| So, students. 09:44 - Sep 27 with 3498 views | onehunglow |
Many spending their time in demoes now find the virus has caught up with them and now they're in lock down.
Hmm
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| So, students. on 20:05 - Sep 27 with 698 views | exhmrc1 |
| So, students. on 19:07 - Sep 27 by Catullus |
On reopening pubs and track and trace we agree. Common sense is lost when alcohol kicks in and yes, we can fight the virus better if we know where it is.
I've come around to Andy1300's opinion, we need to protect the most vulnerable but open up as much as possible otherwise BUT we also need to keep increasing track and trace until the virus is in full retreat.
We should be testing everybody because there are asymptomatic people out there spreading this virus. Every time we find someone with no symptoms but who is infectious we win a small battle |
It isnt practical to test everyone. You would need over 3 million tests for Wales and 66 million across the UK. Many of Wales tests are being done by Lighthouse Labs and they cannot cope now when we are doing 10,000 tests a day. Even if we manage to double the amount that would still mean every person being tested every person being tested approx every 150 days. How many of those would test positive very few. We cannot cope in the UK of just testing those and nowhere in the world is testing everywhere. Our current rate of testing is higher than other places except the system cannot cope,
As far as closing pubs I totally agree and do not think that they should have been opened. If I went with you into a pub how would the landlord know if we were from the same household. The whole nature of pubs makes them problematic.
As far as just protecting the most vulnerable. What do you suggest. Putting all vulnerable people in shielding until we find a vaccination. The best guess on when that will be found is next year sometime and you would have to lock people away for 6 months to a year. What happens if a vaccination isnt found or causes other illnesses. Are you planning locking the vulnerable away for ever. Even if you lockdown the vulnerable they might catch it. Your son could bring it back to you as an example. | | | |
| So, students. on 21:04 - Sep 27 with 667 views | britferry |
Put them all in one room, throw in a few bars of soap and lock the doors... then dont let them out til they've all had a bloody good wash. | |
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| So, students. on 21:06 - Sep 27 with 665 views | Andy1300 |
| So, students. on 20:05 - Sep 27 by exhmrc1 |
It isnt practical to test everyone. You would need over 3 million tests for Wales and 66 million across the UK. Many of Wales tests are being done by Lighthouse Labs and they cannot cope now when we are doing 10,000 tests a day. Even if we manage to double the amount that would still mean every person being tested every person being tested approx every 150 days. How many of those would test positive very few. We cannot cope in the UK of just testing those and nowhere in the world is testing everywhere. Our current rate of testing is higher than other places except the system cannot cope,
As far as closing pubs I totally agree and do not think that they should have been opened. If I went with you into a pub how would the landlord know if we were from the same household. The whole nature of pubs makes them problematic.
As far as just protecting the most vulnerable. What do you suggest. Putting all vulnerable people in shielding until we find a vaccination. The best guess on when that will be found is next year sometime and you would have to lock people away for 6 months to a year. What happens if a vaccination isnt found or causes other illnesses. Are you planning locking the vulnerable away for ever. Even if you lockdown the vulnerable they might catch it. Your son could bring it back to you as an example. |
If you have your way, you’d have us all locked away forever.
What other illness do we lock everyone up for? We don’t! |  |
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| So, students. on 21:13 - Sep 27 with 654 views | Kilkennyjack |
| So, students. on 21:06 - Sep 27 by Andy1300 |
If you have your way, you’d have us all locked away forever.
What other illness do we lock everyone up for? We don’t! |
I am not sure you understand this tbh.
You are trying to wish away a global pandemic.
You may as well try to stop the tides.
Get real that man. |  |
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| So, students. on 21:16 - Sep 27 with 649 views | exhmrc1 |
| So, students. on 21:06 - Sep 27 by Andy1300 |
If you have your way, you’d have us all locked away forever.
What other illness do we lock everyone up for? We don’t! |
I wouldnt lock everyone away. There are 2 areas that particularly cause figures to rise, People bringing in the virus from abroad and pubs where it spreads. Shops opened and the figures continued to drop without people wearing masks. The figures kept dropping when schools opened in June. The problem is now that many other sectors are suffering due to us failing to lockdown these areas. Open up daily figures and have a look at the graph that shows have daily cases have reduced and started increasing. You will see that cases reduced while testing increased but have now started rising and it is nothing to do with testing.
https://t.co/zpWRYSUbfh?amp=1 | | | |
| So, students. on 21:17 - Sep 27 with 644 views | DJack |
| So, students. on 21:06 - Sep 27 by Andy1300 |
If you have your way, you’d have us all locked away forever.
