| whats your experience of the police 11:11 - Mar 7 with 30653 views | libertine |
recently I've had a bit of a negative image of the police, I believe they've got to messed up with political correctness, the reports I've made to them have involved race issues and they would not go near my complaints even insinuating that I was some sort of bigot.
I don't think that they should go back to the 80's police force as they became Margarets private army, they loved her with the 10% pay rise they got.
But I must say that when I really needed help as one of my kids went missing, the police behaved fantastically, efficient emphatic amazingly sharp, I felt safe in their hands.
I've had a couple of bad experiences in the past with obnoxious plastics, who just wanted to have a bit of power.
But the experience when they helped find my daughter completely6 puts thiings in perspective, it made me realise, what the hell would I have done if there were no police.
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| whats your experience of the police on 20:05 - Mar 8 with 1924 views | libertine |
were you at Hilsborough Mr Perch?
exiledclaseboy, the complaints which were made to the police in interview and telephone line which is unfortunately a civilian run call centre, which I think is a gatekeeper type system where the civies try to put one of making complaints so the complaints all don't get to the police, maybe a type of filter system which looks good for the government as crime figures appear to be less.
The complaints made to the police included sexual assault and also theft, both complaints were ignored by the police as soon as race became an issue, to frightened to be called a racist I think, which is in itself racist. When one of mine was surrounded by a group of probably Turkish men and feeling more than a little intimidated, the civy said to her they may have simply found you attractive, her bag and phone was pinched aswell.
I don't blame the police per say I blame the politics involved in the force, I fear it will become worse before better, but the PC brigade will have caused a race war in some parts of the country, by their non intervention.
There is good and bad everywhere but in honesty, I really think its a case of one rotten apple. The police are really up against it, as there will be more riots caused by inequality. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 21:06 - Mar 8 with 1899 views | Lohengrin |
Why would they object? What would your Union have to say if you had a camera trained on you every second of your working day so that your behaviour could be dissected by Personnel?
Attendance at major incidents could be a different argument. |  |
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| whats your experience of the police on 21:13 - Mar 8 with 1895 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 21:06 - Mar 8 by Lohengrin |
Why would they object? What would your Union have to say if you had a camera trained on you every second of your working day so that your behaviour could be dissected by Personnel?
Attendance at major incidents could be a different argument. |
No need for it doing my job. A bit different for the police.
Nobody would look at it unless a complaint was made or a serious incident took place.
I don't see why any law abiding police officer doing their job correctly should mind. Offers them protection from malicious complaints as well.
Someone has already said how sensible and tidy the police seem on those cop programmes. I think I know why. |  | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 21:21 - Mar 8 with 1889 views | dameedna |
| whats your experience of the police on 20:05 - Mar 8 by libertine |
were you at Hilsborough Mr Perch?
exiledclaseboy, the complaints which were made to the police in interview and telephone line which is unfortunately a civilian run call centre, which I think is a gatekeeper type system where the civies try to put one of making complaints so the complaints all don't get to the police, maybe a type of filter system which looks good for the government as crime figures appear to be less.
The complaints made to the police included sexual assault and also theft, both complaints were ignored by the police as soon as race became an issue, to frightened to be called a racist I think, which is in itself racist. When one of mine was surrounded by a group of probably Turkish men and feeling more than a little intimidated, the civy said to her they may have simply found you attractive, her bag and phone was pinched aswell.
I don't blame the police per say I blame the politics involved in the force, I fear it will become worse before better, but the PC brigade will have caused a race war in some parts of the country, by their non intervention.
There is good and bad everywhere but in honesty, I really think its a case of one rotten apple. The police are really up against it, as there will be more riots caused by inequality. |
this week my my wife's cousin is visiting, we were both at h'borough, all 3 of us were in sheffield
I don't see h'brough as a police problem myself, we had a big problem with fans at the game (a minority of course) but it is a long time ago and now have seats
I was also in the leppings lane end for the wednesday v liverpool game the same year, it was not safe
it is regrettable that it was mismanaged so badly and could have been avoided |  | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:02 - Mar 8 with 1860 views | Pacemaker |
| whats your experience of the police on 21:13 - Mar 8 by Humpty |
No need for it doing my job. A bit different for the police.
