| New England Kit on 18:44 - Mar 23 with 2567 views | loftupper |
| New England Kit on 15:30 - Mar 23 by kensalriser |
Countries are kind of bullshit anyway. Mostly arbitrary.
I do still support England and always will but I really couldn't care less about an oddly coloured cross on the back of the shirt collar. What a thing to lather yourself up about. Come to think of it, as an atheist I'd be fine with dumping the cross altogether and having a new flag, it doesn't mean anything to me. Foreign religion, foreign saint. |
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| New England Kit on 18:48 - Mar 23 with 2555 views | thame_hoops |
The cost is ridiculous, has anyone had any experience from buying from DHgate? They are absolutely superb and I’ve brought several over the last couple of years for my GF’s lad. I swear you wouldn’t know the difference, even come with tags. £13 with postage and delivered in a couple weeks |  | | |
| New England Kit on 19:12 - Mar 23 with 2496 views | Malintabuk |
| New England Kit on 18:48 - Mar 23 by thame_hoops |
The cost is ridiculous, has anyone had any experience from buying from DHgate? They are absolutely superb and I’ve brought several over the last couple of years for my GF’s lad. I swear you wouldn’t know the difference, even come with tags. £13 with postage and delivered in a couple weeks |
Yep agree. I bought the menace top from the club shop .... but bought the gray GK Jersey and the England top from DH Gate and they are really good... | | | |
| New England Kit on 23:05 - Mar 23 with 2293 views | Metallica_Hoop |
We've been using the cross of St George for 833 years.
If you don't like the history, fair enough. [Post edited 23 Mar 23:21]
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| New England Kit on 07:53 - Mar 24 with 2107 views | joe90 |
| New England Kit on 23:05 - Mar 23 by Metallica_Hoop |
We've been using the cross of St George for 833 years.
If you don't like the history, fair enough. [Post edited 23 Mar 23:21]
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According to a kit designer the England flag has only featured on about 6 England kits and only became a regular design feature in the 2000’s.
So there’s no great history or tradition associated with it when it comes to the England kit. |  | | |
| New England Kit on 08:06 - Mar 24 with 2088 views | joe90 |
| New England Kit on 14:25 - Mar 22 by daveB |
Of course it's up to Nike and the FA to design an England kit, stick what you want on it as far as I'm concerned. If they want to have a lion on it or a picture of Kate Middleton crack on. if they want to put an English flag on it they can or they could choose not to, I personally don't care either way
I just think if they put an English flag on it and decide to change the colours for a bit of a laugh it's not the best idea they've come up with and the deserve all the stick they are getting for it.
Why don't they change their own logo on it as well, put a cross instead of a tick or change the tick colour from black to orange with a hint of salmon to express a feeling of unity?
Or re design the USA kit, change the stars to pink on a green background and instead of red and white stripes incorporate all the colours to show how unified America is.
We could change the German one to white and Green or stick pictures of Lorraine Kelly and Rod Stewart in the Cross of the flag of Scotland.
Of course these would be a completely stupid things to do which is why it is baffling why they have chosen to redesign the English one |
I think it’s fine to change the flag. It doesn’t mean much and those who feel strongly about it either can’t articulate why or should really think about why it makes them feel so insecure.
The England flag is a design nightmare for or a number of reasons. It’s ugly/boring, is associated with the far-right (EDL), it’s not a symbol that unites the nation, and the type of people who are complaining about aren’t people you want wearing the shirt.
US nationalism is nothing to admire and now Germany have signed a kit deal with Nike maybe they will have some funky designs? [Post edited 24 Mar 8:08]
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| New England Kit on 08:48 - Mar 24 with 2058 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| New England Kit on 08:06 - Mar 24 by joe90 |
I think it’s fine to change the flag. It doesn’t mean much and those who feel strongly about it either can’t articulate why or should really think about why it makes them feel so insecure.
The England flag is a design nightmare for or a number of reasons. It’s ugly/boring, is associated with the far-right (EDL), it’s not a symbol that unites the nation, and the type of people who are complaining about aren’t people you want wearing the shirt.
