| When can we ask for CR to go? 13:12 - Aug 10 with 7192 views | WestonsuperR |
I didn't want Ramsey to be given the job when Harry left, I had massive concerns over his lack of managerial experience and wondered if he would have the gravitas to motivate, particularly with the experienced pro's. Ramsey was given a clear task, keep us up and keep the job and although I didn't agree with the appointment I felt that was fair. This task was failed miserably so to then give him the job sent out completely the wrong message but do get that is a different argument and one that has passed now.
So I didn't want him initially, I didn't agree he should have had a permanent role and I don't want him in charge now but fear getting slated on here for suggesting he should go after just 1 match.
This isn't a knee-jerk reaction to one defeat, especially as for a short period v Charlton we looked ok, this is a long-term view. I wonder how many others agree with me?
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:16 - Aug 10 with 1718 views | daveB |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:00 - Aug 10 by QPR_John |
Surely a long term plan suggest a gradual increase in performance something we have not seen under Ramsey. Sadly Saturday was no surprised and the pattern was repeated many times last season, start well, miss a few chances, concede first and lose. |
Going to take more than 1 game to see an improvement, thats's all this team has had.
I thought last season we did see an improvement in how we played but the week we lost to Chelsea and drew with West Ham killed the team and we were crap after that. |  | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:22 - Aug 10 with 1702 views | TheBlob |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:16 - Aug 10 by daveB |
Going to take more than 1 game to see an improvement, thats's all this team has had.
I thought last season we did see an improvement in how we played but the week we lost to Chelsea and drew with West Ham killed the team and we were crap after that. |
You can tell straight away what's what.It's not how good you are it's how bad the other teams are and from what I've seen we'll be looking over our shoulders constantly from now on. |  |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:24 - Aug 10 with 1698 views | daveB |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 13:50 - Aug 10 by QPR_John |
So what is the job of a football manager now. While you may be right in that in modern day football the manager does not personally control all aspects of running a club surely he has an input in those that effect the team. |
Ramsey is the coach so in charge of coaching the team ,picking it etc.
QPR hired a company to sort out the pre season in Italy which turned out to be a mistake | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:27 - Aug 10 with 1687 views | TheBlob |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:24 - Aug 10 by daveB |
Ramsey is the coach so in charge of coaching the team ,picking it etc.
QPR hired a company to sort out the pre season in Italy which turned out to be a mistake |
Well that inspires a lot of confidence doesn't itSo what else isn't he responsible for?Are we handing the nutrition over to MacDonalds? | |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:33 - Aug 10 with 1673 views | whittocksRs |
I'm concerned with how unfit the team looks, and that once again we've completely cocked up pre-season, and Ramsey has to take some blame for that, as does Lee Hoos. Not entirely their fault though.
Don't understand why the OP thinks 'experienced pros' would be the unmotivated ones; surely it's the inexperienced ones who're more likely to disrespect authority or ignore the manager? You know, you get better at your job the longer you are there, and you're more likely to offer help, not hinder, if you think your well-meaning boss is struggling. If you've got a summer job as a teenager, you don't give a sh*t about the management or its struggles. Strange logic to think otherwise.
Ramsey's signings seem solid so far, though he should have focused on defence more, as we could be forced into spending a lot towards the end of the window if we continue shipping goals. Wiser investment earlier in the summer might have avoided that. So jury is out, but again benefit of the doubt.
As a long-term process aiming to change the philosophy of the club Ramsey fits the bill, and that's why we should be sticking with him. I think a lot of Rs' fans seem to be very spoilt these days. |  | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:45 - Aug 10 with 1613 views | dolcelatte |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:33 - Aug 10 by whittocksRs |
I'm concerned with how unfit the team looks, and that once again we've completely cocked up pre-season, and Ramsey has to take some blame for that, as does Lee Hoos. Not entirely their fault though.
Don't understand why the OP thinks 'experienced pros' would be the unmotivated ones; surely it's the inexperienced ones who're more likely to disrespect authority or ignore the manager? You know, you get better at your job the longer you are there, and you're more likely to offer help, not hinder, if you think your well-meaning boss is struggling. If you've got a summer job as a teenager, you don't give a sh*t about the management or its struggles. Strange logic to think otherwise.