Nobody would look at it unless a complaint was made or a serious incident took place.
I don't see why any law abiding police officer doing their job correctly should mind. Offers them protection from malicious complaints as well.
Someone has already said how sensible and tidy the police seem on those cop programmes. I think I know why. |
SWP have been wearing cameras in RCT for quite sometime but people complained the police were breaching their human rights by filming them all the time. |  |
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| whats your experience of the police on 22:10 - Mar 8 with 1851 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:02 - Mar 8 by Pacemaker |
SWP have been wearing cameras in RCT for quite sometime but people complained the police were breaching their human rights by filming them all the time. |
How strange. Personally I think it's a great idea.
I don't know if you read the article I posted but in Rialto, California use of force by officers dropped by 60% and complaints against the police dropped by 88% a year after cameras were introduced.
88% is incredible and suggests a major change in the way police deal with the public.
How anyone can be against that amazes me. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:30 - Mar 8 with 1828 views | Pacemaker |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:10 - Mar 8 by Humpty |
How strange. Personally I think it's a great idea.
I don't know if you read the article I posted but in Rialto, California use of force by officers dropped by 60% and complaints against the police dropped by 88% a year after cameras were introduced.
88% is incredible and suggests a major change in the way police deal with the public.
How anyone can be against that amazes me. |
Or if looking from another point of view people interacting with police acted in a less confrontational way?
Who knows probably a bit of both, it was Interesting to read this week that only 28% of police work is anything to do with crime the remainder is the public asking for assistance for other matters. | |
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| whats your experience of the police on 22:35 - Mar 8 with 1821 views | Davillin |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:10 - Mar 8 by Humpty |
How strange. Personally I think it's a great idea.
I don't know if you read the article I posted but in Rialto, California use of force by officers dropped by 60% and complaints against the police dropped by 88% a year after cameras were introduced.
88% is incredible and suggests a major change in the way police deal with the public.
How anyone can be against that amazes me. |
"How anyone can be against it" having only one or two statistics to go on. Is there a study of changes in crime rates or arrests and convictions?
One small city in California is not enough to judge the effectiveness of cameras on policemen. Hell, all of California is not enough.
Nor is there any report on towns elsewhere in the States who have zero or near-zero complaints about police, or rates of use of force. I'd bet anything that there are thousands of towns that have zero-zero results without cameras, and zero or near-zero crime rates, but we don't hear about them because that does not fit the agenda.
p.s. I have no problem with officers wearing cameras because they tend to protect the officers from false charges. There have been a number of such stories in the media recently. |  |
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| whats your experience of the police on 22:35 - Mar 8 with 1821 views | Witneyjack |
Police Officers don't object and the rank and file have called for such equipment. In my Force officers wear them on each tour and they are used in evidence by both the Prosecution and defence if appropriate. |  | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:37 - Mar 8 with 1816 views | Witneyjack |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:10 - Mar 8 by Humpty |
How strange. Personally I think it's a great idea.
I don't know if you read the article I posted but in Rialto, California use of force by officers dropped by 60% and complaints against the police dropped by 88% a year after cameras were introduced.
88% is incredible and suggests a major change in the way police deal with the public.
How anyone can be against that amazes me. |
Or may suggest that a large number of complaints against Police were malicious? | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:41 - Mar 8 with 1805 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:37 - Mar 8 by Witneyjack |
Or may suggest that a large number of complaints against Police were malicious? |
Of course that's possible. As I said, it would protect both the public and the police. That's why I'm for it. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:44 - Mar 8 with 1802 views | Humpty |
I think the only people to be against it are members of the public who make malicious complaints against the police and police officers who don't treat the public properly. Neither of which get any sympathy from me. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:49 - Mar 8 with 1795 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:35 - Mar 8 by Davillin |
"How anyone can be against it" having only one or two statistics to go on. Is there a study of changes in crime rates or arrests and convictions?
One small city in California is not enough to judge the effectiveness of cameras on policemen. Hell, all of California is not enough.