US nationalism is nothing to admire and now Germany have signed a kit deal with Nike maybe they will have some funky designs? [Post edited 24 Mar 8:08]
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Interesting you mention Germany, its all kicked off over there due to them dropping Adidas for Nike. Politicians, both right and left it should be added, spouting the usual nonsense about how the German FA should of been more patriotic blah blag blah.
Nike offered £50m more than Adidas, simple as that.
As for the St George's flag furore, couldn't care less. Its always been 3 Lions for me.
Also, it's a fcking football shirt. Don't like it, don't buy it. | | | |
| New England Kit on 12:27 - Mar 24 with 1957 views | PunteR |
I get the furore of the st Georges cross being tampered with by Nike.
As QPR fans we pretty much unanimously hated the kits Nike produced for us, mainly because they didn't consider what the shirt meant to us fans, Hoops too thin, Hoops didn't go all the way round etc. It was just some generic shirt and design.
Just big Corp doing big Corp things.
Its the England flag and it means a lot to people, especially England's football fans.
Its just stirs things up and everyone, whatever side of the woke fence you're on, can jump all over it online.
Its divisive, basically.
I don't even know what the colours are suppose to be representing (maybe nothing) as its not even the rainbow colours. So i'm not sure why they felt the need to change the colour of a national flag.?
Nice way to start the tournament though, with England supporters arguing with each other over over this. I bet Gareth Southgate loves it.
Me, personally am not too bothered about the colours and if we win the tournament i doubt many others will be too. But i get it. It looks a pretty cynical move by Nike, and without consulting the people who this probably means the most too. [Post edited 24 Mar 16:03]
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| New England Kit on 16:39 - Mar 24 with 1871 views | Dorse |
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| New England Kit on 10:34 - Mar 25 with 1696 views | TheChef |
| New England Kit on 12:27 - Mar 24 by PunteR |
I get the furore of the st Georges cross being tampered with by Nike.
As QPR fans we pretty much unanimously hated the kits Nike produced for us, mainly because they didn't consider what the shirt meant to us fans, Hoops too thin, Hoops didn't go all the way round etc. It was just some generic shirt and design.
Just big Corp doing big Corp things.
Its the England flag and it means a lot to people, especially England's football fans.
Its just stirs things up and everyone, whatever side of the woke fence you're on, can jump all over it online.
Its divisive, basically.
I don't even know what the colours are suppose to be representing (maybe nothing) as its not even the rainbow colours. So i'm not sure why they felt the need to change the colour of a national flag.?
Nice way to start the tournament though, with England supporters arguing with each other over over this. I bet Gareth Southgate loves it.
Me, personally am not too bothered about the colours and if we win the tournament i doubt many others will be too. But i get it. It looks a pretty cynical move by Nike, and without consulting the people who this probably means the most too. [Post edited 24 Mar 16:03]
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Divide and conquer.
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| New England Kit on 10:40 - Mar 25 with 1682 views | loftupper |
| New England Kit on 12:27 - Mar 24 by PunteR |
I get the furore of the st Georges cross being tampered with by Nike.
As QPR fans we pretty much unanimously hated the kits Nike produced for us, mainly because they didn't consider what the shirt meant to us fans, Hoops too thin, Hoops didn't go all the way round etc. It was just some generic shirt and design.
Just big Corp doing big Corp things.
Its the England flag and it means a lot to people, especially England's football fans.
Its just stirs things up and everyone, whatever side of the woke fence you're on, can jump all over it online.
Its divisive, basically.
I don't even know what the colours are suppose to be representing (maybe nothing) as its not even the rainbow colours. So i'm not sure why they felt the need to change the colour of a national flag.?
Nice way to start the tournament though, with England supporters arguing with each other over over this. I bet Gareth Southgate loves it.
Me, personally am not too bothered about the colours and if we win the tournament i doubt many others will be too. But i get it. It looks a pretty cynical move by Nike, and without consulting the people who this probably means the most too. [Post edited 24 Mar 16:03]
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The colours are taken from the 1966 England training kit. As both Nike and the FA have repeatedly said.
