| Israel / Gaza 13:23 - Jun 3 with 16615 views | Neath_Jack |
Right then, can someone explain to me (in simple terms) what the craic is out there?
I'm not interested on views on who is right/wrong etc.
Who are Fatah/Hamas/PLO and whoever else is there.
Who's fighting for what?
Just that i'm reading a book at the moment and a chap is out there and he's naming all these different groups and i don't know what's what.
No opinions, just facts please. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 13:50 - Jun 3 with 5797 views | Jonathans_coat |
There isn’t enough hours in my life to explain every detail of this one mate!!!!
The root of this issue is the British government promised the land to both the Arab rebellion, and the Jewish population of europe/Middle East, in return for them both fighting for us during the First World War. See below:-
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon—Hussein_Correspondence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Both have been fighting over the same patch of land since. To complicate the issue, this land contains the “holiest sites” of Islam, Judaism and Christianity. [Post edited 3 Jun 2018 13:52]
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| Israel / Gaza on 13:54 - Jun 3 with 5785 views | Dyfnant |
All I know is it’s damn hot there in May and the women don’t look as good as they do on the tele, unless you like women with a tache |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 14:00 - Jun 3 with 5773 views | Jonathans_coat |
| Israel / Gaza on 13:54 - Jun 3 by Dyfnant |
All I know is it’s damn hot there in May and the women don’t look as good as they do on the tele, unless you like women with a tache |
Not sure about that! My Israeli ex was like a shorter Gal Gadot! | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 14:10 - Jun 3 with 5753 views | pikeypaul |
Did she have an arse like Serena? |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 14:18 - Jun 3 with 5740 views | Jonathans_coat |
| Israel / Gaza on 14:10 - Jun 3 by pikeypaul |
Did she have an arse like Serena? |
Ha ha no. That’s a different order of magnitude altogether! | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 14:22 - Jun 3 with 5728 views | Highjack |
Basically think of life of Brian. They are all groups dedicated to the liberation of Palestine and the only people they hate more than the Israelis is each other. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 16:38 - Jun 3 with 5648 views | Badlands |
The Old Testament goes back to 350 'ish' BC and records memories of a couple of thousand years before that - the area has always been fought over. (Israelites flee from Egypt and set up home in Canaan - probably a myth to justify Jewish claims) Before religions disputes were tribal, then it was about trade and slaves, then controlling trade routes and more recently has focussed again on religion.
Today's problem were exacerbated when, after the WW2, Russia and USA decided to give the whole area to the Arab League which meant, without any consultation the British protectorate of Palestine was overrun.
Israelis in the area that had been protected decided to fight for what they claimed was a homeland and had been promised by the allied powers after WW2. Jews and other non-arabs of the region and returnees from WW2 managed to overcome an arms embargo and fought off the Arab League pushing Egypt, Jordan and Syria out of what is now Israel and was ancient Palestine / Israel / Judah. Britain and UN recognised the state of Israel, Israel disputed land with its neighbours and that's been the situation ever since.
IMO both sides are culpable.
But just think of what HighJack said. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 16:55 - Jun 3 with 5628 views | builthjack |
Split it down the middle. Simple. I am sure the Pallies would be happy. But guess the Izzies would go crying to the USA. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 17:05 - Jun 3 with 5615 views | Darran |
It’s all to do with this. Gazzas strip.
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| Israel / Gaza on 17:15 - Jun 3 with 5588 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 16:55 - Jun 3 by builthjack |
Split it down the middle. Simple. I am sure the Pallies would be happy. But guess the Izzies would go crying to the USA. |
Hamas wouldn't be happy what with that whole clause in their charter about driving Jews into seas stuff.
Crying to the USA? People really overrate the "help" of USA. |  | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 17:34 - Jun 3 with 5553 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Basically Palestine is a massive prison camp and Israel are the guards |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 17:49 - Jun 3 with 5534 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Israel / Gaza on 17:34 - Jun 3 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Basically Palestine is a massive prison camp and Israel are the guards |
Bluey’s gonna get ya. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 17:58 - Jun 3 with 5523 views | bluey_the_blue |
Nah, I've given up even bothering trying to attempt to educate Tommy et al as to reality.
On a tangent, have you seen some of the online reactions to the Tracy Ullman sketch? It's been fun. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:08 - Jun 3 with 5505 views | Badlands |
| Israel / Gaza on 16:55 - Jun 3 by builthjack |
Split it down the middle. Simple. I am sure the Pallies would be happy. But guess the Izzies would go crying to the USA. |
After 4 1/2 thousand years of disputes there well be no peace until god reveals herself as a non-existent fantasy.
But I suspect they's find another reason. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 18:09 - Jun 3 with 5504 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Israel / Gaza on 17:58 - Jun 3 by bluey_the_blue |
Nah, I've given up even bothering trying to attempt to educate Tommy et al as to reality.
On a tangent, have you seen some of the online reactions to the Tracy Ullman sketch? It's been fun. |
No, haven’t watched Friday’s show yet either. What did she do? [Post edited 3 Jun 2018 18:15]
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| Israel / Gaza on 18:15 - Jun 3 with 5485 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:09 - Jun 3 by exiledclaseboy |
No, haven’t watched Friday’s show yet either. What did she do? [Post edited 3 Jun 2018 18:15]
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Impersonated Corbyn.
