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I mean seriously? Did you vote for them when that lying cant Blair was around as well? I find that quite amazing really. A natural wonder of the modern world....
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 13:52 - May 9 with 2035 views
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 13:42 - May 9 by AgedR
"...a non job in the public sector"
Like the thousands of nurses, police, social workers, teachers, rubbish collectors and street cleaners for example.
Where do you think the billions of pounds of cuts are coming from?
If there ever was any low hanging fruit to be picked off by the myth of efficiency savings, it's long gone. This lot is coming off the front line mate.
This whole story that Labour overspent and the Tories wouldn't have is a magnificent piece of propaganda, brilliantly perpetuated by a media which serves its mega wealthy owners vested interests
Voting Tory is the only sensible option for working people is it
At the end of the day they won, congratulations.
It's over.
Good luck.
In the council I work for, the cuts mean that 2000 vulnerable children and 6000 vulnerable adults take almost 50% of the budget now. That means the remaining 250k+ people are fighting to get the services they expect. There is no more low hanging fruit, efficiencies can only be sausage sliced to a certain point when services start to be reduced.
Take money out of youth services, crime goes up; reduce support to the elderly, the NHS takes a bigger hit. There's so little capacity in the sector now some councils will be hard pushed to balance the books and are seriously considering raising council tax to find a way to backfill their budgets. An increase will raise more than the penalty they would get through reduction in their formula grant. Additionally, you can expect to start to pay for a lot more for services that were previously a nominal fee or free, eg large item rubbish disposal.
Lots of well off up their own arses white middle class types in Ealing did with their "vote Labour" stickers in the windows of their million pound houses.
Yes I did vote Labour because I'd prefer to protect public services and the NHS rather than have an extra £1 in my pocket,and an extra £2 in the wealthiest's pockets.
And all the crap about Brown selling off our gold cheaply,why don't we just say that he privatised it,which is the same as the Tories have done with every other resource that this country has ever had,or produced,in order to fund tax cuts for people that barely need them.
I also stopped voting Labour for a while after Blair's deception over the Iraq war,but he isn't the first PM to take us into an needless war.I think that has been going on for years,if not centuries,from leaders of all parties.
I'm quite proud that there are still people in this country who prefer their fellow citizens to benefit over themselves by voting for a party that looks after all its people rather than a priveleged few.
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 14:04 - May 9 with 1985 views
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 13:59 - May 9 by Hayesender
Lots of well off up their own arses white middle class types in Ealing did with their "vote Labour" stickers in the windows of their million pound houses.
Vive Le revolution eh!
Where did they put the cross though ?
With the Metropolitan Elite its all about claiming working class status .
One or two well known Rangers fans fall into that category
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 14:34 - May 9 with 1914 views
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 14:36 - May 9 by HollowayRanger
the best team won more people voted tory than labour its done its over
try again in 2020
What's over? Politics? One election is finished but there are still local elections being counted now, Assembly elections next year and an EU referendum within 2 years.
It's not over - politics is what happens between elections.
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 13:59 - May 9 by Hayesender
Lots of well off up their own arses white middle class types in Ealing did with their "vote Labour" stickers in the windows of their million pound houses.
Vive Le revolution eh!
Is abuse all you've got?
Loads of people in London who own houses worth a million plus are just ordinary working people on ordinary working wages who bought a house at a time when they were affordable to such people. One of my neighbours, a carpenter then a cabbie, just sold up and moved out to the suburbs because his kids have all grown up and left. He got knocking on a million and a half.
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 15:08 - May 9 by kensalriser
Is abuse all you've got?
Loads of people in London who own houses worth a million plus are just ordinary working people on ordinary working wages who bought a house at a time when they were affordable to such people. One of my neighbours, a carpenter then a cabbie, just sold up and moved out to the suburbs because his kids have all grown up and left. He got knocking on a million and a half.
Abuse is what the liberal elite dish out when someone says something they don't agree with.