Nor is there any report on towns elsewhere in the States who have zero or near-zero complaints about police, or rates of use of force. I'd bet anything that there are thousands of towns that have zero-zero results without cameras, and zero or near-zero crime rates, but we don't hear about them because that does not fit the agenda.
p.s. I have no problem with officers wearing cameras because they tend to protect the officers from false charges. There have been a number of such stories in the media recently. |
p.s. I have no problem with officers wearing cameras because they tend to protect the officers from false charges. There have been a number of such stories in the media recently.
I agree.
Also I think it would reduce the amount of police officers using unnecessary violence and carrying out false, malicious arrests. I'm sure you want that too. You just forgot to mention it. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:53 - Mar 8 with 1790 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:30 - Mar 8 by Pacemaker |
Or if looking from another point of view people interacting with police acted in a less confrontational way?
Who knows probably a bit of both, it was Interesting to read this week that only 28% of police work is anything to do with crime the remainder is the public asking for assistance for other matters. |
Possibly. Who knows? Still, a win/win situation for all concerned I'm sure you'll agree. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:00 - Mar 8 with 1782 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 22:35 - Mar 8 by Davillin |
"How anyone can be against it" having only one or two statistics to go on. Is there a study of changes in crime rates or arrests and convictions?
One small city in California is not enough to judge the effectiveness of cameras on policemen. Hell, all of California is not enough.
Nor is there any report on towns elsewhere in the States who have zero or near-zero complaints about police, or rates of use of force. I'd bet anything that there are thousands of towns that have zero-zero results without cameras, and zero or near-zero crime rates, but we don't hear about them because that does not fit the agenda.
p.s. I have no problem with officers wearing cameras because they tend to protect the officers from false charges. There have been a number of such stories in the media recently. |
Nor is there any report on towns elsewhere in the States who have zero or near-zero complaints about police, or rates of use of force. I'd bet anything that there are thousands of towns that have zero-zero results without cameras, and zero or near-zero crime rates, but we don't hear about them because that does not fit the agenda
Bit of a strange point with all respect Dav. I'm sure the use of camera in these utopias is hardly going to cause any harm. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:19 - Mar 8 with 1761 views | perchrockjack |
I wasn't at Hillsboro mainly because my team is swansea City , has been all my life so sorry to disappoint.
One of my lads was there thiugh and has been given evidence at Warrington one of the reasons being he saved a lad on the pitch by giving heart massage.
I was on morning duty next day and my section were mainly involved in giving death messages.
CAmeras are often worn on merseyside ..glad to clear that up. |  |
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| whats your experience of the police on 23:30 - Mar 8 with 1749 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:19 - Mar 8 by perchrockjack |
I wasn't at Hillsboro mainly because my team is swansea City , has been all my life so sorry to disappoint.
One of my lads was there thiugh and has been given evidence at Warrington one of the reasons being he saved a lad on the pitch by giving heart massage.
I was on morning duty next day and my section were mainly involved in giving death messages.
CAmeras are often worn on merseyside ..glad to clear that up. |
Perch, do you agree with damedna's assertion that Hillsborough was not a police problem?
I disagree with him very strongly. So did the Taylor Inquiry and every inquiry after that. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:38 - Mar 8 with 1741 views | perchrockjack |
I most certainly do not. Policing was inadequate, criminally planned and appallingly executed.
The senior officers shatvtheselves as it unfolded and their main focus was deflecting blame be it pissed scousers..a view shared by some on here...
The fear was if gates were locked there woukd have been much trouble..and that was possible...they didn't have the balls to come out and say so and the web of deceit got hold .
And yep I had a colleague who lost his son there..
And yet, even mow, in this site ,uou will have seen references to scousers vids a vis playing martyrs. | |
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| whats your experience of the police on 23:49 - Mar 8 with 1734 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:38 - Mar 8 by perchrockjack |
I most certainly do not. Policing was inadequate, criminally planned and appallingly executed.
The senior officers shatvtheselves as it unfolded and their main focus was deflecting blame be it pissed scousers..a view shared by some on here...
The fear was if gates were locked there woukd have been much trouble..and that was possible...they didn't have the balls to come out and say so and the web of deceit got hold .
