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Just for controversial... 02:04 - Sep 29 with 2655 viewsDJack

everyone else please keep away to stop it getting locked.

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Just for controversial... on 10:44 - Sep 29 with 1886 viewscontroversial_jack

I was just reading how 4 f16s game changers donated from the Netherlands were destroyed on the ground by Russian missiles, and a batch of I think 12 storm shadow missiles were destroyed by Russian missiles too. See how it works.
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Just for controversial... on 10:46 - Sep 29 with 1884 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

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Just for controversial... on 11:17 - Sep 29 with 1848 viewsAnotherJohn

Just for controversial... on 10:44 - Sep 29 by controversial_jack

I was just reading how 4 f16s game changers donated from the Netherlands were destroyed on the ground by Russian missiles, and a batch of I think 12 storm shadow missiles were destroyed by Russian missiles too. See how it works.


There are several misleading claims about F16 loses on the web

This relates to one said to have been shot down near Odessa,



Another supposedly recent picture of an F16 being shot down over the sea is also faked.

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36H63KK

A third showing a wrecked F16 in a damaged building comes from an accident in the USA many years ago. See Noelreports - I can't easily extract the item from the thread of posts.

As far as I know, only one F16 is confirmed as lost.
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Just for controversial... on 11:59 - Sep 29 with 1813 viewsSullutaCreturned

Did you really expect a straight answer? Because you won't get one. There'll be more silliness though, that's my best guess if you do get an answer.
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Just for controversial... on 12:07 - Sep 29 with 1809 viewscontroversial_jack

Just for controversial... on 11:17 - Sep 29 by AnotherJohn

There are several misleading claims about F16 loses on the web

This relates to one said to have been shot down near Odessa,



Another supposedly recent picture of an F16 being shot down over the sea is also faked.

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36H63KK

A third showing a wrecked F16 in a damaged building comes from an accident in the USA many years ago. See Noelreports - I can't easily extract the item from the thread of posts.

As far as I know, only one F16 is confirmed as lost.
[Post edited 29 Sep 11:55]


4 were destroyed on the ground, in the Ukraine and not in the air which is what i stated earlier. do pay attention.



Enough for today, i'm off to watch us Destroy Brizzle
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Just for controversial... on 13:36 - Sep 29 with 1746 viewsAnotherJohn

Just for controversial... on 12:07 - Sep 29 by controversial_jack

4 were destroyed on the ground, in the Ukraine and not in the air which is what i stated earlier. do pay attention.



Enough for today, i'm off to watch us Destroy Brizzle
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If you read my post carefully then you will see that I mentioned an image showing an F16 wrecked inside a building and this was supposed to have been destroyed on the ground (this is the case despite the writeup in the Newsweek article which is the only place I could find that allowed me to post the image).

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-f16-crash-fact-check-1960697

Later the claims by Russian bloggers were expanded to say the strike took out four F16s. However, the photoshopped image used was traced back to an incident in 2019 in the USA. As I said, people can find this on the Telegram Channel NoelReports.
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Just for controversial... on 13:55 - Sep 29 with 1711 viewsDJack

Just for controversial... on 10:44 - Sep 29 by controversial_jack

I was just reading how 4 f16s game changers donated from the Netherlands were destroyed on the ground by Russian missiles, and a batch of I think 12 storm shadow missiles were destroyed by Russian missiles too. See how it works.


What has your debunked claim got to do with it. Predicted ammunition shortages do not mean zero munitions.

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Just for controversial... on 15:18 - Sep 30 with 1571 viewsSullutaCreturned

Just for controversial... on 13:55 - Sep 29 by DJack

What has your debunked claim got to do with it. Predicted ammunition shortages do not mean zero munitions.


See, more silliness.
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Just for controversial... on 15:33 - Sep 30 with 1560 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Nothing to see here, you can buy a F-16 if you need one. A bit heavy on fuel though.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/08/29/fully-operational-f

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Just for controversial... on 16:10 - Sep 30 with 1544 viewscontroversial_jack

Just for controversial... on 13:55 - Sep 29 by DJack

What has your debunked claim got to do with it. Predicted ammunition shortages do not mean zero munitions.


I see even the Yanks have debunked the latest Ukranian claims of destroying a Russian ammo dump
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Just for controversial... on 17:29 - Sep 30 with 1505 viewsSullutaCreturned

Just for controversial... on 16:10 - Sep 30 by controversial_jack

I see even the Yanks have debunked the latest Ukranian claims of destroying a Russian ammo dump


Evidence?
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Just for controversial... on 20:12 - Sep 30 with 1458 viewsonehunglow

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Just for controversial... on 23:11 - Sep 30 with 1414 viewsKeithHaynes

Just for controversial... on 15:33 - Sep 30 by JACKMANANDBOY

Nothing to see here, you can buy a F-16 if you need one. A bit heavy on fuel though.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/08/29/fully-operational-f


Ah but is there an MOT ?

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Just for controversial... on 23:23 - Sep 30 with 1398 viewsDJack

Just for controversial... on 23:11 - Sep 30 by KeithHaynes

Ah but is there an MOT ?


