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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
General Election Thread on 14:07 - Jun 13 by SheffieldHoop
Actually, it's still declined by more in other parts of the world where the Evil Tories aren't in government, and the rest of the world is still clamoring to come here despite the Evil Tory Government trying to kill us. Strange how the world works.
That's just whataboutery and doesn't change the facts in the UK.
There were plenty of countries that did not see a declining life expectancy before Covid such as Italy and Finland.
Tory austerity was to blame for the fall in UK life expectancy post 2011.
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General Election Thread on 15:55 - Jun 13 with 1778 views
General Election Thread on 15:44 - Jun 13 by SheffieldHoop
The UK public has been telling the political class for basically 2 decades now that Immigration is too high. It's not just me, fella.
A minority who never shut up insisting they’re a silent majority have, yes. But then we live in a representative democracy where they’re at least meant to act in our best interests even if those aren’t what some or even most of us want.
Like most things there’s no obvious big majority opinion. As a country we’re spilt more or less down the middle.
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General Election Thread on 16:00 - Jun 13 with 1752 views
General Election Thread on 15:55 - Jun 13 by Watford_Ranger
A minority who never shut up insisting they’re a silent majority have, yes. But then we live in a representative democracy where they’re at least meant to act in our best interests even if those aren’t what some or even most of us want.
Like most things there’s no obvious big majority opinion. As a country we’re spilt more or less down the middle.
There is no big majority opinion..........So let's just open our borders and let everyone in then yeah? The open borders fanatics have had it their way for a long time. The faintest hint of Brexit (But still with open borders because we're woke) and you all piss your pants and start calling everything and everyone "far right"
Again, I basically agree, I was much closer to the center myself not too long ago, but it seems as time goes on I get pushed further and further right because the British Government is consistently acting in the interests of the global majority, and not the British Minority.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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General Election Thread on 16:18 - Jun 13 with 1693 views
General Election Thread on 16:11 - Jun 13 by SheffieldHoop
There is no big majority opinion..........So let's just open our borders and let everyone in then yeah? The open borders fanatics have had it their way for a long time. The faintest hint of Brexit (But still with open borders because we're woke) and you all piss your pants and start calling everything and everyone "far right"
Again, I basically agree, I was much closer to the center myself not too long ago, but it seems as time goes on I get pushed further and further right because the British Government is consistently acting in the interests of the global majority, and not the British Minority.
You’re ranting about something I’ve not even got close to saying.
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General Election Thread on 17:02 - Jun 13 with 1627 views
General Election Thread on 13:33 - Jun 13 by SheffieldHoop
"Many - probably most - who voted for Brexit wanted to cut immigration, which has since soared."
Why do people seem to accept, or even gleefully point this out? All it means is that the people have voted for something and the opposite has happened. Do you really expect people are just going to be content with that? When the UK Public votes against immigration, consistently, for 20-odd years and the numbers just keep going up.....Do you really think that is good for democracy? Like maybe high immigration suits your personal agenda - But in the bigger picture, does it not concern you? Does it not make you wonder what might happen next when the politicians treat their electorate with so much contempt?
So you have significant labour shortages in nursing, social care, hospitality, construction. If you aren't prepared to accept immigration, what's your solution?
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one’s lifetime. (Mark Twain)
Find me on twitter @derbyhoop
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General Election Thread on 17:19 - Jun 13 with 1604 views
General Election Thread on 15:20 - Jun 13 by SheffieldHoop
So fitting that the institutionalized rape of several thousands of UK children is deemed a "boredom / annoyance" by our political class.
Meanwhile, we're spending millions on DEI programs, hunting for the institutional racism boogeyman. What a country. What a time to be alive.
We all get that you are a Tory supporter who is prepared to excuse v all the errors that have been made over the last 14 years. But you're changing course more often and sharper than a downhill skier.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one’s lifetime. (Mark Twain)
Find me on twitter @derbyhoop
General Election Thread on 17:02 - Jun 13 by derbyhoop
So you have significant labour shortages in nursing, social care, hospitality, construction. If you aren't prepared to accept immigration, what's your solution?
