| Hornets on Sunday 19:31 - Feb 24 with 302015 views | EllDale |
They’re tweeting that their “matchday operations” are being restricted for the home game against Barrow on Sunday for reasons that they don’t want to divulge at the moment.
The bottom line is that the crowd capacity is limited to 920 and there will be no cash admissions on the day.
Wonder what that’s all about? |  | | |  |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:07 - Mar 6 with 2826 views | RochdaleGlory |
| Hornets on Sunday on 10:55 - Mar 6 by kel |
😂😂😂
Must try harder. Odd that you appeared not long after huchen logged out isn’t it?
Your attempts to divide are most amusing though. |
Ive been logged in since early doors this morning?
Im no expert but pretty sure administrators on these type of things can determine i am not posting under any other usernames.
Not trying to divide anything, on the contrary i have respect for everyone who invests time and or money in any sports club and hope to see both clubs maximise their potential.
Football, cricket, rugby whatever is your thing its about Rochdale for me as a whole. | | | |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:07 - Mar 6 with 2828 views | Dalenet |
| Hornets on Sunday on 10:51 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
Hardly comparable as with respect to Hornets Wigan Warriors are a huge club with serious revenue streams at the elite level and arguably the biggest name in that sport. Athletic are also a different proposition to us with private ownership and considerable wealth now in their boardroom it would seem.
I will concede i wouldn't have a clue about Warriors lease or arrangements though but i do remember well how we acquired the stadium and how the current arrangements were born which got made to enable us to acquire a valuable asset in full and to ensure Hornets have a sustainable and affordable tenancy which has always been public knowledge in Rochdale.
Re the rugby club i am only going off what i read in the local papers and hear from people in the town but you do understand a company conversion right?
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/IP030618
It would seem to me the company was taken over and converted from a society (members owned) model into private limited (now owned equally by five businessmen it would seem from companies house records which you kindly direct me to) and i am pretty sure that in these cases all assets and liabilities carry forward so effectively nothing changes legally.
Looks a pretty steady model they now have and I know id rather have five individuals with a few quid owning and running a club than have fans in the boardroom posting £1.2m losses, fighting relegation from the bottom tier of the football league and trying desperately to scratch together funds from Joe pubic to cover legal costs. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 11:10]
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I can make any argument stick when comparing an apple with an orange.
You know full well that Dale's losses for 2020/21 were due to being made to play during covid without match day income. Rugby League didn't do that.
You know full well that players were sold this season to cover such losses
You know full well that Dale now has a turnover of c£4m pa and will cover its runing costs and the cost of the stadium.
The rugby club has 500 fans. They are ageing and reducing in number every season. They are insufficient in number to sustain the club and has been taken over by 5 named individuals who may, or may not, invest their own money in the club. The rugby club has no assets - unlike Mayfield or the union code clubs in the town. It is in effect a small franchise dependent on others to play games and survive. Quite sad to see the demise to be honest.
It is also sad and abhorrent that the EFL has let potential, unwated, owners of the football club threaten legal action against volunteers. The same people that the EFL said hadn't followed proper process to acquire shares. The fact that you seem to revel in that makes you as bad as they are. Why would a sports fan in the town think in that way. Of course we know why..... | | | |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:17 - Mar 6 with 2782 views | kel |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:07 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
Ive been logged in since early doors this morning?
Im no expert but pretty sure administrators on these type of things can determine i am not posting under any other usernames.
Not trying to divide anything, on the contrary i have respect for everyone who invests time and or money in any sports club and hope to see both clubs maximise their potential.
Football, cricket, rugby whatever is your thing its about Rochdale for me as a whole. |
No, you haven’t. One of many odd obsessions is noticing who is logged in. |  | | |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:21 - Mar 6 with 2768 views | kel |
“and I know id rather have five individuals with a few quid”
“ Wouldn't have a clue about the personal wealth of individuals in either business and not really interested.”