Crazy that people are so sensitive these days, | | | |
| New England Kit on 10:48 - Mar 25 with 1666 views | daveB |
| New England Kit on 08:06 - Mar 24 by joe90 |
I think it’s fine to change the flag. It doesn’t mean much and those who feel strongly about it either can’t articulate why or should really think about why it makes them feel so insecure.
The England flag is a design nightmare for or a number of reasons. It’s ugly/boring, is associated with the far-right (EDL), it’s not a symbol that unites the nation, and the type of people who are complaining about aren’t people you want wearing the shirt.
US nationalism is nothing to admire and now Germany have signed a kit deal with Nike maybe they will have some funky designs? [Post edited 24 Mar 8:08]
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so those complaining about it are not people you want wearing the shirt?
blimey, hate to break it to you but not every English person who has some pride in the country is a racist, we're not all white either or on EDL marches
Why is it fine to change a countries flag? I 'd agree they don't have to put it on the kit at all and there would be no issue really if they just left it off the kit, as Southgate said the 3 Lions badge is more important for the England team, it's the idea of re designing a countries flag that i have an issue with. I just find the whole thing utterly bizarre [Post edited 25 Mar 10:51]
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| New England Kit on 10:57 - Mar 25 with 1651 views | PunteR |
| New England Kit on 10:40 - Mar 25 by loftupper |
The colours are taken from the 1966 England training kit. As both Nike and the FA have repeatedly said.
Crazy that people are so sensitive these days, |
Ok I didn't know that was the reason for the colour scheme.
Even so , surely they must realise changing the colour of a nation flag might course some controversy.?
I don't think it's that difficult to understand people's emotions towards it either. | |
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| New England Kit on 11:06 - Mar 25 with 1632 views | Lblock |
| New England Kit on 08:06 - Mar 24 by joe90 |
I think it’s fine to change the flag. It doesn’t mean much and those who feel strongly about it either can’t articulate why or should really think about why it makes them feel so insecure.
The England flag is a design nightmare for or a number of reasons. It’s ugly/boring, is associated with the far-right (EDL), it’s not a symbol that unites the nation, and the type of people who are complaining about aren’t people you want wearing the shirt.
US nationalism is nothing to admire and now Germany have signed a kit deal with Nike maybe they will have some funky designs? [Post edited 24 Mar 8:08]
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I can only assume your post is designed to be cantankerous?
I'll state now I'm not getting into a deep entrenchment position here or stirring up any political bollox that'll contribute to a 20 page thread.
However I'd wager you know your statements are wrong and contrary.
It does mean a lot - to a lot of people. Plenty of patriots throughout the world love their flags, Englanders no different.
Funnily enough, quite a few of us who the St Georges cross mean a lot to can actually articulate things despite your prejudiced standpoint. All flags give a sense of belonging, symbolism, pride and kinship which people like to unite behind and have a small sense of pride in their nation.
My flag does not make me insecure... far from it.
You may find the cross ugly and boring - your choice and I cannot argue that. For me it is the simplicity that means so much -- it's been uncomplicated for about 800 years and is recognized throughout the world. I do however have a slight preference for the Union Jack in terms of look.
As for it being "associated with the far right (EDL)" I would proffer that just by going from your post that people like yourself will automatically label anyone you see with our flag a racist as long as they tick a few boxes. It does make me laugh that you are more prejudice than most in that respect -- look up the meaning of that word and break it down.
As a symbol that unites the nation I would beg to differ - you'll no doubt see plenty on display this summer until Gareth throws away another chance of success and many will get the bunting out and come together to watch and celebrate.
The type of people complaining are probably those who are passionate about their country and their flag (which seems to make you very uneasy, scared and extremely pompous) and those are most certainly the people I'd want wearing any shirt representing a nation that I designed.