Immigration is partly why we have significant shortages in the first place. Immigration doesn't just fill vacant posts in healthcare or construction or hospitality.......It also adds demand in all of those sectors. Pretending you can solve "labour shortages" by throwing more people at the problem is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The reality is we need to become more self-sufficient and stop relying so much on the labour of others.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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General Election Thread on 17:32 - Jun 13 with 1544 views
General Election Thread on 17:19 - Jun 13 by derbyhoop
We all get that you are a Tory supporter who is prepared to excuse v all the errors that have been made over the last 14 years. But you're changing course more often and sharper than a downhill skier.
Tory supporter in what sense? As I've already said, I want the Tories to win precisely Zero seats at the next general election.
This is our country and our children's future at stake here. Not a fcking tribal Red vs Blue sports rivalry, which you (And many of the other Neo Libs on here) appear to be boiling it down to. The Tories are not good guys, just to make that clear for you once again, but neither are Labour.
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"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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General Election Thread on 17:48 - Jun 13 with 1509 views
I called out to the wife “just off to the pub darling” She said “I thought you'd taken Rishi's advice and started saving up for Starmer's tax hit” Funny how with Tories it's always Maggie, Boris, Rishi, but it's surnames when it comes to Labour.
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General Election Thread on 18:56 - Jun 13 with 1411 views
General Election Thread on 17:32 - Jun 13 by SheffieldHoop
Tory supporter in what sense? As I've already said, I want the Tories to win precisely Zero seats at the next general election.
This is our country and our children's future at stake here. Not a fcking tribal Red vs Blue sports rivalry, which you (And many of the other Neo Libs on here) appear to be boiling it down to. The Tories are not good guys, just to make that clear for you once again, but neither are Labour.
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I don’t think many on here are making this a tribal red/blue! The overwhelming view is the Tories need to be shifted out, but people have different views on what the solutions are and which party to give their vote to. Pretty sure everyone thinks Labour are underwhelming, not much different to the Tories, but still the lesser evil, albeit people might give their vote to Reform, LDs or the Greens as well.
What are your solutions?
Who are you going to vote for?
My guess is Reform, which is fine. I’m just interested. If you don’t want to say, fair enough. But surely you can understand why some think you would be a Tory based on what you’ve posted?
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General Election Thread on 19:10 - Jun 13 with 1365 views
The older I get the more I think, I just want people in charge who serve us, and not themselves and their mates… wishful thinking
Sunak and Starmer both at the their core feel relatively centrist and looking more widely it feels like extremes (right) on the rise in Europe will be the future battleground when the next election cycle hits.
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General Election Thread on 19:18 - Jun 13 with 1338 views
General Election Thread on 17:25 - Jun 13 by SheffieldHoop
Immigration is partly why we have significant shortages in the first place. Immigration doesn't just fill vacant posts in healthcare or construction or hospitality.......It also adds demand in all of those sectors. Pretending you can solve "labour shortages" by throwing more people at the problem is a self-fulfilling prophecy. The reality is we need to become more self-sufficient and stop relying so much on the labour of others.
But you have given zero credible solutions about how we become more "self sufficient".
Force people (white people I'm guessing would be your preference) to breed more?
Raise the retirement age to 90?
Massively increase wages to get more home grown people back in the work force (your right wing politicians would love that solution!)
Massively increase spending in education and training (ditto to that one, did I miss Sunak or Farage calling for that?)
Turn un-qualified people into doctors and nurses? (Even if we started tomorrow training more doctors it would take at least 7 years for them to qualify)
Stop unemployment pay?
Send someone with a year's wait for an NHS operation back to work?
The NHS has 74,00 vacancies alone - send the immigrants "home" and how many vacancies do you think it would have then?
Brexit/ Reform supporters equate running a country with sounding off with pub-bore slogans. If only it were so easy!