No, Just a MOAB.

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Just for controversial... on 06:34 - Oct 1 with 1337 viewsSullutaCreturned

Just for controversial... on 23:23 - Sep 30 by DJack

No, Just a MOAB.


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Just for controversial... on 10:14 - Oct 1 with 1292 viewscontroversial_jack

Just for controversial... on 17:29 - Sep 30 by SullutaCreturned

Evidence?


https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/29/7477368/
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Just for controversial... on 19:08 - Oct 1 with 1163 viewsSullutaCreturned

Just for controversial... on 10:14 - Oct 1 by controversial_jack

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/29/7477368/


PRAVDA, since when have the "Yanks" been running Pravda? Any links from the USA?

Fair does though, you made me laugh out loud.
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Just for controversial... on 19:32 - Oct 1 with 1142 viewscontroversial_jack

Just for controversial... on 19:08 - Oct 1 by SullutaCreturned

PRAVDA, since when have the "Yanks" been running Pravda? Any links from the USA?

Fair does though, you made me laugh out loud.


It was reported in there, but the source was from Liberty radio, which is funded by the US govt for Europe.
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Just for controversial... on 20:57 - Oct 1 with 1097 viewsSullutaCreturned

Just for controversial... on 19:32 - Oct 1 by controversial_jack

It was reported in there, but the source was from Liberty radio, which is funded by the US govt for Europe.


Again, any evidence? A link?
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Just for controversial... on 21:06 - Oct 1 with 1088 viewscontroversial_jack

Just for controversial... on 20:57 - Oct 1 by SullutaCreturned

Again, any evidence? A link?


Evidence of what? I posted the link earlier
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Just for controversial... on 06:48 - Oct 2 with 1014 viewsSullutaCreturned

Just for controversial... on 21:06 - Oct 1 by controversial_jack

Evidence of what? I posted the link earlier


Evidence that the USA debunked those claims, what you provided was Russian "evidence" but all you gave re the "yanks" was hearsay, anything to show the USA government debunked any claims? Yes, official sources not some radio station.
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Just for controversial... on 08:13 - Oct 2 with 1005 viewscontroversial_jack

Just for controversial... on 06:48 - Oct 2 by SullutaCreturned

Evidence that the USA debunked those claims, what you provided was Russian "evidence" but all you gave re the "yanks" was hearsay, anything to show the USA government debunked any claims? Yes, official sources not some radio station.


It's like pulling teeth.

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) is an American government-funded international media organization that broadcasts and reports news, information, and analyses to Eastern Europe, Central Asia, the Caucasus, and the Middle East. RFE/RL is a private 501(c)(3) corporation and is supervised by the U.S. Agency for Global Media, an independent government agency overseeing all international broadcasting services that receive American government support.

It's not just some radio station!

Radio Liberty has released a satellite image showing that a missile and artillery arsenal targeted by a Ukrainian drone strike near the village of Kotluban in Russia’s Volgograd Oblast was not hit.
Source: Radio Liberty

Details: The satellite image, dated 29 September, shows that a fire broke out near the arsenal of the Russian Defence Ministry’s Main Missile and Artillery Directorate as a result of the Ukrainian drone strike, but the blaze did not spread to the premises of the ammunition depot.
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Just for controversial... on 20:20 - Oct 2 with 900 viewsSullutaCreturned

Just for controversial... on 08:13 - Oct 2 by controversial_jack

It's like pulling teeth.

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) is an American government-funded international media organization that broadcasts and reports news, information, and analyses to Eastern Europe, Central Asia, the Caucasus, and the Middle East. RFE/RL is a private 501(c)(3) corporation and is supervised by the U.S. Agency for Global Media, an independent government agency overseeing all international broadcasting services that receive American government support.

It's not just some radio station!

Radio Liberty has released a satellite image showing that a missile and artillery arsenal targeted by a Ukrainian drone strike near the village of Kotluban in Russia’s Volgograd Oblast was not hit.
Source: Radio Liberty

Details: The satellite image, dated 29 September, shows that a fire broke out near the arsenal of the Russian Defence Ministry’s Main Missile and Artillery Directorate as a result of the Ukrainian drone strike, but the blaze did not spread to the premises of the ammunition depot.


You said the Yanks had debunked it, that is a RADIO STATION and not an official source. Where did the satellite image come from?
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Just for controversial... on 21:16 - Oct 2 with 890 viewscontroversial_jack

Just for controversial... on 20:20 - Oct 2 by SullutaCreturned

You said the Yanks had debunked it, that is a RADIO STATION and not an official source. Where did the satellite image come from?


I didn't realise the US govt weren't yanks. The image came from one of the objects orbiting the planet
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Just for controversial... on 17:29 - Oct 7 with 695 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Just for controversial... on 10:14 - Oct 1 by controversial_jack

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/09/29/7477368/


As an old Russian saying goes their is no truth in pravda and no new in izvestia.

One is owned by the Russian government the other by the Russian communist party.

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