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So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along 11:41 - Mar 1 with 10562 views

And any opposing argument or suggestions that went against the narrative were censored.

Some have been demonised and cancelled for speaking a truth, when the majority were taken in hook line and sinker.

MSM not able to hold the truth in any longer. I'm sure there is much more to come hence the leaders of the time resigning in their droves.

Surely an investigation to get to the bottom of it is a must now and we can put it all to bed once and for all.

read it for yourself here
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/10-myths-told-by-covid-

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:25 - Mar 2 with 1300 views

Scotia

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 15:38 - Mar 2 by A_Fans_Dad

Perhaps you know less about COVID mRNA vaccines and natural immunity than you think you do.
It was specifically designed to provoke an immune response to the COVID19 Spike Protein and not the whole Virus, because it only contains the spike protein and some nasty chemicals.
They tried it with the whole coronavirus with SARS 1 and never got it past animal testing.

It is just one of the reasons that the mRNA vaccines performed so badly against the Omicron Variant, changes to the spike reduce immunity levels.

Guess what Natural Immunity gives you immunity to and not just for a few months?

Or don't you believe the authorities?
The WHO
"Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein."
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci_Brief-Natural_immunity
also
"How long overall protection may last remains unclear, and this may differ depending on the disease severity. For other human coronaviruses (hCoV), hCoV-OC43, hCoV-229E, hCoV-NL63 and hCoV-HKU-1, which cause
the common cold, antibodies last for at least a year after infection with significant inter-human variability, while antibodies to more closely related MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-1, which cause, respectively, middle east respiratory syndrome and severe acute respiratory syndrome, can be detected for years. "

I have already had this discussion about natural immunity and many people already had immunity to COVID19, which is one reason only 712 of the 3711 people on the Diamond Princess caught COVID19 between January 19th and February 18th.
It is also the reason for the millions of asymptomatic cases of COVID.

"Guess what Natural Immunity gives you immunity to and not just for a few months?"

Omicron developed in a population who had, mostly, immunity from prior exposure to earlier variants rather than vaccination.

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:28 - Mar 2 with 1271 views

A_Fans_Dad

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:25 - Mar 2 by Scotia
"Guess what Natural Immunity gives you immunity to and not just for a few months?" Omicron developed in a population who had, mostly, immunity from prior exposure to earlier variants rather than vaccination.

I take it you can provide definitive proof that it did not develop in Mice as the most common hypothesis suggests?

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A_Fans_Dad

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:02 - Mar 2 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth
No it’s a very simple concept and I understand it perfectly.

You most obviously don't.
Otherwise you would have understood that mRNA vaccines do not provide immunity for the whole virus as previous attenuated vaccines and natural immunity do.

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Scotia

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:28 - Mar 2 by A_Fans_Dad
I take it you can provide definitive proof that it did not develop in Mice as the most common hypothesis suggests?

What's that got to do with the population it spread in and your insinuation that natural immunity gives better protection than vaccination ?

If you stopped being wrong you wouldn't need to resort to diversion.

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Joesus_Of_Narbereth

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:30 - Mar 2 by A_Fans_Dad
You most obviously don't. Otherwise you would have understood that mRNA vaccines do not provide immunity for the whole virus as previous attenuated vaccines and natural immunity do.

I think you’ve misread or misunderstood whatever nonsense you’ve read down your bat-shit crazy dark web rabbit hole.

Poll:

We all dream of a managerial team of Alan Tates?

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:03 - Mar 2 with 1240 views

A_Fans_Dad

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:38 - Mar 2 by Scotia
What's that got to do with the population it spread in and your insinuation that natural immunity gives better protection than vaccination ? If you stopped being wrong you wouldn't need to resort to diversion.

It is not an insinuation, it is a scientific fact that Omicron spread more amongst vaccinated than unvaccinated and far more so than unvaccinated who have had COVID.
If you want to argue with the writers of the studies that show this be my guest.
The supposed origin of Omicron is due to transfer from human to mouse where it mutated and then back to humans.

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:05 - Mar 2 with 1239 views

A_Fans_Dad

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 20:02 - Mar 2 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth
I think you’ve misread or misunderstood whatever nonsense you’ve read down your bat-shit crazy dark web rabbit hole.

