| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” 10:53 - Aug 21 with 10367 views | Barrowdale |
They can spend it watching that first goal over and over again til they get it through their thick heads that we cant pss around like we’re PSG in a training game.
For christ’s sake stop this utter stupidity! |  | | |  |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:14 - Aug 22 with 3320 views | James1980 |
Not sure we should take to much from that interview. Could be totally wrong, but along with lacking in confidence I would not be surprised if a few players are feeling somewhat guilty. It didn't sound as if RS had 'lost the dressing room' based on Simon's BBC RB interview. So they weren't going into the game with the weight of a disliked manager lifted off their shoulders. Jim wasn't going to say in that PMI. 'Do you know what these players would struggle playing a team of 11 year olds. My word they are absolute dog doo aren't they. Oii Simon me old mucker come over here. Right I quit as interim manager. You need a miracle worker to sort this lot out. Right whose coming to the pub' |  |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:29 - Aug 22 with 3254 views | BillyRudd |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:14 - Aug 22 by James1980 |
Not sure we should take to much from that interview. Could be totally wrong, but along with lacking in confidence I would not be surprised if a few players are feeling somewhat guilty. It didn't sound as if RS had 'lost the dressing room' based on Simon's BBC RB interview. So they weren't going into the game with the weight of a disliked manager lifted off their shoulders. Jim wasn't going to say in that PMI. 'Do you know what these players would struggle playing a team of 11 year olds. My word they are absolute dog doo aren't they. Oii Simon me old mucker come over here. Right I quit as interim manager. You need a miracle worker to sort this lot out. Right whose coming to the pub' |
He vaguely reminded me of Sergeant Wilson. Don,t be a silly Pike, James. | | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:09 - Aug 22 with 3099 views | Toffeemanc |
To be honest after you've watched us play on a Saturday recently every Monday feels like a recovery day to me. This is because it usually takes a couple of days to get the disbelief and frustration of what you've seen out of your system and for workmates to get bored and stop taking the piss.
One things for sure whether we are training or not it doesn't seem to make any difference at the weekends in terms of performance. It seems safe to assume that the training currently being done is either ineffective and not correctly addressing the issues we have or it is just of a poor quality that is seeing no improvement leading to the current dire displays currently seen.
Whoever gets the managers job is going to have a hell of job on to change the current situation. |  |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:13 - Aug 22 with 3090 views | golfaduffy |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:09 - Aug 22 by Toffeemanc |
To be honest after you've watched us play on a Saturday recently every Monday feels like a recovery day to me. This is because it usually takes a couple of days to get the disbelief and frustration of what you've seen out of your system and for workmates to get bored and stop taking the piss.
One things for sure whether we are training or not it doesn't seem to make any difference at the weekends in terms of performance. It seems safe to assume that the training currently being done is either ineffective and not correctly addressing the issues we have or it is just of a poor quality that is seeing no improvement leading to the current dire displays currently seen.
Whoever gets the managers job is going to have a hell of job on to change the current situation. |
Oh so true. Either the coaching and fitness work is substandard, or the players are not good enough. I suspect it is a combination of the two things.
Either way, we need a complete re-set off the pitch as things have only gone worse under BBM and latterly RS. | | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:19 - Aug 22 with 3067 views | D_Alien |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:09 - Aug 22 by Toffeemanc |
To be honest after you've watched us play on a Saturday recently every Monday feels like a recovery day to me. This is because it usually takes a couple of days to get the disbelief and frustration of what you've seen out of your system and for workmates to get bored and stop taking the piss.
One things for sure whether we are training or not it doesn't seem to make any difference at the weekends in terms of performance. It seems safe to assume that the training currently being done is either ineffective and not correctly addressing the issues we have or it is just of a poor quality that is seeing no improvement leading to the current dire displays currently seen.
Whoever gets the managers job is going to have a hell of job on to change the current situation. |
Given the previous coaching roles held by RS, could well be that he was coaching/training as if the players were playing in the Championship or above, and therefore had a higher degree of "footballing intelligence"
If so, no wonder there was some dissonance between what was happening on the training pitch and the L2 pitch. But that also provides a degree of hope that it won't be such a huge job for the incumbent to turn things round; just simplify it, put a smile on their faces and in the medium term create some flexibility around match situations |  |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:08 - Aug 22 with 2924 views | Dalenet |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:09 - Aug 22 by Toffeemanc |
To be honest after you've watched us play on a Saturday recently every Monday feels like a recovery day to me. This is because it usually takes a couple of days to get the disbelief and frustration of what you've seen out of your system and for workmates to get bored and stop taking the piss.
