| Remain Parties on 11:01 - Nov 7 with 2546 views | Highjack |
It’s just a farce. They should all join together and form one party, they pretty much agree on everything anyway. |  |
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| Remain Parties on 11:09 - Nov 7 with 2536 views | Vincent_Vega |
It shows the mentality of these whoopsies when they show the same tactics and approach as pupils at Waun Wen Primary. |  |
| Boycott Shampoo......Demand Real Poo!!! |
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| Remain Parties on 12:38 - Nov 7 with 2513 views | JackSomething |
| Remain Parties on 11:09 - Nov 7 by Vincent_Vega |
It shows the mentality of these whoopsies when they show the same tactics and approach as pupils at Waun Wen Primary. |
To be fair, some of the pupils at Waun Wen Primary would probably do a lot better than many of our options at the election. |  |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| Remain Parties on 13:03 - Nov 7 with 2494 views | LeonWasGod |
It's all getting a bit messy. Wouldn't it be nice to just vote for someone whose policies you like the sound of, and for that vote to actually matter. Dream on. |  | | |
| Remain Parties on 13:10 - Nov 7 with 2482 views | Highjack |
| Remain Parties on 13:03 - Nov 7 by LeonWasGod |
It's all getting a bit messy. Wouldn't it be nice to just vote for someone whose policies you like the sound of, and for that vote to actually matter. Dream on. |
Pffft. That sounds like heretical madness that only a drug addled fool would endorse. | |
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| Remain Parties on 13:35 - Nov 7 with 2475 views | Lohengrin |
| Remain Parties on 13:10 - Nov 7 by Highjack |
Pffft. That sounds like heretical madness that only a drug addled fool would endorse. |
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| Remain Parties on 15:40 - Nov 7 with 2431 views | Pegojack |
| Remain Parties on 13:03 - Nov 7 by LeonWasGod |
It's all getting a bit messy. Wouldn't it be nice to just vote for someone whose policies you like the sound of, and for that vote to actually matter. Dream on. |
It's called proportional representation, and it'll never happen in Britain, stuck as it is, somewhere in the 19th century. |  | | |
| Remain Parties on 16:37 - Nov 7 with 2401 views | Batterseajack |
| Remain Parties on 15:40 - Nov 7 by Pegojack |
It's called proportional representation, and it'll never happen in Britain, stuck as it is, somewhere in the 19th century. |
We had a vote on this in 2011 and the public overwhelmingly (67.9%) in favor of first past the post. |  | | |
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| Remain Parties on 17:11 - Nov 7 with 2362 views | Flashberryjack |
| Remain Parties on 16:37 - Nov 7 by Batterseajack |
We had a vote on this in 2011 and the public overwhelmingly (67.9%) in favor of first past the post. |
They were lied to and didn't know what they were voting for, f*ckwits. |  |
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| Remain Parties on 17:29 - Nov 7 with 2342 views | jojaca |
| Remain Parties on 17:11 - Nov 7 by Flashberryjack |
They were lied to and didn't know what they were voting for, f*ckwits. |
This is a 2nd referendum under a different name. This is going to be the fix of all fixes. |  |
| Even when you know, you never know? |
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| Remain Parties on 18:22 - Nov 7 with 2307 views | Pegojack |
| Remain Parties on 16:37 - Nov 7 by Batterseajack |
We had a vote on this in 2011 and the public overwhelmingly (67.9%) in favor of first past the post. |
I beg to differ. It was NOT a vote on PR, it was a referendum on the AV system v FPTP. The AV system was another way of finding a winning candidate in the existing constituencies. A kind of FPTP lite, if you will.
The PR system, as it works in Spain for example, is fundamentally different. There are 350 seats up for grabs in parliament. Each political party lists 350 candidates ranked in order from 1 to 350. Every voter in the national general election votes for one party. Then each party ends up with MPs in parliament in proportion to their share of the national vote. So as a simple example, if a party won 50% of the votes, they would end up with 175 MPs - the first 175 candidates on their list of 350.
These MPs don't represent a geographic constituency, those kinds of constituency don't exist. What DOES exist, which makes up for the lack of constituencies, is a very strong second level of government on a regional level. There are also political parties which represent specific 'ethnic' areas akin to Plaid and the SNP.
OK, the PR system is not perfect. In fact Spain is just about to go to the polls for the second time this year because the parties on the left which held the majority of the seats couldn't come to an agreement about a coalition government. But, by and large, the system by its nature forces compromise, negotiation and consensual politics. It stops lurches from one extreme to another and tends to keep extremists out of power or at least with little influence.