I am not the one with the misunderstanding, it is from scientific studies and data from the manufacturers of the vaccines, which you obviously are unaware of.
But that is your problem, not mine.

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controversial_jack

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 11:55 - Mar 2 by Scotia
No it wasn't. The first confimed case in China was in October 2019, followed by a mass outbreak in December. It was first confirmed as present in mass surveilance of waste water sample from northern Italy in December 2019 follwed a mass outbreak in February. A two month lag in both cases. It came from China, whether from a lab or wet market doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11-17/COVID-19-was-spre

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27W1J2

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So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:23 - Mar 2 with 1233 views

Joesus_Of_Narbereth

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:05 - Mar 2 by A_Fans_Dad
I am not the one with the misunderstanding, it is from scientific studies and data from the manufacturers of the vaccines, which you obviously are unaware of. But that is your problem, not mine.

No that’s not what I meant. God this is hard work,

I would try to word it in a way a small child might understand but I fear that may be futile,

Poll:

We all dream of a managerial team of Alan Tates?

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Scotia

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:20 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11-17/COVID-19-was-spre https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27W1J2 [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 23:27]

Basically they made up their own tests to identify the virus and they don't work.

It's from bloody China. No doubt about it.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/dispute-over-italian-coronavirus-study-show

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controversial_jack

An antibody test is an antibody test, it's not rocket science. I believe it was circulating in Italy and was taken back to China by workers.Many tourists to Italy also had covid very early on. We all had it dec 2019. Docs said my mother had an unknown virus. It then spread through the Hubei province for approx a month, before the governors of that province informed the Chinese govt. That last bit is fact, but where it started cannot be proven either way and never will. However, it fits the western narrative to blame China

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SullutaCreturned

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:45 - Mar 3 by controversial_jack

You all had it in dec 2019, well that's difficult to prove, impossible now I would say. The inknown virus remains unknown.

What you believe doesn't count for much, what can be proved is what counts.

Italy's first known cases of covid was 2 Chinese tourists who brought it from, yes CHINA.

Your last line is just you trying so hard to be controversial again. Question, have the Chinese ever denied covid started in China?

Back to the OP, of course they lied to us, Hancock lied to us and the politicians lied to the doctors too.

I have just read that the government apparently considered culling all 11 million pet cats in the UK amid fears they were spreading covid, how batshiite crazy is that?

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:50 - Mar 3 with 1111 views

max936

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:44 - Mar 3 by SullutaCreturned

"I have just read that the government apparently considered culling all 11 million pet cats in the UK amid fears they were spreading covid, how batshiite crazy is that? "

I dunno I quite like that idea,

On a serious note, this subject has been done to death and back on here, all threads like this do is attract the usual .....

[Post edited 3 Mar 2023 17:52]

Poll:

Will it Snow this coming Winter

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SullutaCreturned

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:50 - Mar 3 by max936
"I have just read that the government apparently considered culling all 11 million pet cats in the UK amid fears they were spreading covid, how batshiite crazy is that? " I dunno I quite like that idea, On a serious note, this subject has been done to death and back on here, all threads like this do is attract the usual ..... [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 17:52]

Attract the usual......well yes they do, for a while it is fun blowing their nonsense away but it always gets boringafter so many repetitions of the same nonsense.

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:40 - Mar 3 with 1082 views

controversial_jack

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:44 - Mar 3 by SullutaCreturned

Of course i can't prove i had it then as there was no test available. We were all convinced we had it then, according to the symptoms.I had it again in 2021 and it was confirmed although nowhere near as severe.

Yes, it will remain a mystery virus as there was no means to confirm it. Equally, there was no way to confirm it wasn't. I'm convinced i had it then and that's good enough for me.

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:48 - Mar 3 with 1076 views

Scotia

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:40 - Mar 3 by controversial_jack
Of course i can't prove i had it then as there was no test available. We were all convinced we had it then, according to the symptoms.I had it again in 2021 and it was confirmed although nowhere near as severe. Yes, it will remain a mystery virus as there was no means to confirm it. Equally, there was no way to confirm it wasn't. I'm convinced i had it then and that's good enough for me.

Did Italy have to build emergency hospitals in November 2019? Did China in January 2020?

That's really all the proof you need.

Anyway, where has the person who started this thread gone?