One things for sure whether we are training or not it doesn't seem to make any difference at the weekends in terms of performance. It seems safe to assume that the training currently being done is either ineffective and not correctly addressing the issues we have or it is just of a poor quality that is seeing no improvement leading to the current dire displays currently seen.
Whoever gets the managers job is going to have a hell of job on to change the current situation. |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 08:07 - Aug 23 with 2447 views | RooleyMoorBlue |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:29 - Aug 21 by 442Dale |
Not sure if you noticed how we were kicking off under Stockdale, it was a ball out wide into the opponent’s half. That was perfectly fine. |
Yeah it usually went directly out for a throw in. As for Nelson's back pass, anyone who has ever played football will know that it can happen to anyone. Even the best players in the world do it and you can see it every weekend on EFL highlights or MOTD.
I'm sure the lad feels bad enough without people continually going on about it. It has happened, get over it.
Tonight's result has the potential to be far worse, so at least Saturday can be forgotten about. |  | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 08:28 - Aug 23 with 2413 views | RooleyMoorBlue |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:09 - Aug 22 by Toffeemanc |
To be honest after you've watched us play on a Saturday recently every Monday feels like a recovery day to me. This is because it usually takes a couple of days to get the disbelief and frustration of what you've seen out of your system and for workmates to get bored and stop taking the piss.
One things for sure whether we are training or not it doesn't seem to make any difference at the weekends in terms of performance. It seems safe to assume that the training currently being done is either ineffective and not correctly addressing the issues we have or it is just of a poor quality that is seeing no improvement leading to the current dire displays currently seen.
Whoever gets the managers job is going to have a hell of job on to change the current situation. |
I'd imagine that it has been like that for the past 💯 years, except for the odd exceptional season. To watch us in the 1930's must have been purgatory but crowds were still 2 or 3 times bigger. | | | |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 08:45 - Aug 23 with 2374 views | RooleyMoorBlue |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:39 - Aug 21 by electricblue |
Yes he did state that MONDAY is a recovery day...... |
Monday IS a recovery day after a game on Saturday. This is because injuries, knocks, strains etc. only come to light after a certain period. Fitness can't be assessed the day after a game as the body is recovering from tiredness which masks potential injuries. The 2nd day as anyone who played will know, is the day you feel all the aches and pains and stiffness. Obviously players recover at different rates depending on age/fitness/metabolism but a happy medium has to be met to satisfy the whole squad. | | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 09:05 - Aug 23 with 2342 views | TalkingSutty |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 08:45 - Aug 23 by RooleyMoorBlue |
Monday IS a recovery day after a game on Saturday. This is because injuries, knocks, strains etc. only come to light after a certain period. Fitness can't be assessed the day after a game as the body is recovering from tiredness which masks potential injuries. The 2nd day as anyone who played will know, is the day you feel all the aches and pains and stiffness. Obviously players recover at different rates depending on age/fitness/metabolism but a happy medium has to be met to satisfy the whole squad. |
So if that’s the case and i genuinely don’t know, that would mean that every time we have a Tuesday game the players only have a full training session on Friday. Two of the days are game days and four are recovery days? A ex pro informs me that even if there was a mid week game,Monday was always a full training day and those carrying injuries were assessed, Thursday was a full training day and Friday was used to go through drills and tactics to prepare for the Saturday game. It was about twenty years ago when he played though. If they didn’t perform then they were called in for extra training on the Sunday. If what you are suggesting is the normal format for every club then it obviously works because footballers are probably fitter now than they have ever been. The fact that they don’t get a full training session in between a Saturday afternoon and Tuesday evening does surprise me though. It might be a good question to ask the manager at the next fans forum. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 9:17]
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:04 - Aug 23 with 2148 views | BillyRudd |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 09:05 - Aug 23 by TalkingSutty |
So if that’s the case and i genuinely don’t know, that would mean that every time we have a Tuesday game the players only have a full training session on Friday. Two of the days are game days and four are recovery days? A ex pro informs me that even if there was a mid week game,Monday was always a full training day and those carrying injuries were assessed, Thursday was a full training day and Friday was used to go through drills and tactics to prepare for the Saturday game. It was about twenty years ago when he played though. If they didn’t perform then they were called in for extra training on the Sunday. If what you are suggesting is the normal format for every club then it obviously works because footballers are probably fitter now than they have ever been. The fact that they don’t get a full training session in between a Saturday afternoon and Tuesday evening does surprise me though. It might be a good question to ask the manager at the next fans forum. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 9:17]
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I would agree TS that in general footballers are fitter now than at any other time in history, which is probably the case for all sports.