Ramsey's signings seem solid so far, though he should have focused on defence more, as we could be forced into spending a lot towards the end of the window if we continue shipping goals. Wiser investment earlier in the summer might have avoided that. So jury is out, but again benefit of the doubt.
As a long-term process aiming to change the philosophy of the club Ramsey fits the bill, and that's why we should be sticking with him. I think a lot of Rs' fans seem to be very spoilt these days. |
Lee Hoos has only just started and arrangements for pre season had already been sorted by then so not sure how he is at fault. |  |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:49 - Aug 10 with 1595 views | paulparker |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:33 - Aug 10 by whittocksRs |
I'm concerned with how unfit the team looks, and that once again we've completely cocked up pre-season, and Ramsey has to take some blame for that, as does Lee Hoos. Not entirely their fault though.
Don't understand why the OP thinks 'experienced pros' would be the unmotivated ones; surely it's the inexperienced ones who're more likely to disrespect authority or ignore the manager? You know, you get better at your job the longer you are there, and you're more likely to offer help, not hinder, if you think your well-meaning boss is struggling. If you've got a summer job as a teenager, you don't give a sh*t about the management or its struggles. Strange logic to think otherwise.
Ramsey's signings seem solid so far, though he should have focused on defence more, as we could be forced into spending a lot towards the end of the window if we continue shipping goals. Wiser investment earlier in the summer might have avoided that. So jury is out, but again benefit of the doubt.
As a long-term process aiming to change the philosophy of the club Ramsey fits the bill, and that's why we should be sticking with him. I think a lot of Rs' fans seem to be very spoilt these days. |
Spoilt! with what exactly
we have been mismanaged for years and even worse managed since TF took over
apart from the Play off final we have had to put up with a lot of sh1t
if anything the fanbase has been more than patient with the cock ups that have been made
most fans now just laugh at our incompetence and that's sad
we've had poor managers
false promises
overpaid mercenaries
poor pre seasons
poor performances
terrible scouting
still no training ground
and FFP hanging over us
Thompson and Wright would have been hanged outside the Springbok for less
this Ramsey experiment will end in tears to add to the other cock ups I wonder what excuses will come out then |  |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:08 - Aug 10 with 1546 views | QPunkR |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 13:50 - Aug 10 by GetMeRangers |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:08 - Aug 10 with 1544 views | whittocksRs |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:49 - Aug 10 by paulparker |
Spoilt! with what exactly
we have been mismanaged for years and even worse managed since TF took over
apart from the Play off final we have had to put up with a lot of sh1t
if anything the fanbase has been more than patient with the cock ups that have been made
most fans now just laugh at our incompetence and that's sad
we've had poor managers
false promises
overpaid mercenaries
poor pre seasons
poor performances
terrible scouting
still no training ground
and FFP hanging over us
Thompson and Wright would have been hanged outside the Springbok for less
this Ramsey experiment will end in tears to add to the other cock ups I wonder what excuses will come out then |
You're right on every count — all of those things are true to a point and it is absolutely true Fernandes has been a golden sh*t shower for this club.
I just don't see how a man who was given the job to bring our wage bill down — and has done — and rebuild the first team squad almost entirely — and has done — plus has had less than six months properly in charge, is the fair object of ire.
As far I can see it Ramsey has so far made the following mistakes: set the team up too defensively towards the end of the season, brought on SWP against City and then played him from the start of a game (showed a lack of empathy with the fans), and has not overseen a very good pre-season (although it's been far better than an Redknapp summer in fecking Dorset).
None of those offences are sackable and the scale of feeling against him just screams those people that want us to pay a fortune for Sam Allardyce to come and implement Long Ball #101. So yes, there's definitely a feeling of spoilt behaviour. | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:18 - Aug 10 with 1520 views | kensalriser |
Scarcely credible the amount of apologists for the lack of fitness.
Having your squad fully fit and ready for the first game of the season is about as basic a requirement as you can imagine at any level of the game. To say that the manager isn't responsible is laughable. Of course he's responsible.
Carry on believing the new philosophy rhetoric all you like. The only new philosophy I can see is that of spending considerably less money. Everything else is the same farcical mismanagement. [Post edited 10 Aug 2015 15:19]
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:19 - Aug 10 with 1508 views | paulparker |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:08 - Aug 10 by whittocksRs |
You're right on every count — all of those things are true to a point and it is absolutely true Fernandes has been a golden sh*t shower for this club.