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 20:40 - Mar 3 with 1063 views

controversial_jack

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:48 - Mar 3 by Scotia
Did Italy have to build emergency hospitals in November 2019? Did China in January 2020? That's really all the proof you need. Anyway, where has the person who started this thread gone?

No they didn't and neither did China

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 21:53 - Mar 3 with 1050 views

SullutaCreturned

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:48 - Mar 3 by Scotia
Did Italy have to build emergency hospitals in November 2019? Did China in January 2020? That's really all the proof you need. Anyway, where has the person who started this thread gone?

He's back where women glow and men plunder. I don't think he speaks our language but maybe he has a vegemite sandwich!

Or some similar nonsense!

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Dr_Winston

Didn't France find evidence of Covid infection in December 2019?

It's not unusual in pandemics for the first wave to be significantly smaller than the second. I for one have no trouble believing that Covid was out there in the World, but the movement of Chinese people from Wuhan to Italy after the Chinese New Year in 2020 was the equivalent of pouring petrol onto a fire.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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controversial_jack

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 22:50 - Mar 3 by Dr_Winston
Didn't France find evidence of Covid infection in December 2019? It's not unusual in pandemics for the first wave to be significantly smaller than the second. I for one have no trouble believing that Covid was out there in the World, but the movement of Chinese people from Wuhan to Italy after the Chinese New Year in 2020 was the equivalent of pouring petrol onto a fire.

It was like Trump banning travel from China when the virus was getting there from Europe.

A knee jerk from.a jerk.

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DJack

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:30 - Mar 3 by controversial_jack
It was like Trump banning travel from China when the virus was getting there from Europe. A knee jerk from.a jerk.

More rubbish from you...

Under the so called ban over 400000 travellers arrived from China into the US.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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AnotherJohn

This thread brought to mind some email correspondence that I had with an academic from a university medical school in Wuhan. I had visited Wuhan for 5 weeks in 2019 and so had several contacts there. The emails illustrate how one insider saw the pandemic unfolding. Some extracts follow.

4-1-2020
Heard today about the mystery outbreak of a pneumonia-like disease in Wuhan. Hope you and your family won't be affected.
Take care and Happy New Year

6-1-20
Thank you for your kind email. Don't worry about us. After the outbreak of SARS in 2003ï¼ŒChina has established a very strong disease prevention and control system. The fence has already been mended. We know many western media don't like China's regime, but its state capability and efficiency are high. Even if China was democratized now, the Communist Party would undoubtedly win the election here.

[Routine emails about work follow that do not mention the novel coronavirus, but this changes at the beginning of February]

1-2-20
Maybe you have known what's happening here in Wuhan. Few could have imagined that the situation would be so serious. The city has been closed since Jan. 23 and the start of the new semester has also been postponed. Surely we can defeat the novel coronavirus (…) This epidemic has ruined our happiness of Spring festival. One of my relatives now is also a victim of the novel coronavirus. My wife is a nurse with the Union Hospital. I haven't seen her for more than half a month. She and her colleagues are busy treating the patients every day and dare not go back home. After work, they just rest in a hotel near their hospital, which is taken over by the government. All the factories are on holiday. The hospitals in Wuhan lack many materials, especially medical mask and protective clothing. I cannot do anything for my wife and just pray for her safety. The bed capacity is also in shortage. My relative was hospitalized almost three days after being identified as a coronavirus patient. As organizational researchers, this crisis helps us find out many flaws in China's public health system and even political regime. You can see both the strength and weakness, courage and cowardliness, selfishness and selflessness, efficiency and inefficiency as well as innovation and conventionality in them at the same time. The crisis teaches us the most expensive lesson, but I still believe that what cannot kill us will make us stronger.

1-2-20
HUST just informs us that it will postpone the start of new semester, but it doesn't tell us the exact date. It depends on the situation of the epidemic. I do hope you could understand our difficulty.

[Email with expression of sympathy sent]

26-2-20
I have interpreted your email to my family and all of us are moved by it. Thank you very much. We don't lack anything. The logistics of Wuhan is still in normal operation. The biggest inconvenience is that we have to stay at home. We don't know when the epidemic will be over, maybe one month later or even longer. My poor daughter has not seen her mother for more than one month. Thanks to our Lord, my wife is not sick now, but she is very tired now. More than 200 of her colleagues in the Union hospital are infected with the terrible virus. HUST suffers a heavy loss. Three outstanding professors of our university died of it, including one academician who developed the first full body Gamma knife in the world. It is likely that the epidemic will be spread worldwide.