I'm not calling for the purple flags to be burnt, I do find it all it bit posturing from all sides, my feelign is the flag should be the traditional colours. The way it's been interfered with I don't like but I have more important things to get emotive about.
That's that from me [Post edited 25 Mar 11:09]
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| New England Kit on 11:09 - Mar 25 with 1621 views | loftupper |
| New England Kit on 10:57 - Mar 25 by PunteR |
Ok I didn't know that was the reason for the colour scheme.
Even so , surely they must realise changing the colour of a nation flag might course some controversy.?
I don't think it's that difficult to understand people's emotions towards it either. |
Is it a flag though? It’s a symbol at the back of the collar. It’s a playful reference to both the cross and the 1966 team.
I could possibly understand the reaction if it was front and center and the main link to English identity, but I believe that is covered generally by the three lions badge. | | | |
| New England Kit on 11:24 - Mar 25 with 1587 views | daveB |
| New England Kit on 11:09 - Mar 25 by loftupper |
Is it a flag though? It’s a symbol at the back of the collar. It’s a playful reference to both the cross and the 1966 team.
I could possibly understand the reaction if it was front and center and the main link to English identity, but I believe that is covered generally by the three lions badge. |
Nike said it was a playful update to the St Georges Flag, if they hadn't said that I doubt it would have caused much of a stir | | | |
| New England Kit on 11:25 - Mar 25 with 1574 views | thame_hoops |
| New England Kit on 10:40 - Mar 25 by loftupper |
The colours are taken from the 1966 England training kit. As both Nike and the FA have repeatedly said.
Crazy that people are so sensitive these days, |
From what I’ve seen, there was no purple on the 1966 training wear, so it’s odd they would say this | | | |
| New England Kit on 12:02 - Mar 25 with 1530 views | DannyPaddox |
Nike have also playfully updated the Welsh flag and their fans love it. |  | | |
| New England Kit on 14:42 - Mar 25 with 1378 views | saxbend |
Nike are responsible for the worst QPR kits ever. No surprise that their work here is subpar. But blimey the tabloids have gone overboard reacting to the flag on the collar.
Imagine complaining about altering the England flag and pretending that the majority of England fans think that's an outrage, when England fans have a tradition of displaying altered England flags with the name of the country written across the middle to aid some presumably easily-confused people somewhere on the planet.
Get over it Mail and Sun. It's just a disappointing kit design from a company famous for exactly that. Most England fans already have. |  | | |
| New England Kit on 14:57 - Mar 25 with 1347 views | joe90 |
| New England Kit on 11:06 - Mar 25 by Lblock |
I can only assume your post is designed to be cantankerous?
I'll state now I'm not getting into a deep entrenchment position here or stirring up any political bollox that'll contribute to a 20 page thread.
However I'd wager you know your statements are wrong and contrary.
It does mean a lot - to a lot of people. Plenty of patriots throughout the world love their flags, Englanders no different.
Funnily enough, quite a few of us who the St Georges cross mean a lot to can actually articulate things despite your prejudiced standpoint. All flags give a sense of belonging, symbolism, pride and kinship which people like to unite behind and have a small sense of pride in their nation.
My flag does not make me insecure... far from it.
You may find the cross ugly and boring - your choice and I cannot argue that. For me it is the simplicity that means so much -- it's been uncomplicated for about 800 years and is recognized throughout the world. I do however have a slight preference for the Union Jack in terms of look.
As for it being "associated with the far right (EDL)" I would proffer that just by going from your post that people like yourself will automatically label anyone you see with our flag a racist as long as they tick a few boxes. It does make me laugh that you are more prejudice than most in that respect -- look up the meaning of that word and break it down.
As a symbol that unites the nation I would beg to differ - you'll no doubt see plenty on display this summer until Gareth throws away another chance of success and many will get the bunting out and come together to watch and celebrate.
The type of people complaining are probably those who are passionate about their country and their flag (which seems to make you very uneasy, scared and extremely pompous) and those are most certainly the people I'd want wearing any shirt representing a nation that I designed.