I just don't see how a man who was given the job to bring our wage bill down — and has done — and rebuild the first team squad almost entirely — and has done — plus has had less than six months properly in charge, is the fair object of ire.
As far I can see it Ramsey has so far made the following mistakes: set the team up too defensively towards the end of the season, brought on SWP against City and then played him from the start of a game (showed a lack of empathy with the fans), and has not overseen a very good pre-season (although it's been far better than an Redknapp summer in fecking Dorset).
None of those offences are sackable and the scale of feeling against him just screams those people that want us to pay a fortune for Sam Allardyce to come and implement Long Ball #101. So yes, there's definitely a feeling of spoilt behaviour. |
well I can say a 1000% I don't want fat sam anywhere near this club
im happy to build from the beginning up , but I cant see what Ramsey brings to us or how he is going to change things
im told he is this great coach, but really where is the evidence of that , it certainly isn't the way we defend as a team or our set pieces
as fotr the long ball we saw plenty of that last season and I worry with polter in the team we will revert back to that
if we had started from scratch with a Warburton, McNamara or Clough then yes a reaction on here to a defeat would have been harsh, its the lack of imagination and fight from ramsey and his teams from February which the fans have every right to be questioning | |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:27 - Aug 10 with 1487 views | derbyhoop |
You can ask whenever you like. that doesn't mean the people who matter are going to listen to you.
If you have a long-term plan to change the philosophy of the club, it isn't helped by making major changes for very short term reasons. |  |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:43 - Aug 10 with 1455 views | Dorse |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 14:12 - Aug 10 by jamois |
I gotta stick with Dan. Booze, late-night salmon stuck to my face and the farce of QPR. He's a totem. |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:46 - Aug 10 with 1446 views | adhoc_qpr |
Completely ignoring Ramsey's losing record (included some big losses ) from last season is a bit generous.
Lack of fitness and team selection is his area though - if Austin and Henry haven't had any pre-season and are unfit - why play them?
Why not play Poulter and Gobern who have played most of pre-season and have been signed by Ramsey presumably to play in the first team? | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:51 - Aug 10 with 1428 views | daveB |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:46 - Aug 10 by adhoc_qpr |
Completely ignoring Ramsey's losing record (included some big losses ) from last season is a bit generous.
Lack of fitness and team selection is his area though - if Austin and Henry haven't had any pre-season and are unfit - why play them?
Why not play Poulter and Gobern who have played most of pre-season and have been signed by Ramsey presumably to play in the first team? |
Last season shouldn't be ignored both the good and bad results he had but I think this is a new team and should be given at least 10 games to settle down and see how they look.
No excuse for the lack of fitness, I find it incredible how we've done this 2 years in a row now. We're not alone, I saw a few Prem teams at the weekend including Chelsea who looked nowhere near ready but that should not be the case at any professional club.
Austin was clearly undercooked but Ramsey needs results so he would have been made to leave him out. I did find starting an undercooked Karl Henry strange though when we had other options. | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:06 - Aug 10 with 1357 views | TheBlob |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:27 - Aug 10 by derbyhoop |
You can ask whenever you like. that doesn't mean the people who matter are going to listen to you.
If you have a long-term plan to change the philosophy of the club, it isn't helped by making major changes for very short term reasons. |
The longest journey starts but with a single step. | |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:09 - Aug 10 with 1344 views | francisbowles |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:51 - Aug 10 by daveB |
Last season shouldn't be ignored both the good and bad results he had but I think this is a new team and should be given at least 10 games to settle down and see how they look.
No excuse for the lack of fitness, I find it incredible how we've done this 2 years in a row now. We're not alone, I saw a few Prem teams at the weekend including Chelsea who looked nowhere near ready but that should not be the case at any professional club.
