemes, they have had money given to them over the last couple of years for concreting yards, new feed bins, hedging, solar panels, habitat, woodland, horticulture, to name just a few.
Not forgetting the single farm payment.
A mate of mine, who is honest, had almost £130,000 of free handouts last year.
I wish i was a farmer. I wouldnt moan about being given freebies. |  |
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| Is this the start of a kick back on 14:18 - Feb 19 with 4224 views | Scotia |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 12:32 - Feb 19 by Boundy |
I think you'll find that for a commercial wind farm ,stringent environmental plans have to be developed and adhered to, these have to be presented to the local council and site visits by their environmental team are a regular occurrence. |
Yes that's correct. That is why people who claim windfarms harm birds/insects/ bats etc are barking up the wrong tree. Peat is often completely overlooked by all of those.
WG is finally waking up.
https://nation.cymru/news/welsh-government-department-says-energy-park-would-dam | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 14:21 - Feb 19 with 4220 views | Scotia |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 13:10 - Feb 19 by builthjack |
Should farmers continue to receive handouts from the Government ?
They get given a lot of handouts. For various schemes, they have had money given to them over the last couple of years for concreting yards, new feed bins, hedging, solar panels, habitat, woodland, horticulture, to name just a few.
Not forgetting the single farm payment.
A mate of mine, who is honest, had almost £130,000 of free handouts last year.
I wish i was a farmer. I wouldnt moan about being given freebies. |
The alternative is paying an awful lot more for our food. | | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 14:38 - Feb 19 with 4207 views | hobo |
These emissions targets have absolutely nothing to do with the climate - it's just a very useful vehicle to enforce them and gain more and more control.
They've started with cars (ulez etc), now they're slowly going after the food supply (with the end goal that we can only get food from the govt). Our houses will eventually be in the firing line as well (meet certain expensive emissions targets or bee fined + eventually lose your house) |  | | |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 14:42 - Feb 19 with 4202 views | Scotia |
| Is this the start of a kick back on 14:38 - Feb 19 by hobo |
These emissions targets have absolutely nothing to do with the climate - it's just a very useful vehicle to enforce them and gain more and more control.
They've started with cars (ulez etc), now they're slowly going after the food supply (with the end goal that we can only get food from the govt). Our houses will eventually be in the firing line as well (meet certain expensive emissions targets or bee fined + eventually lose your house) |
And Welsh Government are doing this by objecting to wind Farms in Wales? | | | |
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