13-4-20
The lockdown of Wuhan city was lifted four days ago. People are allowed to enter and leave this city under certain conditions. However, to prevent the second outbreak of Covid-19, the restriction of Wuhan natives’ mobility within this city is still strict. Only one member per family can be permitted to go outside for two hours every day. Both the universities and banks are still closed. We have to keep teaching our students online at home all through this semester, but I guess the Bank of China will open in late this month or early next month. […] Our journal, Medicine and Society, now is focusing on publishing the papers dealing with Covid-19 […]
I did receive your email on Mar. 22nd. From then on, I have been thinking about how to write an email to you. As a Chinese citizen living in Wuhan, I want to tell you […] what really happened here, but my poor English prevents me from doing it efficiently. Perhaps my narrative will be different from the western reports, but it surely reflects many people’s mindset here.
My suggestion to avoid the Covid-19 is just to stay at home and abstain from social interaction as much as possible. In fact, that’s the only effective way to protect us from a new infectious disease without specifics. However, maybe it is not feasible in other countries. Although often complaining about our government, generally speaking, we still trust it and obey its orders compliantly, including not going outside. The obedience to our government can be attributed to both its high performance in economic and social development in the past 40 years and Chinese traditional culture. You can also find out the similar things in Japan and Korea. As individuals, we are also fully aware that isolation indoors is to be responsible for our family and ourselves, which is related with our culture too. Few people here regard the lockdown as the infringement of human rights. We don’t need some condescending western media to defend our rights, neither do we think some human rights worshiped by the west are really indispensable for us. We also know human rights have been politicized and used as tools in the geopolitical competition. What’s the human right we value most? To live a well-off life by honest labor. Only a just, pro-development, pro-poor and highly efficiently government can help us realize it. America just hopes we produce socks and footwear for them. They cannot tolerate our 5G telecommunication sets, but they have never produced any solid evidence that we stole their technical secrets (they don’t have it at all) or tapped others. However, the question is they monopolize the international propaganda and our defending voice is too weak.
Compared with its western counterparts, Chinese government enjoys much greater authority, accordingly it also has to shoulder the almost unlimited responsibilities for its people. Our daily necessities have never been in shortage since the lockdown of Wuhan city. Moreover, because China’s E-commerce and logistics are very prosperous, we can still get almost anything when staying at home, including my daughter’s favorite snack. The lockdown resulted in so many inconveniences, but we didn’t live in the hell described by some western journalists and Fang Fang, a native author, who published her Wuhan Diary of Pandemic several days ago in America and Germany.
In the middle of January, some local health officials realized this new pneumonia was infectious, but none had an idea of its astonishing strength of infection. Both the party’s secretaries of Wuhan city and Hubei province are capable of developing the economy, but they lack the knowledge of epidemiology. Most people in the world doesn’t know the disastrous pandemic like Spanish flu. China is still a developing country and economic development is the paramount task. Therefore, the health department is almost the least important one in the government, which is common across all the developing countries. The local party leaders worried the information release would affect Wuhan’s economic development negatively. Moreover, the Spring Festival, Chinese most important festival, was coming. Any act to damage the happy and harmonious atmosphere would be regarded as inappropriate. They just wanted to keep a low profile and control the disease with the local resources. Consequently, their hesitation and misjudgment cost the window of one or two weeks. When they finally found it was impossible for Wuhan and Hubei to deal with the issue themselves, the central government took over the power immediately and the lockdown of Wuhan was declared. Few foreigners know that China is highly decentralized in economy, but highly centralized in politics. The order from the top leadership may be carried out much more resolutely and strictly than expected. That’s the reason why the pandemic can be effectively contained in China within just two months. Now China is the safest place in the world. Wuhan city is a scaled-down version of China with the same political regime. When the local government leaders thought the new pneumonia would cause social panic, Dr Li Wenliang and his colleagues were admonished by the local police for talking that it was strongly infectious in the social media.
Until now, a lot of officials have been discharged from their posts, including both the party’s secretaries of Wuhan city and Hubei province and the police officer who warned Dr Li Wenliang. Mr. Z______ the Party’s secretary of Hubei provincial Health Authority, was also sacked. This gentleman was [name university department's] secretary of the Communist Youth League and my former colleague. So I know him well. I gave him a phone call to console this poor guy after his removal from the office. He was so depressed and said sadly that his indecisiveness completely ruined his future. Even now, he doesn’t admit there existed intentional cheating at the inception of the pandemic.
When the pandemic broke out here, Western media regarded it as China’s Chernobyl moment resulting from its backward political regime. If China’s regime was the cause of pandemic, why did the western countries make the same and even more mistakes later?
In fact this pandemic is a test to all countries’ governance. Now its results make some western politicians embarrassed and it is very likely they will lose the coming election. So they blame China for cheating in the pandemic and causing its spread into their countries. Such an excuse is not worth refuting. Anyone in the world knows what happened in China two months ago. We suffered a heavy loss and gained the opportunity window of more than two months for other countries, but the western politicians wasted it due to their arrogance and prejudice. So many Chinese governmental officials have been fired for their malfeasance, are there any western officials held accountable for the loss of so many lives?
The outbreak of Covid-19 overlapped with Chinese Spring Festival. All the factories were in holiday then. During the hardest period, due to the lack of medical masks and protective clothing, many medics were infected. The US government promised to offer the medical assistance worth 100 million dollars to China, but until now, we haven’t got even a pair of medical gloves from American government. It is no surprise that the US doesn’t keep its words. We have been accustomed to its bad faith since it started the trade war to China two years ago. Fortunately, almost all the factories of medical supplies restarted quickly. Finally my wife and her colleagues didn’t worry any more about where they could get the medical protective clothing the next day.
China now are providing the medical assistance to other countries when the situations there worsen. However, some western media said the medical supplies from China are inferior in quality. Now China becomes the immoral profiteer. Although China’s Foreign ministry soon found out that the Chinese seller had explicitly told the Dutch buyer that these masks and protective clothing are not for medical use, few western media published the clarification. They seem to enjoy stigmatizing China. When we transport thousands of ventilators to the US, the Trump administration still doesn’t forget to further persecute our high-tech firms, such as Huawei. We once regarded the west, especially the US, as our model, and we always sincerely want to keep a good relationship with it, but now we are very disappointed. All the people here are pessimistic about the relationship between China and the west, especially the Sino-American relationship. Perhaps we have no choice but face the new cold war started by the US, although it will be much more terrible than Covid-19. It is likely that my daughter will have to live in a world with the grim future. Sometimes I envy my teacher [ X from the UK], because she has no children, but I do.
_________________