And yep I had a colleague who lost his son there..
And yet, even mow, in this site ,uou will have seen references to scousers vids a vis playing martyrs. |
Thank you. I completely agree. My view exactly. How damedna came to that conclusion despite of everything we now know is incomprehensible to me.
Incomprehensible and disgusting IMO. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:52 - Mar 8 with 1732 views | Davillin |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:00 - Mar 8 by Humpty |
Nor is there any report on towns elsewhere in the States who have zero or near-zero complaints about police, or rates of use of force. I'd bet anything that there are thousands of towns that have zero-zero results without cameras, and zero or near-zero crime rates, but we don't hear about them because that does not fit the agenda
Bit of a strange point with all respect Dav. I'm sure the use of camera in these utopias is hardly going to cause any harm. |
Probably I was not clear.
The "story" is that cameras keep down crime, improve police performance, and reduce complaints, but they cite only one California city's results.
In an untold number of towns and cities -- without cameras -- the rates are zero-zero, so they don't fit the "story." [Parenthetically, other posters have filled that in.]
I agree that the use of cameras in those cities won't "cause harm," but that wasn't my point. As I said, I think cameras are a good idea because they do protect the police from false accusations; and they help them to establish whether or not a crime was committed, thus also protecting the innocent. | |
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| whats your experience of the police on 23:58 - Mar 8 with 1727 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:52 - Mar 8 by Davillin |
Probably I was not clear.
The "story" is that cameras keep down crime, improve police performance, and reduce complaints, but they cite only one California city's results.
In an untold number of towns and cities -- without cameras -- the rates are zero-zero, so they don't fit the "story." [Parenthetically, other posters have filled that in.]
I agree that the use of cameras in those cities won't "cause harm," but that wasn't my point. As I said, I think cameras are a good idea because they do protect the police from false accusations; and they help them to establish whether or not a crime was committed, thus also protecting the innocent. |
Do you not also agree that cameras may also stop the police from using unnecessary violence, arresting people maliciously and generally acting in a manner that they probably don't want the world to see?
To me that is the more important use of cameras. You don't seem to agree. Wouldn't you like to see those things reduced as well? Or is that not important to you?
Or do you not believe those things happen? | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 00:05 - Mar 9 with 1719 views | dameedna |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:49 - Mar 8 by Humpty |
Thank you. I completely agree. My view exactly. How damedna came to that conclusion despite of everything we now know is incomprehensible to me.
Incomprehensible and disgusting IMO. |
The situation was badly managed by a number of sources. It was a train wreck waiting to happen. The Taylor report is hindsight. Not sure if you remember Heysel and the people there. Have a look at design of stadium and attitudes at the time, all round and walk on. | | | |
| whats your experience of the police on 00:05 - Mar 9 with 1718 views | epaul |
| whats your experience of the police on 23:58 - Mar 8 by Humpty |
Do you not also agree that cameras may also stop the police from using unnecessary violence, arresting people maliciously and generally acting in a manner that they probably don't want the world to see?
To me that is the more important use of cameras. You don't seem to agree. Wouldn't you like to see those things reduced as well? Or is that not important to you?
Or do you not believe those things happen? |
How many innocent people have the american cops killed lately, shocking |  |
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| whats your experience of the police on 00:14 - Mar 9 with 1708 views | Humpty |
| whats your experience of the police on 00:05 - Mar 9 by dameedna |
The situation was badly managed by a number of sources. It was a train wreck waiting to happen. The Taylor report is hindsight. Not sure if you remember Heysel and the people there. Have a look at design of stadium and attitudes at the time, all round and walk on. |
I do remember Heysel. It was a train wreck waiting to happen, if managed as badly as it was by the police. I know about stadium designs and attitudes then. I was a regular Swans fan in the eighties and ever since.
You stated Hillsborough was not a police problem.
I think that's complete and utter f*cking bullshit.
If you think the the Police realising they've caused a massive disaster and then immediately trying to deflect blame from themselves by blaming the dead victims is not a "police problem" then you and I have a very different attitude about what we expect from the police. | | | |
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