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General Election Thread on 19:27 - Jun 13 with 1303 views
Another debate on ITV tonight featuring mostly reserve players or those you haven’t heard of (I assume he’s the Plaid leader but doubt he gets recognised in his own house).
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General Election Thread on 19:29 - Jun 13 with 1290 views
Off to see Andrew Lawrence at the Joker comedy club at the chalkwell park rooms , Chalkwell tomorrow night. Not to many peoples taste on here i would imagine but at £3.50 a pint for amstel and £7 for Chicken balti and roti , i bent the wifes arm, and shes's a Lib Dem voter!
never has love crossed such boundries...
Take a breather from brexit lads and look forward to the Euro's.
this time, we'll get it right.
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".... You are the... Duke of New York... You're A-Number One!".
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General Election Thread on 19:36 - Jun 13 with 1278 views
Good to see that when we do have these threads everybody still thinks the same thing as they did before, and it still goes round in the same circles, and nobody thinks any different by the end.
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General Election Thread on 19:45 - Jun 13 with 1245 views
General Election Thread on 19:36 - Jun 13 by Northernr
Good to see that when we do have these threads everybody still thinks the same thing as they did before, and it still goes round in the same circles, and nobody thinks any different by the end.
Agreed.
It’s less a debate about politics and more a debate about dying on a certain hill.
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General Election Thread on 20:08 - Jun 13 with 1175 views
Hard to express my level of contempt for what used to be the conservative party and those Labour %%%%s., not sure which I despise most. And nowadays, the Liberals are the biggest fascists of all. I genuinely hate the lot of them.
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General Election Thread on 20:14 - Jun 13 with 2127 views
General Election Thread on 20:14 - Jun 13 by Northernr
Go on then, let's try and make it productive and have everybody's...
- top three learnings from the thread so far? - And are you voting any different to how you were at the start?
1) The SDP have come a long way since the coup in the 80s 2) A lot of former Tory voters aren’t voting for them this time 3) Brexit still a voting motivator
And yeah, I’m voting differently to how I was when the thread was formed, but not because of it.
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General Election Thread on 20:29 - Jun 13 with 2033 views
General Election Thread on 19:18 - Jun 13 by Stainrod
But you have given zero credible solutions about how we become more "self sufficient".
Force people (white people I'm guessing would be your preference) to breed more?
Raise the retirement age to 90?
Massively increase wages to get more home grown people back in the work force (your right wing politicians would love that solution!)
Massively increase spending in education and training (ditto to that one, did I miss Sunak or Farage calling for that?)
Turn un-qualified people into doctors and nurses? (Even if we started tomorrow training more doctors it would take at least 7 years for them to qualify)
Stop unemployment pay?
Send someone with a year's wait for an NHS operation back to work?
The NHS has 74,00 vacancies alone - send the immigrants "home" and how many vacancies do you think it would have then?
Brexit/ Reform supporters equate running a country with sounding off with pub-bore slogans. If only it were so easy!
I just want to point out the unsavoury and unwarranted accusation in your post:
"Force people (white people I'm guessing would be your preference) to breed more?"
I think SheffieldHoop has been fairly scrupulous in replying to all the different posters who have (apparently) taken umbrage with his point of view, but nothing that he has said warrants your (IMO) snide accusation.
What I find interesting is that the most hostile and ad hominem posts in this thread have come from those who position themselves on the 'liberal left', who are, supposedly, the inclusive and 'progressive' class.
No one has a monopoly on what is 'right' or 'wrong', no one's opinions are more valid than anyone else's and all morals are subjective.
Our local and long standing Tory MP knocked on my door yesterday and Introduced himself and duly started his spiel, after about 20-30 seconds of his spiel I interrupted him and started my very own spiel along the lines of how when Johnson was Prime Minister his lying to all and sundry left me cold and still does and somewhat furious, I also started to mention the complete and utterly embarrassing shambles his successor Liz Truss was, at this point I think he got the point and he and his Two companions started to quietly mumble to themselves thanked me for my time and bade me farewell.
My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic.
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