Unfortunately, from what I am witnessing I cannot say the same about our squad. Teams we have played have a noticeably higher tempo than we do especially when we have possession and they are closing us down. Other than first half spells against Crewe and Grimsby, the only instances we have had time on the ball and looked comfortable with it have been when teams have been ahead and decided to protect what they have.
I can only draw the conclusion that we are either not as fit as them, we are less motivated to the cause, we are being told to play like that, we have a victim mentality or we are bone idle.
If RB is correct about rest days (and I have no idea) then your conclusion of one full training day (if having a Tuesday game) is totally logical.
You would think they would be glad of stretching their legs on match days, with a driving will to win, with all that pent up energy. As yet I remain to be convinced we have that in us. Sincerely hope I am proved wrong, and soon.
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:15 - Aug 23 with 2125 views | EllDale |
A neighbour of my mum's told me that on the morning after the Burton game the first team squad were using the swimming pool on Entwistle Road as part of the recovery schedule from the previous night. | | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:28 - Aug 23 with 2098 views | James1980 |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:15 - Aug 23 by EllDale |
A neighbour of my mum's told me that on the morning after the Burton game the first team squad were using the swimming pool on Entwistle Road as part of the recovery schedule from the previous night. |
As long as they weren't frolicking about with inflatables. | |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:57 - Aug 23 with 2027 views | D_Alien |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:28 - Aug 23 by James1980 |
As long as they weren't frolicking about with inflatables. |
Sorry to report James, but they were. It was part of their zonal marking routine | |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 12:11 - Aug 23 with 1979 views | Brierls |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:57 - Aug 23 by D_Alien |
Sorry to report James, but they were. It was part of their zonal marking routine |
If that's the case, I'd suggest they were impersonating inflatables. Bobbing around, waiting for something to come to them. |  | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:25 - Aug 23 with 1856 views | Dalenet |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:15 - Aug 23 by EllDale |
A neighbour of my mum's told me that on the morning after the Burton game the first team squad were using the swimming pool on Entwistle Road as part of the recovery schedule from the previous night. |
Nothing wrong with that. The players that used to stay at the Norton Grange as part of their loan deals were often in the gym, sauna and pool there. The only exception was Conrad Logan who was often seen exercising in the breakfast room. | | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:46 - Aug 23 with 1810 views | D_Alien |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:25 - Aug 23 by Dalenet |
Nothing wrong with that. The players that used to stay at the Norton Grange as part of their loan deals were often in the gym, sauna and pool there. The only exception was Conrad Logan who was often seen exercising in the breakfast room. |
His mandibles? | |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:52 - Aug 23 with 1788 views | DaleiLama |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:46 - Aug 23 by D_Alien |
His mandibles? |
The buffet counter looked like it would take a lot of shifting, but there was a fair amount of visual evidence to suggest he gave it his best shot! |  |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 14:48 - Aug 23 with 1701 views | D_Alien |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 13:52 - Aug 23 by DaleiLama |
The buffet counter looked like it would take a lot of shifting, but there was a fair amount of visual evidence to suggest he gave it his best shot! |
Or took his kitbag and 'saved' some for later | |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 14:57 - Aug 23 with 1685 views | TalkingSutty |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 11:04 - Aug 23 by BillyRudd |
I would agree TS that in general footballers are fitter now than at any other time in history, which is probably the case for all sports.
Unfortunately, from what I am witnessing I cannot say the same about our squad. Teams we have played have a noticeably higher tempo than we do especially when we have possession and they are closing us down. Other than first half spells against Crewe and Grimsby, the only instances we have had time on the ball and looked comfortable with it have been when teams have been ahead and decided to protect what they have.
I can only draw the conclusion that we are either not as fit as them, we are less motivated to the cause, we are being told to play like that, we have a victim mentality or we are bone idle.
If RB is correct about rest days (and I have no idea) then your conclusion of one full training day (if having a Tuesday game) is totally logical.
You would think they would be glad of stretching their legs on match days, with a driving will to win, with all that pent up energy. As yet I remain to be convinced we have that in us. Sincerely hope I am proved wrong, and soon.
