| Vote of no confidence thread. 18:21 - Dec 15 with 27607 views | E20Jack |
Not a member but will happily join again if this was to get off the ground.
Any members have any ideas how to do this?
Looks like the only way of stopping this deal now. I have asked several times what are the benefits of this deal, it cannot be continuing to have a voice as conceding drag rights will probably mean the Trust survives as an organisation for a shorter period than if it was to go legal. They are not long term owners.
...those who recommended the deal still have not answered.
Swans Trust,
12 Dynevor Avenue,
Neath,
SA10 7AG
I, the undersigned member, believe the current committee no longer represents the wishes of this organisation's members. I would like to register a vote of no confidence and ask you to call and extraordinary meeting of all Trust members so that we can be heard. We would like to table a motion that the following committee members should stand down and call an election at the earliest opportunity.
Alan Lewis
Stuart McDonald
Viv Brooks
Ron Knuszka
Cath Dyer
Viv Williams
Sian Davies
Yours,
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** any Trust members for the deal I have missed out feel free to add or any I have included that are against it then again feel free to omit. [Post edited 15 Dec 2017 20:43]
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 18:49 - Dec 15 with 10374 views | wobbly |
Yes, just submit a motion of no confidence. If enough people vote on your motion, then it passes.
I hope this is helpful. |  | | |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 18:50 - Dec 15 with 10373 views | swanseajack4eva |
I am a member and would sign it.
The problem is we don't know how to immediately create or petition a vote of no confidence because we don't know what governance rules the Trust board is legally operating under. |  | | |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 18:59 - Dec 15 with 10332 views | Nookiejack |
From the other thread it appears we need 80 members to sign it |  | | |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:02 - Dec 15 with 10321 views | E20Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 18:59 - Dec 15 by Nookiejack |
From the other thread it appears we need 80 members to sign it |
And what would that do exactly Nookie? bring it to the vote presumably?
And how many then would need to vote on it for it to pass and be acted upon? | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:03 - Dec 15 with 10314 views | Uxbridge |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 18:59 - Dec 15 by Nookiejack |
From the other thread it appears we need 80 members to sign it |
Current membership is over 1100. |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:11 - Dec 15 with 10286 views | wobbly |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:03 - Dec 15 by Uxbridge |
Current membership is over 1100. |
This puts E20 in a bit of a quandary. He wants to sign up in order to vote on the motion, but that increases the total membership number, which makes the threshold needed to pass the motion higher as well.
Is he better off not joining so it makes it easier to pass. | | | |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:11 - Dec 15 with 10281 views | Landore_Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:03 - Dec 15 by Uxbridge |
Current membership is over 1100. |
How many members do we need to trigger the vote of no confidence? |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:15 - Dec 15 with 10266 views | E20Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:11 - Dec 15 by wobbly |
This puts E20 in a bit of a quandary. He wants to sign up in order to vote on the motion, but that increases the total membership number, which makes the threshold needed to pass the motion higher as well.
Is he better off not joining so it makes it easier to pass. |
That is my thinking, if many are on the same lines. But then I would also get a vote again when it comes to the share sale.
It may be better for the current members to do the ousting, and then the disenfranchined ex members to re join to vote on the deal. [Post edited 15 Dec 2017 19:17]
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:17 - Dec 15 with 10252 views | E20Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:11 - Dec 15 by Landore_Jack |
How many members do we need to trigger the vote of no confidence? |
Must be 10%
So between 110-120. | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:22 - Dec 15 with 10237 views | Vetchfielder |
I think it would be difficult to get 120 Trust Members to write and sign a letter, not an email, a real letter , calling for a vote of no confidence in the Trust Board.
Personally, despite having been at last night's meeting and had 2 requests for a show of hands on getting a 2nd vote turned down, I still haven't got to the point of a vote of no confidence. I don't know where that would take us.
I think there is more chance of getting 120 Trust Members to do the letter thing requesting an EGM to move for a 2nd vote. Still very very difficult though and I would please ask non-members that suggest what the Trust members should be doing please join up and help do what is needed. Please join the Trust even if you have historical issues.
As an aside, at the next AGM, I will be proposing an amendment to the new rules for calling an EGM such that maybe only 30 people are required to call it - 10% is far too high and makes mobilisation far too difficult for the membership. |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:28 - Dec 15 with 10204 views | Neath_Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:22 - Dec 15 by Vetchfielder |
I think it would be difficult to get 120 Trust Members to write and sign a letter, not an email, a real letter , calling for a vote of no confidence in the Trust Board.
Personally, despite having been at last night's meeting and had 2 requests for a show of hands on getting a 2nd vote turned down, I still haven't got to the point of a vote of no confidence. I don't know where that would take us.
I think there is more chance of getting 120 Trust Members to do the letter thing requesting an EGM to move for a 2nd vote. Still very very difficult though and I would please ask non-members that suggest what the Trust members should be doing please join up and help do what is needed. Please join the Trust even if you have historical issues.
As an aside, at the next AGM, I will be proposing an amendment to the new rules for calling an EGM such that maybe only 30 people are required to call it - 10% is far too high and makes mobilisation far too difficult for the membership. |
Aren't you part of that protest group thing? If you are, surely that's a vehicle for this kind of thing, bash a few messages out to your fellow gangbangers on whatsapp and you'll nail it? |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:29 - Dec 15 with 10202 views | Banosswan |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:15 - Dec 15 by E20Jack |
That is my thinking, if many are on the same lines. But then I would also get a vote again when it comes to the share sale.
It may be better for the current members to do the ousting, and then the disenfranchined ex members to re join to vote on the deal. [Post edited 15 Dec 2017 19:17]
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1000 members, 10% is 100.