What other illness do we lock everyone up for? We don’t! |
Honestly, what part of "novel virus" do you not understand. |  |
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| So, students. on 21:19 - Sep 27 with 644 views | controversial_jack |
| So, students. on 21:16 - Sep 27 by exhmrc1 |
I wouldnt lock everyone away. There are 2 areas that particularly cause figures to rise, People bringing in the virus from abroad and pubs where it spreads. Shops opened and the figures continued to drop without people wearing masks. The figures kept dropping when schools opened in June. The problem is now that many other sectors are suffering due to us failing to lockdown these areas. Open up daily figures and have a look at the graph that shows have daily cases have reduced and started increasing. You will see that cases reduced while testing increased but have now started rising and it is nothing to do with testing.
https://t.co/zpWRYSUbfh?amp=1 |
Seems like Universities are the hot spots | | | |
| So, students. on 21:28 - Sep 27 with 635 views | Swanjaxs |
| So, students. on 21:19 - Sep 27 by controversial_jack |
Seems like Universities are the hot spots |
Young and nubile .
Away from mam and dads prying eyes.
Drinking and taking all sorts.
Nah, can't see it myself 🤔 |  |
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| So, students. on 21:43 - Sep 27 with 619 views | DJack |
| So, students. on 21:28 - Sep 27 by Swanjaxs |
Young and nubile .
Away from mam and dads prying eyes.
Drinking and taking all sorts.
Nah, can't see it myself 🤔 |
That's why the judge put the injunction on you last time, wasn't it. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| So, students. on 21:51 - Sep 27 with 613 views | Swanjaxs |
| So, students. on 21:43 - Sep 27 by DJack |
That's why the judge put the injunction on you last time, wasn't it. |
Well yes...
But this isn't about me 👀 | |
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| So, students. on 21:58 - Sep 27 with 594 views | pikeypaul |
Hahaha ,the usual suspects trying to politicise the pandemic.students complaining about not being able to go on the p!ss just about sums them and their priorities up, but hey they know they have virtually zero chance of kicking the bucket from it and obviously don’t care a flying feck who they pass it on to.
OUT
AFLI
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| So, students. on 22:04 - Sep 27 with 595 views | Andy1300 |
| So, students. on 21:17 - Sep 27 by DJack |
Honestly, what part of "novel virus" do you not understand. |
That has a 99% survival rate | |
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| So, students. on 22:14 - Sep 27 with 586 views | exhmrc1 |
| So, students. on 21:19 - Sep 27 by controversial_jack |
Seems like Universities are the hot spots |
Universities have only just reopened. Swansea University has the term starting tomorrow as an example. I am not totally convinced that is the real reason and have asked my Senydd member for figures of how many cases locally are students which he doesnt have. What the figures are showing is that double figures in Wales each day are for residents outside of Wales. It could be students. It might be holiday makers. Also had the figures been kept low like they were up until August then there wouldnt have been anything like the same spread. There arent many students in places like Caerphilly, Llanelli and Rhondda Cynon Taf and Ceredigion where Aberystwyth is hasnt had a huge increase or Gwynedd where Bangor university is so i doubt it is the main reason although it might be having an effect in Swansea and Cardiff from overseas students. | | | |
| So, students. on 22:29 - Sep 27 with 578 views | Professor |
| So, students. on 21:19 - Sep 27 by controversial_jack |
Seems like Universities are the hot spots |
No. There are universities In hotspots and often large student populations (Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool). In general the rates in students are the same as local communities. The problem may yet emerge of new cases in areas of low rates. | | | |
| So, students. on 22:36 - Sep 27 with 569 views | Luther27 |
| So, students. on 22:29 - Sep 27 by Professor |
No. There are universities In hotspots and often large student populations (Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool). In general the rates in students are the same as local communities. The problem may yet emerge of new cases in areas of low rates. |
Quick look at Scots cases and it seems nigh on 80% of cases are age 16 to 45 so you may well be right.
Just think if we locked down that age group instead of over 45 as SAGE looked into. | |
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| So, students. on 22:36 - Sep 27 with 568 views | Swanjaxs |
| So, students. on 21:58 - Sep 27 by pikeypaul |
Hahaha ,the usual suspects trying to politicise the pandemic.students complaining about not being able to go on the p!ss just about sums them and their priorities up, but hey they know they have virtually zero chance of kicking the bucket from it and obviously don’t care a flying feck who they pass it on to.
OUT
AFLI
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Take your meds and get yourself off to bed you senile old duffer ...
Keep an eye out for the next door neighbours bum when she cuts the grass btw ðŸ‘ðŸ»
GFY 🇮🇪 | |
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| So, students. on 22:39 - Sep 27 with 566 views | Professor |
| So, students. on 22:04 - Sep 27 by Andy1300 |
That has a 99% survival rate |
You know it’s not binary. Live or die. You can live and be pretty screwed
Up too. May yet have a huge effect on life expectancy. The disease has been around less than a year. But then 1% is only 670,000 lives In the U.K.. Or thirty full Liberty Stadium’s worth. Similar numbers with long term problems and sequelae. Or perhaps you would prefer the approach used for the last big viral outbreak in the U.K. in 2001? Culling suspected infections and contiguous culls i.e neighbours worked well for a more transmissible disease.
