| London yesterday. 19:23 - Sep 15 with 1476 views | Lohengrin |
Gwyn on the pomp and circumstance thread was quoting Doug Stanhope, those on the left have been doing that a lot online recently; now I’m not accusing Gwyn of such ignorance, but I don’t know how many of them realise it was part of a drink and cocaine fuelled comedy skit?
I’d like to offer a counter-quote from Bowden that was borne out all around me on the streets of central London yesterday, it is the sentiment Orwell was groping toward in his essay ‘The Lion and the Unicorn,’ but Bowden manages to convey it in one easily remembered aphorism: “Patriotism is the one true socialism in that it holds people together in their difference.”
That is what I saw played out. I was outside The Red Lion on the corner of Parliament Street and Derby Gate yesterday as the gun carriage bearing the coffin of HM went by. Stood immediately around me were people of all ages, all backgrounds and all income brackets. A few of the thousands of ex-servicemen who descended on SW1, a couple of members of The House of Lords immaculately dressed bearing ID lanyards, four elderly Caribbean ladies dressed in their Church best waving Union Flags and a family from Belfast who had made it over with the aid of a loan from ‘the Pru,’ as “we won’t see a day like this again in our lifetime.”
Unity of purpose from people who had nothing otherwise in common. There are precious few things in this world can engender that.
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| London yesterday. on 19:42 - Sep 15 with 1422 views | Gwyn737 |
You’re right Loh about me knowing where it came from.
Spoken under the influence or nut the sentiment stands for me.
The distinction between patriotism and nationalism is an important one. |  | | |
| London yesterday. on 19:56 - Sep 15 with 1410 views | Lohengrin |
| London yesterday. on 19:42 - Sep 15 by Gwyn737 |
You’re right Loh about me knowing where it came from.
Spoken under the influence or nut the sentiment stands for me.
The distinction between patriotism and nationalism is an important one. |
A Nationalist is simply one who accepts the Idea of the Nation. In western terms that was a concept that found its first political embrace on the left, and let’s be honest, a sentiment embraced by most of humanity. The need to feel a sense of belonging is very human.
The problems begin, as with any other emotional yearning, when things are taken to the extreme. | |
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| London yesterday. on 20:04 - Sep 15 with 1400 views | Gwyn737 |
| London yesterday. on 19:56 - Sep 15 by Lohengrin |
A Nationalist is simply one who accepts the Idea of the Nation. In western terms that was a concept that found its first political embrace on the left, and let’s be honest, a sentiment embraced by most of humanity. The need to feel a sense of belonging is very human.
The problems begin, as with any other emotional yearning, when things are taken to the extreme. |
Originally maybe, but for me nationalism has taken on further connotations. | | | |
| London yesterday. on 20:09 - Sep 15 with 1390 views | Lohengrin |
| London yesterday. on 20:04 - Sep 15 by Gwyn737 |
Originally maybe, but for me nationalism has taken on further connotations. |
An Idea isn’t responsible for those that believe in it. | |
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| London yesterday. on 20:14 - Sep 15 with 1380 views | Gwyn737 |
| London yesterday. on 20:09 - Sep 15 by Lohengrin |
An Idea isn’t responsible for those that believe in it. |
Doesn’t mean it’s right though 😉 | | | |
| London yesterday. on 20:16 - Sep 15 with 1378 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| London yesterday. on 20:09 - Sep 15 by Lohengrin |
An Idea isn’t responsible for those that believe in it. |
That would be a good signature. |  |
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| London yesterday. on 20:26 - Sep 15 with 1370 views | Lohengrin |
I wish I’d thought of that.  | |
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| London yesterday. on 20:34 - Sep 15 with 1358 views | Kilkennyjack |
Over the years i have met all sorts of people following the Swans.
Without the Swans in common, we may never have met.
Probably true of football fans in general. [Post edited 15 Sep 2022 20:36]
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| London yesterday. on 21:37 - Sep 15 with 1297 views | Sirjohnalot |
| London yesterday. on 20:04 - Sep 15 by Gwyn737 |
Originally maybe, but for me nationalism has taken on further connotations. |
Re all that stuff, does it get diluted through circumstances? I’m in my early 40 and have lived in England longer than I loved in Wales and married and English woman. Other than sport, do I feel an particular affinity with Wales ? Not really thought about it. Not sure how you can be proud of being born somewhere which was pure chance . I’ve no particular desire to move back but I still call it home, probably because my mum and dad live there.
I think it’s more a case of good fortune that I was born in the UK or one of the richer countries in Europe. I’d have probably been just as fortunate to have been French or (recent ) German.
Not sure if I’d have thought differently had I never left Wales though I’m glad I did simply to see other places |  | | |
| London yesterday. on 21:58 - Sep 15 with 1283 views | Catullus |
| London yesterday. on 20:09 - Sep 15 by Lohengrin |
An Idea isn’t responsible for those that believe in it. |
But those that believe in it are resonsible for their own actions.
For what its worth, as an openly anti monarchist if I had been in London I would have been with everyone else, stopped in silence, respecting the cortege as it went by.
Not believing in Royalty is one thing and completely different to knowing that the Queen was an incredible woman who dedicated her life to serving the country. She was the best of them and the world won't be the same without her. | |
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