Austin was clearly undercooked but Ramsey needs results so he would have been made to leave him out. I did find starting an undercooked Karl Henry strange though when we had other options. |
An interesting observation. Could be something to do with a shorter break than usual finishing third week in May and starting earlier than usual. Players like Charlie who have had international duty etc and then pick up an injury have no chance of being up to speed. | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:11 - Aug 10 with 1330 views | TheBlob |
How come every other club seems to be up to speed then? | |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:17 - Aug 10 with 1312 views | francisbowles |
Don't think they are, and before anyone says what about Charlton? It is a lot easier defending a lead at home on a hot day than it is chasing a game and I'm not defending anything or making an excuse just adding to a realistic comment | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:28 - Aug 10 with 1278 views | JAPRANGERS |
CR is our manager now rightly or wrongly so let's give him a chance to get it right. What is getting it right this season?? Think just avoiding relegation will be a result. So we are bound to lose a fair number of games in the process. |  | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:47 - Aug 10 with 1237 views | whittocksRs |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 15:19 - Aug 10 by paulparker |
well I can say a 1000% I don't want fat sam anywhere near this club
im happy to build from the beginning up , but I cant see what Ramsey brings to us or how he is going to change things
im told he is this great coach, but really where is the evidence of that , it certainly isn't the way we defend as a team or our set pieces
as fotr the long ball we saw plenty of that last season and I worry with polter in the team we will revert back to that
if we had started from scratch with a Warburton, McNamara or Clough then yes a reaction on here to a defeat would have been harsh, its the lack of imagination and fight from ramsey and his teams from February which the fans have every right to be questioning |
The main evidence for Ramsey as a good coach is from pretty much everywhere he's been since becoming a coach, England under-20s, Luton and Spurs, for example. Appreciate that doesn't necessarily make him a good man manager or tactician — the jury remains out on that count.
But I can't see how you can blame Ramsey for the relegation last season. It was Redknapp's team, Redknapp's strategy and Redknapp who left us in in the toilet before bailing because he didn't get any more money to splash.
We weren't great under Ramsey, but we did improve away from home because we stopped approaching them as 'bonus games', and he got Matty Philips playing like a Premier League footballer while trying to blood youngsters.
Blaming Ramsey for our relegation is like blaming fireman for not putting out bushfires. He deserves a chance to build this year with his own team, albeit that he's made a very poor start. | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:53 - Aug 10 with 1211 views | Hayesender |
Should never have got the job, never deserved the job, failed miserably in the 5 months he was in charge for last season.
But, who else do you see excepting the job of being Les and Tonys lap dog? |  |
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 17:01 - Aug 10 with 1191 views | BerkoRanger |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:28 - Aug 10 by JAPRANGERS |
CR is our manager now rightly or wrongly so let's give him a chance to get it right. What is getting it right this season?? Think just avoiding relegation will be a result. So we are bound to lose a fair number of games in the process. |
Agree, but conversely, and being the proverbial glass half full merchant, if a championship team wins every game at home and draws every game away, they get automatic promotion, so we are currently only 1 point behind that target!
I'm expecting major team changes for the Yeovil cup game. | | | |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 17:10 - Aug 10 with 1161 views | Firehoop |
You have to give Chris at least ten games to make a proper judgement for gods sake, we lost on sat because of lack of fitness which a crap pre-season didn't help. Remember there were some good things in the first half and the signs are good. We are gonna lose games but remember what the aim is this season.
We are building and it will take time, promotion is not our aim this season ! Keep the faith peeps.
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| When can we ask for CR to go? on 17:40 - Aug 10 with 1108 views | paulparker |
| When can we ask for CR to go? on 16:47 - Aug 10 by whittocksRs |
The main evidence for Ramsey as a good coach is from pretty much everywhere he's been since becoming a coach, England under-20s, Luton and Spurs, for example. Appreciate that doesn't necessarily make him a good man manager or tactician — the jury remains out on that count.
But I can't see how you can blame Ramsey for the relegation last season. It was Redknapp's team, Redknapp's strategy and Redknapp who left us in in the toilet before bailing because he didn't get any more money to splash.
We weren't great under Ramsey, but we did improve away from home because we stopped approaching them as 'bonus games', and he got Matty Philips playing like a Premier League footballer while trying to blood youngsters.
Blaming Ramsey for our relegation is like blaming fireman for not putting out bushfires. He deserves a chance to build this year with his own team, albeit that he's made a very poor start. |
Not blaming Ramsey for our relegation whatsoever
But our performances under him were pretty woeful with a lot of hoof ball
The defence under Ramsey continues to be awful and besides actually playing Phillips in his correct position I still can't see this coaching guru that people go on about
Half of them are as unfit as me , we can't defend or take a set piece, it's awful and I can't be the only one who can see this
Let's see what the excuses will be if we lose to Yeovil | |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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