Sturgeon, May, Gove et al being mocked is fine, but apparently Ullman mocking Corbyn to some was the BBC attacking him unfairly.
You'd be amazed how many thickos have called for action because Ullman is Jewish ( she isn't ) and the sketch was written by well known Jew David Baddiel ( it wasn't ).
To be honest, seeing her made up as Corbyn it honestly looked more like Derek Jacobi. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:19 - Jun 3 with 5475 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Israel / Gaza on 17:58 - Jun 3 by bluey_the_blue |
Nah, I've given up even bothering trying to attempt to educate Tommy et al as to reality.
On a tangent, have you seen some of the online reactions to the Tracy Ullman sketch? It's been fun. |
educate us all on the biggest prison camp in the world you font of knowledge you | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 18:21 - Jun 3 with 5470 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:19 - Jun 3 by oh_tommy_tommy |
educate us all on the biggest prison camp in the world you font of knowledge you |
Prison camps don't generally plan nice big beach hotels, Tommy.
I actually credit you with intelligence. I don't need to educate you about Hamas, Fatah, PLO, Egypt et al. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:24 - Jun 3 with 5464 views | Highjack |
| Israel / Gaza on 17:34 - Jun 3 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Basically Palestine is a massive prison camp and Israel are the guards |
Does that make the Palestinians a bunch of criminals? | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 18:29 - Jun 3 with 5459 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:24 - Jun 3 by Highjack |
Does that make the Palestinians a bunch of criminals? |
I like the logic you used there. Bravo sir, have a smoked salmon bagel. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:01 - Jun 3 with 5423 views | Neath_Jack |
| Israel / Gaza on 16:38 - Jun 3 by Badlands |
The Old Testament goes back to 350 'ish' BC and records memories of a couple of thousand years before that - the area has always been fought over. (Israelites flee from Egypt and set up home in Canaan - probably a myth to justify Jewish claims) Before religions disputes were tribal, then it was about trade and slaves, then controlling trade routes and more recently has focussed again on religion.
Today's problem were exacerbated when, after the WW2, Russia and USA decided to give the whole area to the Arab League which meant, without any consultation the British protectorate of Palestine was overrun.
Israelis in the area that had been protected decided to fight for what they claimed was a homeland and had been promised by the allied powers after WW2. Jews and other non-arabs of the region and returnees from WW2 managed to overcome an arms embargo and fought off the Arab League pushing Egypt, Jordan and Syria out of what is now Israel and was ancient Palestine / Israel / Judah. Britain and UN recognised the state of Israel, Israel disputed land with its neighbours and that's been the situation ever since.
IMO both sides are culpable.
But just think of what HighJack said. |
Thanks for that, but what i'm really after is who Fatah/Hamas/PLO are, and who they are fighting against.
Who do the UK/USA/Russia governments support? | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 19:04 - Jun 3 with 5417 views | omarjack |
Can people please stop dehumanising people they don't know anything about?
It's a clusterf*ck of a situation but remember there is good and bad on both sides..Not so hard to grasp ffs. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 19:21 - Jun 3 with 5400 views | Dippy |
I'll tell you the reason.. you've got to pay me though.. because I've had enough of people being undignified thieves..
But you'll probably call me David Icke | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 19:49 - Jun 3 with 5363 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:15 - Jun 3 by bluey_the_blue |
Impersonated Corbyn.
Sturgeon, May, Gove et al being mocked is fine, but apparently Ullman mocking Corbyn to some was the BBC attacking him unfairly.
You'd be amazed how many thickos have called for action because Ullman is Jewish ( she isn't ) and the sketch was written by well known Jew David Baddiel ( it wasn't ).
To be honest, seeing her made up as Corbyn it honestly looked more like Derek Jacobi. |
Don’t understand get the fuss now, it’s the second series and she did Corbyn all through the first too. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 20:03 - Jun 3 with 5345 views | Jonathans_coat |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:01 - Jun 3 by Neath_Jack |
Thanks for that, but what i'm really after is who Fatah/Hamas/PLO are, and who they are fighting against.
Who do the UK/USA/Russia governments support? |
Israel is split into 3 areas, which are effectively 3 different countries at present. The state of Israel is the Jewish state. Then you have the two Palestinian (Arab) states, The West Bank and The Gaza Strip.
Fatah are the ruling political party in The West Bank, and are a moderate Palestinian political party. Fatah is actually the largest part of the PLO, which is a multi group political party. They are trying to solve problems generally through dialogue and diplomacy.
Hamas are the ruling political party in The Gaza Strip, and are a fundamentalist group, pretty radical and militant. They are designated as a terrorist organisation by some nations. The are not great fans of Fatah, and claim that many years of dialogue and diplomacy has achieved very little except the continued subjugation of the Palestinian people. (tbh they have a point).
Hamas are stirring up Palestinians to “fight back” against the Israeli state in any way they can, in many cases just protesting, but some are throwing rocks or petrol bombs at Israeli Soldiers. The Israeli soldiers response is generally to shoot first and ask questions later, men, women, kids, it doesn’t seem to matter.
Short version, it is all a HUGE politcal, social, religious, ideological, military and economic mess. | | | |
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