And don’t forget the false negative rate is around five times greater than the false positives | | | |
| So, students. on 22:42 - Sep 27 with 565 views | Professor |
| So, students. on 22:36 - Sep 27 by Luther27 |
Quick look at Scots cases and it seems nigh on 80% of cases are age 16 to 45 so you may well be right.
Just think if we locked down that age group instead of over 45 as SAGE looked into. |
Yes. That’s the case. My university (Liverpool) has taken on its own testing and is working closely with the local director of public health. Although we have picked up around 100 positives, it is in line with the expected for 18-24 year olds in the city. | | | |
| So, students. on 22:46 - Sep 27 with 560 views | Professor |
| So, students. on 22:14 - Sep 27 by exhmrc1 |
Universities have only just reopened. Swansea University has the term starting tomorrow as an example. I am not totally convinced that is the real reason and have asked my Senydd member for figures of how many cases locally are students which he doesnt have. What the figures are showing is that double figures in Wales each day are for residents outside of Wales. It could be students. It might be holiday makers. Also had the figures been kept low like they were up until August then there wouldnt have been anything like the same spread. There arent many students in places like Caerphilly, Llanelli and Rhondda Cynon Taf and Ceredigion where Aberystwyth is hasnt had a huge increase or Gwynedd where Bangor university is so i doubt it is the main reason although it might be having an effect in Swansea and Cardiff from overseas students. |
Unlikely students are coming from places with higher rates than the U.K. my friend- this is our making now and importation of new cases is a tiny fraction.
Will do a full reply tomorrow. A lot of misconceptions on here. But you are right about pubs now. | | | |
| So, students. on 22:47 - Sep 27 with 557 views | Professor |
| So, students. on 22:14 - Sep 27 by exhmrc1 |
Universities have only just reopened. Swansea University has the term starting tomorrow as an example. I am not totally convinced that is the real reason and have asked my Senydd member for figures of how many cases locally are students which he doesnt have. What the figures are showing is that double figures in Wales each day are for residents outside of Wales. It could be students. It might be holiday makers. Also had the figures been kept low like they were up until August then there wouldnt have been anything like the same spread. There arent many students in places like Caerphilly, Llanelli and Rhondda Cynon Taf and Ceredigion where Aberystwyth is hasnt had a huge increase or Gwynedd where Bangor university is so i doubt it is the main reason although it might be having an effect in Swansea and Cardiff from overseas students. |
And we have not been shut. Most people have been working extremely hard to deliver teaching this year or supporting Covid research. | | | |
| So, students. on 22:50 - Sep 27 with 554 views | Professor |
| So, students. on 22:46 - Sep 27 by Professor |
Unlikely students are coming from places with higher rates than the U.K. my friend- this is our making now and importation of new cases is a tiny fraction.
Will do a full reply tomorrow. A lot of misconceptions on here. But you are right about pubs now. |
I mean a more general one about the thread- not your comments specifically exhmrc-
They are largely in the right direction | | | |
| So, students. on 22:53 - Sep 27 with 551 views | exhmrc1 |
| So, students. on 22:47 - Sep 27 by Professor |
And we have not been shut. Most people have been working extremely hard to deliver teaching this year or supporting Covid research. |
Sorry I might have worded that badly. I meant closed to most students during the summer. Universities are open and staff are in doing research throughout the summer but the majority of undergrads go home for the summer and return in September. | | | |
| So, students. on 00:20 - Sep 28 with 533 views | controversial_jack |
| So, students. on 22:42 - Sep 27 by Professor |
Yes. That’s the case. My university (Liverpool) has taken on its own testing and is working closely with the local director of public health. Although we have picked up around 100 positives, it is in line with the expected for 18-24 year olds in the city. |
The Glasgow uni has had 172 positive cases out of whatever the student population there is. That would work out considerably higher percentage wise for 18-24 year olds than in any city or town in the UK. | | | |
| So, students. on 07:08 - Sep 28 with 492 views | Professor |
| So, students. on 00:20 - Sep 28 by controversial_jack |
The Glasgow uni has had 172 positive cases out of whatever the student population there is. That would work out considerably higher percentage wise for 18-24 year olds than in any city or town in the UK. |
Over 70k students in Glasgow. If as suggested 80% of cases are in young groups then this is fewer than 50 per 100,000. Slightly higher but not hugely. Remember they have been back longer,
So not unexpected | | | |
| So, students. on 10:05 - Sep 28 with 444 views | controversial_jack |
| So, students. on 07:08 - Sep 28 by Professor |
Over 70k students in Glasgow. If as suggested 80% of cases are in young groups then this is fewer than 50 per 100,000. Slightly higher but not hugely. Remember they have been back longer,
So not unexpected |
That was for the one particular Uni, there aren't 70 k there, surely? | | | |
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