My mum owns a house worth in the region of 1.2 million in the Bush which she and my old man bought for about 2 grand in the sixties.
I'm talking about the chattering classes who vote Labour, but in reality look down their noses at the likes of me and my proper working class family.
I dn't believe it in the slightest and agree completely that the OBR has added a layer of quality in the governance of the government's fiscal policy that was sadly lacking before.
However, the austerity lie and reasons for its introduction have been patently disproven by all leading players in global economic policy. Olivier Blanchard, the IMF's chief economist said as long ago as 2012 that tax increases and public spending cuts caused more damage to economies than they had anticipated. The compression of public spending has damaged the government's fiscal multipliers to a level that the Tories never anticipated. This is because the original research by Reinhart and Rogoff was flawed; effectively, a policy was put in place on the back of Excel spreadsheet forecasts that had been completed incorrectly.Osborne has cited Reinhart and Rogoff directly in his policy development and it's fundamentally flawed.
Keep on believing a politician who ignores economists and ploughs on with a fiscal policy based on ideological grounds over facts.
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 11:36 - May 9 by rongould
Yes I did seriously vote Labour,as I have done at every election since I was able to vote in 1960. I could no more vote Tory than I could support "the scum" it is no accident that their colours are the same.
i remember labour MP simon Danczuk going on record after last mays euro/council elections that labour need to expand their vote pool of public sector workers, immigrants and people on benefits if they ever hope to govern again.
i dont think eddie izzard in high heels and a garter mincing down glasgow main square with jim murphy is what he had in mind.
also read today that russell brand is stepping back from politics.good , we look forward to seeing you in the east ham working mans club next to west ham fc in your white fur coat and pirate boots again next season mate.
the place simply hasnt been the same without you luvvie.
The Duke Of New York. A-Number One.
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 15:45 - May 9 with 1610 views
I hate that sneering attitude that some people have over voting for certain parties. I voted Labour, I haven't voted Labour before, I generally vote Liberal Democrat but my vote was essentially a Tory vote at the last election because of the coalition and that p1sses me off as I could never knowingly vote to have a Conservative government. And in addition, and this is something I feel very strongly about, when you find out that Labour were the only party who voted in favour of an amendment regarding the Official Secrets Act to ensure that officials could speak out about what they knew on the historic child abuse scandal I know where I'd prefer to stick my vote, thanks
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 15:58 - May 9 with 1549 views
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 15:37 - May 9 by Discodroids
i remember labour MP simon Danczuk going on record after last mays euro/council elections that labour need to expand their vote pool of public sector workers, immigrants and people on benefits if they ever hope to govern again.
i dont think eddie izzard in high heels and a garter mincing down glasgow main square with jim murphy is what he had in mind.
also read today that russell brand is stepping back from politics.good , we look forward to seeing you in the east ham working mans club next to west ham fc in your white fur coat and pirate boots again next season mate.
the place simply hasnt been the same without you luvvie.
We actually agree Disco my old mucker!
Labour needs a complete reinvention. It needs to tackle head on the aspirations and fears of the working people. This means having the debate about migration, Europe, welfare, tax and defence. Openly and without prejudice.
It needs to win hope over the fear.
It is possible, look at Scotland. An 85% turnout built on hope.
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 15:58 - May 9 by AgedR
We actually agree Disco my old mucker!
Labour needs a complete reinvention. It needs to tackle head on the aspirations and fears of the working people. This means having the debate about migration, Europe, welfare, tax and defence. Openly and without prejudice.
It needs to win hope over the fear.
It is possible, look at Scotland. An 85% turnout built on hope.
we agree on a fair few things my old friend!.
not least that i would love to share a pint or two with you
The Duke Of New York. A-Number One.