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I asked a question at the fans forum which related to the suitability of the training set up down at the cricket club. The reason i asked it was two fold, our inability to defend set pieces and i have also seen a few players literally gasping for breath thirty minutes into the game unable to get up and down the pitch, blowing out of their backsides, the intensity of the game was too much and they couldn't play a pressing game. Two midfield players who i am reluctant to mention because maybe they might be carrying injuries. My question was answered by Stockdale and apparently there is no full sized pitch for us to train on at the cricket club , whether that contributes to our problems i don't really know but surely that can't be good for a professional football club. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 15:00]
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 15:01 - Aug 23 with 1672 views | AtThePeake |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 14:57 - Aug 23 by TalkingSutty |
I asked a question at the fans forum which related to the suitability of the training set up down at the cricket club. The reason i asked it was two fold, our inability to defend set pieces and i have also seen a few players literally gasping for breath thirty minutes into the game unable to get up and down the pitch, blowing out of their backsides, the intensity of the game was too much and they couldn't play a pressing game. Two midfield players who i am reluctant to mention because maybe they might be carrying injuries. My question was answered by Stockdale and apparently there is no full sized pitch for us to train on at the cricket club , whether that contributes to our problems i don't really know but surely that can't be good for a professional football club. [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 15:00]
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And I suspect one of the first questions a potential new manager might ask the club would be regarding training facilities. |  |
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 15:24 - Aug 23 with 1582 views | TalkingSutty |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 15:01 - Aug 23 by AtThePeake |
And I suspect one of the first questions a potential new manager might ask the club would be regarding training facilities. |
I'm hoping so. The cricket club seems like a nice set up and it's on the doorstep but if it's not really ticking all the boxes then maybe the club will have to look at a bit of a mix and match, still use the CC for certain aspects of training and rent a complex for maybe a couple of days per week elsewhere? I know we used to rent Platt Lane in Moss Side. A few years ago Hill did comment that there was nowhere suitable in the borough with enough pitches for us to train and he also mentioned the neccessity for a all weather pitch to be available. I'm sure he said that you have to have two full sized football pitches. The arrangement at the CC probably suits both parties and is a good set up for the players with catering and recreation facilities on site but that isn't the priority when it comes to training. | | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 15:32 - Aug 23 with 1547 views | EllDale |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 15:01 - Aug 23 by AtThePeake |
And I suspect one of the first questions a potential new manager might ask the club would be regarding training facilities. |
Especially someone such as Artell who is accustomed to the state of the art facility at Crewe. | | | |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 19:03 - Aug 23 with 1313 views | TalkingSutty |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 15:32 - Aug 23 by EllDale |
Especially someone such as Artell who is accustomed to the state of the art facility at Crewe. |
Well i think somebody with experience of the lower leagues and what is required to pull a struggling club up by it's breeches is definitely required. No disrespect to all of those in the Boardroom and the majority of staff at the club, there is hardly anybody with any experience of how best to support the manager and what is really required at this level. None of them are football people, they have all been successful in other walks of life and are learning on the job when it comes to the footballing side. A proper football man with a strong character who has had success would not only benefit the players but would also prove to be very valuable when it came to advising the Chairman and Directors going forward. It would benefit the whole of the club i think. Those in the Boardroom are doing us all proud but to expect them to have the experience to cover all bases so soon is asking too much i think, especially with the off field battle still going on. I mentioned Flitcroft but it doesn't have to be him, somebody similar who knows his way around a football club and what is needed, maybe Artell does tick a lot of those boxes? [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 19:08]
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| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 19:40 - Aug 23 with 1240 views | D_Alien |
| Seeing as Monday is a “recovery day!” on 19:03 - Aug 23 by TalkingSutty |
Well i think somebody with experience of the lower leagues and what is required to pull a struggling club up by it's breeches is definitely required. No disrespect to all of those in the Boardroom and the majority of staff at the club, there is hardly anybody with any experience of how best to support the manager and what is really required at this level. None of them are football people, they have all been successful in other walks of life and are learning on the job when it comes to the footballing side. A proper football man with a strong character who has had success would not only benefit the players but would also prove to be very valuable when it came to advising the Chairman and Directors going forward. It would benefit the whole of the club i think. Those in the Boardroom are doing us all proud but to expect them to have the experience to cover all bases so soon is asking too much i think, especially with the off field battle still going on. I mentioned Flitcroft but it doesn't have to be him, somebody similar who knows his way around a football club and what is needed, maybe Artell does tick a lot of those boxes? [Post edited 23 Aug 2022 19:08]
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Great comment, TS | |
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