It is what the UK desperately needs, and it'll never happen. [Post edited 7 Nov 2019 19:35]
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| Remain Parties on 18:43 - Nov 7 with 2295 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Remain Parties on 15:40 - Nov 7 by Pegojack |
It's called proportional representation, and it'll never happen in Britain, stuck as it is, somewhere in the 19th century. |
The people voted agains an alternative voting referendum in 2011.
For 32.1%
Against 67.9%
Is this another democratic result that some want to ignore. | |
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| Remain Parties on 18:47 - Nov 7 with 2289 views | Pegojack |
| Remain Parties on 18:43 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack |
The people voted agains an alternative voting referendum in 2011.
For 32.1%
Against 67.9%
Is this another democratic result that some want to ignore. |
Please read my post above. | | | |
| Remain Parties on 18:54 - Nov 7 with 2280 views | felixstowe_jack |
I did the people decided to reject it. | |
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| Remain Parties on 19:02 - Nov 7 with 2269 views | Fireboy2 |
| Remain Parties on 18:22 - Nov 7 by Pegojack |
I beg to differ. It was NOT a vote on PR, it was a referendum on the AV system v FPTP. The AV system was another way of finding a winning candidate in the existing constituencies. A kind of FPTP lite, if you will.
The PR system, as it works in Spain for example, is fundamentally different. There are 350 seats up for grabs in parliament. Each political party lists 350 candidates ranked in order from 1 to 350. Every voter in the national general election votes for one party. Then each party ends up with MPs in parliament in proportion to their share of the national vote. So as a simple example, if a party won 50% of the votes, they would end up with 175 MPs - the first 175 candidates on their list of 350.
These MPs don't represent a geographic constituency, those kinds of constituency don't exist. What DOES exist, which makes up for the lack of constituencies, is a very strong second level of government on a regional level. There are also political parties which represent specific 'ethnic' areas akin to Plaid and the SNP.
OK, the PR system is not perfect. In fact Spain is just about to go to the polls for the second time this year because the parties on the left which held the majority of the seats couldn't come to an agreement about a coalition government. But, by and large, the system by its nature forces compromise, negotiation and consensual politics. It stops lurches from one extreme to another and tends to keep extremists out of power or at least with little influence.
It is what the UK desperately needs, and it'll never happen. [Post edited 7 Nov 2019 19:35]
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It will never happen because of the establishment, they want to keep us in our place. |  | | |
| Remain Parties on 19:03 - Nov 7 with 2264 views | longlostjack |
| Remain Parties on 18:54 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack |
I did the people decided to reject it. |
Well that's that then. Written in stone for ever. The people spoke. |  |
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| Remain Parties on 19:03 - Nov 7 with 2263 views | Pegojack |
| Remain Parties on 18:54 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack |
I did the people decided to reject it. |
Are you being deliberately obtuse? They didn't reject PR, they didn't vote on it.
Don't bother answering my question, by the way, we know where you stand. | | | |
| Remain Parties on 19:03 - Nov 7 with 2263 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Remain Parties on 19:02 - Nov 7 by Fireboy2 |
It will never happen because of the establishment, they want to keep us in our place. |
It wont happend because the vast majority of voters dont want it. | |
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| Remain Parties on 19:08 - Nov 7 with 2257 views | longlostjack |
| Remain Parties on 19:03 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack |
It wont happend because the vast majority of voters dont want it. |
You're stuck in the past. How would you know?
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| Remain Parties on 19:09 - Nov 7 with 2253 views | Fireboy2 |
| Remain Parties on 19:03 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack |
It wont happend because the vast majority of voters dont want it. |
Thats what they want you to believe, theres a big following for a republic but they never get their voices heard because of the said media.
If we had a referendum about keeping the royalty and it was done correctly then you would be surprised how many people want rid of them. | | | |
| Remain Parties on 19:13 - Nov 7 with 2251 views | Uxbridge |
| Remain Parties on 19:03 - Nov 7 by felixstowe_jack |
It wont happend because the vast majority of voters dont want it. |
2011 is an absolute age ago. You might as well be saying 1960 after all that has happened.
FPTP is broken. It needs changing. Whether PR is the way to go is open to question but let's not pretend a referendum on one specific change which wasn't attractive to anyone really somehow dismisses any review of the voting system in the future. |  |
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| Remain Parties on 19:22 - Nov 7 with 2244 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Remain Parties on 16:37 - Nov 7 by Batterseajack |
We had a vote on this in 2011 and the public overwhelmingly (67.9%) in favor of first past the post. |
The second part of that is correct, the first part isn’t. |  |
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| Remain Parties on 21:17 - Nov 7 with 2178 views | JackSomething |
| Remain Parties on 19:22 - Nov 7 by exiledclaseboy |
The second part of that is correct, the first part isn’t. |
He did well to get 50% right. | |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| Remain Parties on 12:29 - Nov 8 with 2095 views | Ebo |
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