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 16:07 - May 9 with 1512 views
But the QE that the government have been using to maintain cashflow is EXACTLY how they've maintain spending (their magic money tree). With interest rates at their lowest in decades and the UK having a AAA rating, borrowing now would have been exactly the right thing to do. It would have generated growth at a quicker pace through tax receipts (individual and corporate) and reduced benefits as more people worked. This has been accepted by economists globally and goes to explain partly why some EU states (e,g, Germany) have economies growing faster than the UK.
The Conservatives couldn't tax more; the LibDems wouldn't have agreed and it was fundamentally against their monetary policy.
What we have now is slumped growth and a productivity conundrum which can't be met through government spending because the Conservatives can't be seen to u-turn on austerity.
And why is the defecit so high? Because GDP is so low, any increase in spend has a proportionally higher impact.
I accept you will not change your view - Conservative good, Labour bad m'kay. Similarly, I will not change my view about the delusion that exists around the government's policy on austerity.
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 15:58 - May 9 by AgedR
We actually agree Disco my old mucker!
Labour needs a complete reinvention. It needs to tackle head on the aspirations and fears of the working people. This means having the debate about migration, Europe, welfare, tax and defence. Openly and without prejudice.
It needs to win hope over the fear.
It is possible, look at Scotland. An 85% turnout built on hope.
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 16:17 - May 9 by TheBlob
Built on greed and the Barnett Formula.
i dont understand the barnett formula blob, but i do recall the bloke who devised it said it was a crock of shit and written on the back of a fag packet.
The Duke Of New York. A-Number One.
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 16:42 - May 9 with 1548 views
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 13:52 - May 9 by DWQPR
So you have to be in the higher echolons of society to vote Tory? Well believe it or not there were probably quite a few people who are real working class that also voted Tory as there would have been a few in the higher classes that voted Labour. I've never been a floating voter and annot personally understand this concept, but that is me. I suspect that like most people each party has a few ideas in their manifestos that we could all pick and choose from, it is just that I feel that Tory's bring greater economic stability than Labour ever could and with this more people then benefit.
No you dont need to be, I guess my point was if you are then voting Tory would be a no brainer in the same way that if you are on the lowest rung voting labour would be an obvious choice. For the majority somewhere in the middle there is a more difficult choice. I know lots of working class people voted Tory and Ukip thats essentially why the Tories won.
I dont really have a problem with how anyone voted, The conservatives won fair and square by the rules of the game.
What gets to me and initiated my original response is the dismissive attitude of quite a few posters on here to anyone who's view doesn't coincide with their own, it may be my memory playing tricks on me but i dont remember QPR message boards including this one being quite so nasty and abusive in the past. it seems to be getting progressively worse.
Collectively we don't seem to be able to have reasoned arguments anymore we just choose a stance and try and shout down anyone who wants to explore a different point of view.
Maybe this is just a symptom of an overall trend in society but i find it depressingly sad.
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Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 17:00 - May 9 with 1503 views
Did anyone seriously vote labour? on 16:42 - May 9 by LythamR
No you dont need to be, I guess my point was if you are then voting Tory would be a no brainer in the same way that if you are on the lowest rung voting labour would be an obvious choice. For the majority somewhere in the middle there is a more difficult choice. I know lots of working class people voted Tory and Ukip thats essentially why the Tories won.
I dont really have a problem with how anyone voted, The conservatives won fair and square by the rules of the game.
What gets to me and initiated my original response is the dismissive attitude of quite a few posters on here to anyone who's view doesn't coincide with their own, it may be my memory playing tricks on me but i dont remember QPR message boards including this one being quite so nasty and abusive in the past. it seems to be getting progressively worse.
Collectively we don't seem to be able to have reasoned arguments anymore we just choose a stance and try and shout down anyone who wants to explore a different point of view.
Maybe this is just a symptom of an overall trend in society but i find it depressingly sad.
I agree with this. There are one or two on here obsessed with Labour and the the "the mess they would've made, etc etc." Well they're not going to because the team you supported triumphed, so you can't be right and you can't be wrong, so why keep on about it? There is such a thing as being a 'bad winner'.
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