1001 members, 10% is 100.1.
Joining and voting is beneficial. |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:29 - Dec 15 with 10201 views | longlostjack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:22 - Dec 15 by Vetchfielder |
I think it would be difficult to get 120 Trust Members to write and sign a letter, not an email, a real letter , calling for a vote of no confidence in the Trust Board.
Personally, despite having been at last night's meeting and had 2 requests for a show of hands on getting a 2nd vote turned down, I still haven't got to the point of a vote of no confidence. I don't know where that would take us.
I think there is more chance of getting 120 Trust Members to do the letter thing requesting an EGM to move for a 2nd vote. Still very very difficult though and I would please ask non-members that suggest what the Trust members should be doing please join up and help do what is needed. Please join the Trust even if you have historical issues.
As an aside, at the next AGM, I will be proposing an amendment to the new rules for calling an EGM such that maybe only 30 people are required to call it - 10% is far too high and makes mobilisation far too difficult for the membership. |
Great post. Swallow your pride and/or stop whingeing about your tenner. Get in there and fight the battle from inside. |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:29 - Dec 15 with 10196 views | wobbly |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:15 - Dec 15 by E20Jack |
That is my thinking, if many are on the same lines. But then I would also get a vote again when it comes to the share sale.
It may be better for the current members to do the ousting, and then the disenfranchined ex members to re join to vote on the deal. [Post edited 15 Dec 2017 19:17]
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Good thinking. Best strategy is to just post on here and hope someone else does something.
Count me in, comrade. | | | |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:33 - Dec 15 with 10179 views | Banosswan |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:29 - Dec 15 by wobbly |
Good thinking. Best strategy is to just post on here and hope someone else does something.
Count me in, comrade. |
As long as people are joining with the intention to vote, that's better than not joining. | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:42 - Dec 15 with 10144 views | dobjack2 |
The sale is clearly being rushed to get it done before the nextAGM. Funny how the AGM is being delayed from its usual date as well. [Post edited 15 Dec 2017 19:47]
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:46 - Dec 15 with 10126 views | E20Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:29 - Dec 15 by Banosswan |
1000 members, 10% is 100.
1001 members, 10% is 100.1.
Joining and voting is beneficial. |
depends how many people are in my boat though. If we are talking of another 400 then that is another 40 needed. it would be far better to join after a call for an ousting of the board. | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:47 - Dec 15 with 10120 views | E20Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:29 - Dec 15 by wobbly |
Good thinking. Best strategy is to just post on here and hope someone else does something.
Count me in, comrade. |
So you have not read and understood what I have said then.
Ah well. | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:48 - Dec 15 with 10114 views | E20Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:22 - Dec 15 by Vetchfielder |
I think it would be difficult to get 120 Trust Members to write and sign a letter, not an email, a real letter , calling for a vote of no confidence in the Trust Board.
Personally, despite having been at last night's meeting and had 2 requests for a show of hands on getting a 2nd vote turned down, I still haven't got to the point of a vote of no confidence. I don't know where that would take us.
I think there is more chance of getting 120 Trust Members to do the letter thing requesting an EGM to move for a 2nd vote. Still very very difficult though and I would please ask non-members that suggest what the Trust members should be doing please join up and help do what is needed. Please join the Trust even if you have historical issues.
As an aside, at the next AGM, I will be proposing an amendment to the new rules for calling an EGM such that maybe only 30 people are required to call it - 10% is far too high and makes mobilisation far too difficult for the membership. |
It wouldnt need to be 120 different letters. Just one template. It is essentially 120 signatures. | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:56 - Dec 15 with 10081 views | Jackfath |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:48 - Dec 15 by E20Jack |
It wouldnt need to be 120 different letters. Just one template. It is essentially 120 signatures. |
Draft a letter, put it up on here, ask for it to be made a sticky. I will print it off, sign and send as I am sure countless others will. |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:59 - Dec 15 with 10061 views | longlostjack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:56 - Dec 15 by Jackfath |
Draft a letter, put it up on here, ask for it to be made a sticky. I will print it off, sign and send as I am sure countless others will. |
Me too. Just make sure it complies with whatever bloody rules the Trust have decided are valid this week. | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 20:04 - Dec 15 with 10048 views | Bobby_Fischer |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:46 - Dec 15 by E20Jack |
depends how many people are in my boat though. If we are talking of another 400 then that is another 40 needed. it would be far better to join after a call for an ousting of the board. |
Well if 400 are in your boat and are joining in order to issue a vote of no confidence I'm sure they will sign a letter, at a minimum 10% will. |  |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 20:09 - Dec 15 with 10031 views | E20Jack |
| Vote of no confidence thread. on 19:56 - Dec 15 by Jackfath |
Draft a letter, put it up on here, ask for it to be made a sticky. I will print it off, sign and send as I am sure countless others will. |
Swans Trust,
12 Dynevor Avenue,
Neath,
SA10 7AG
I, the undersigned member, believe the current committee no longer represents the wishes of this organisation's members. I would like to register a vote of no confidence and ask you to call and extraordinary meeting of all Trust members so that we can be heard. We would like to table a motion that the following committee members should stand down and call an election at the earliest opportunity.
Alan Lewis
Stuart McDonald
Viv Brooks
Ron Knuszka
Cath Dyer
Viv Williams
Sian Davies
Yours,
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** any Trust members for the deal I have missed out feel free to add or any I have included that are against it then again feel free to omit. | |
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| Vote of no confidence thread. on 20:10 - Dec 15 with 10023 views | AguycalledJack |
I’m a trust member. I’d sign a letter of no confidence. | | | |
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