I'm not calling for the purple flags to be burnt, I do find it all it bit posturing from all sides, my feelign is the flag should be the traditional colours. The way it's been interfered with I don't like but I have more important things to get emotive about.
That's that from me [Post edited 25 Mar 11:09]
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If you’re going to call me names and lecture me please don’t write rubbish like this:
‘All flags give a sense of belonging, symbolism, pride and kinship’
If you really believe that then I don’t know what to say. I can’t have a discussion with you. | | | |
| New England Kit on 15:15 - Mar 25 with 1324 views | gazza1 |
| New England Kit on 08:06 - Mar 24 by joe90 |
I think it’s fine to change the flag. It doesn’t mean much and those who feel strongly about it either can’t articulate why or should really think about why it makes them feel so insecure.
The England flag is a design nightmare for or a number of reasons. It’s ugly/boring, is associated with the far-right (EDL), it’s not a symbol that unites the nation, and the type of people who are complaining about aren’t people you want wearing the shirt.
US nationalism is nothing to admire and now Germany have signed a kit deal with Nike maybe they will have some funky designs? [Post edited 24 Mar 8:08]
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So poor comments.....of course it is wrong to do what Nike have done or whoever agreed to the new design.
I presume that you are an out & out No11!!!! [Post edited 25 Mar 15:16]
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| New England Kit on 15:26 - Mar 25 with 1296 views | R_from_afar |
| New England Kit on 16:20 - Mar 22 by Hayesender |
The fact of the matter is they wouldn't dare tamper with the Saudi flag, or the Palestine flag, or the Chinese flag, or the Irish or French flags. Why is it only our flag that is fare game for the woke brigade? |
It does seem an odd thing to do to change the colour of the cross. Surely someone involved in the sign-off process must have said: "Hang on, isn't that a bit risky?"
I don't think it is necessary a "woke" move, though, it could just be a poor piece of design compounded by a flawed approval process.
When I was working in marketing at a large automotive company, some of the design concepts our agency came up with were so weird that I did honestly being to wonder if their creative team were taking the mickey out of us.
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| New England Kit on 15:27 - Mar 25 with 1291 views | joe90 |
| New England Kit on 10:48 - Mar 25 by daveB |
so those complaining about it are not people you want wearing the shirt?
blimey, hate to break it to you but not every English person who has some pride in the country is a racist, we're not all white either or on EDL marches
Why is it fine to change a countries flag? I 'd agree they don't have to put it on the kit at all and there would be no issue really if they just left it off the kit, as Southgate said the 3 Lions badge is more important for the England team, it's the idea of re designing a countries flag that i have an issue with. I just find the whole thing utterly bizarre [Post edited 25 Mar 10:51]
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It’s just a bad design feature, nothing more. When people complain about it, they’re not expressing national pride, they’re just complaining. We live in a diverse, regionalised nation, we don’t have unifying national symbols. That is a fact. We may have occasions when we come together, like a football tournament but we’re not united behind one flag.
As I’ve said before, the England flag does not have positive connotations. You may disagree with that, but it’s not a classy symbol. I think the point you’re missing is that this flag waving jingoism is not a positive or unifying expression of national pride.
Out of interest, how do you feel about players not wanting to sing the national anthem, and do you get as annoyed when the EDL march with England flags or are they showing an appropriate amount of national pride? 🤔 [Post edited 25 Mar 15:51]
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| New England Kit on 15:50 - Mar 25 with 1240 views | Discodroids |
| New England Kit on 14:57 - Mar 25 by joe90 |
If you’re going to call me names and lecture me please don’t write rubbish like this:
‘All flags give a sense of belonging, symbolism, pride and kinship’
If you really believe that then I don’t know what to say. I can’t have a discussion with you. |
please educate us high sensei. We Far right, EDL, inarticulate, insecure, ugly /boring untermensch turn to you for nourishment like the lupin turns to the sun each morning.
I award you IIpon for the most patronising post ever commited to Loft for words since Clive first seeded the salted earth of the internet with it. [Post edited 25 Mar 15:53]
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