I don’t agree with all of my colleague’s analysis, but I think the thread gives an interesting insight into how some in Wuhan saw things unfolding.

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So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 06:49 - Mar 4 with 999 views

mangohilljack

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:48 - Mar 3 by Scotia
Did Italy have to build emergency hospitals in November 2019? Did China in January 2020? That's really all the proof you need. Anyway, where has the person who started this thread gone?

Oh apologies for living in a different timezone and not being at your posting beck and call.

Just for the record I tested positive on one of those RAT tests you spit in as I was never chucking one of those sticks up my nose.

I also did a S-Covid-19 Serology test which came back saying I have had it and I am producing the anti bodies.

One thing I know for a fact the illness I tested positive for was exactly the same as the flu I have had many times over in my life.

The worlds biggest fraudulent case in history

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Scotia

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 06:49 - Mar 4 by mangohilljack

Being in a different time zone is no excuse for starting a thread that you have no argument to substantiate. This anti covid / lockdown / vaccine is getting absurd now.

Absolutely none of it stands up to any form of scrutiny.

Just look at the leaked Hancock messages, nothing of substance to deny the situation. They're little more than backstabbing.

You'd expect a golden thread to the argument but there just seems to be random unsubstantiated accusations that amount to nothing. It's still allowed to be posted on here for some reason?

I'm glad you're experience of covid was mild, both of mine were too. In fact I'd barely have known I was ill, I could have run a marathon. Well done Pfizer.

However millions of people weren't so lucky. Perhaps you'd like to explain your experience to Gerallt's family.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52360360.amp

I'm pretty certain they'd disagree.

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Gwyn737

So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 09:37 - Mar 4 by Scotia

Come now Scotia, Mangojack had it an he was fine so it must all be rubbish.

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