Which is it to be? Fella. | | | |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:23 - Mar 6 with 2759 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:07 - Mar 6 by Dalenet |
I can make any argument stick when comparing an apple with an orange.
You know full well that Dale's losses for 2020/21 were due to being made to play during covid without match day income. Rugby League didn't do that.
You know full well that players were sold this season to cover such losses
You know full well that Dale now has a turnover of c£4m pa and will cover its runing costs and the cost of the stadium.
The rugby club has 500 fans. They are ageing and reducing in number every season. They are insufficient in number to sustain the club and has been taken over by 5 named individuals who may, or may not, invest their own money in the club. The rugby club has no assets - unlike Mayfield or the union code clubs in the town. It is in effect a small franchise dependent on others to play games and survive. Quite sad to see the demise to be honest.
It is also sad and abhorrent that the EFL has let potential, unwated, owners of the football club threaten legal action against volunteers. The same people that the EFL said hadn't followed proper process to acquire shares. The fact that you seem to revel in that makes you as bad as they are. Why would a sports fan in the town think in that way. Of course we know why..... |
To be fair and balanced (and we are), Rochdale Hornets have yet to post any financial results for the period covered by Covid, namely because their current entity only formed during Covid itself.
They formed that current legal entity in June 2020 and the accounts period runs to November 2021.
It will be interesting to see what they post in a period where we know that ever sporting club of every code posted a loss due to no spectators. If they don't post a loss then they have either had those losses unwritten or traded contrary to every other business across the UK over the last 18 months.
But that's irrelevant to RG's post - as whatever loss or profit they post they are a tenant of the football club who legally own the ground and will continue to own the ground.
However we got to 2022 doesn't matter. Hornets are a tenant at Spotland and nothing more complicated. |  |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 11:27 - Mar 6 with 2745 views | R17ALE |
| Hornets on Sunday on 10:51 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
Hardly comparable as with respect to Hornets Wigan Warriors are a huge club with serious revenue streams at the elite level and arguably the biggest name in that sport. Athletic are also a different proposition to us with private ownership and considerable wealth now in their boardroom it would seem.
I will concede i wouldn't have a clue about Warriors lease or arrangements though but i do remember well how we acquired the stadium and how the current arrangements were born which got made to enable us to acquire a valuable asset in full and to ensure Hornets have a sustainable and affordable tenancy which has always been public knowledge in Rochdale.
Re the rugby club i am only going off what i read in the local papers and hear from people in the town but you do understand a company conversion right?
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/IP030618
It would seem to me the company was taken over and converted from a society (members owned) model into private limited (now owned equally by five businessmen it would seem from companies house records which you kindly direct me to) and i am pretty sure that in these cases all assets and liabilities carry forward so effectively nothing changes legally.
Looks a pretty steady model they now have and I know id rather have five individuals with a few quid owning and running a club than have fans in the boardroom posting £1.2m losses, fighting relegation from the bottom tier of the football league and trying desperately to scratch together funds from Joe pubic to cover legal costs. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 11:10]
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"Elite level"
"Private Ownership"
You're not very good at this are you? |  |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 11:47 - Mar 6 with 2695 views | RochdaleGlory |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:27 - Mar 6 by R17ALE |
"Elite level"
"Private Ownership"
You're not very good at this are you? |
Super League being the “Elite” level of that sport.
Private ownership being not in the hands or ownership of “Supporters”. | | | |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:52 - Mar 6 with 2687 views | James1980 |
To what level does the rugby impact on the integrity of the pitch? | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 11:54 - Mar 6 with 2683 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 10:51 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
Hardly comparable as with respect to Hornets Wigan Warriors are a huge club with serious revenue streams at the elite level and arguably the biggest name in that sport. Athletic are also a different proposition to us with private ownership and considerable wealth now in their boardroom it would seem.
I will concede i wouldn't have a clue about Warriors lease or arrangements though but i do remember well how we acquired the stadium and how the current arrangements were born which got made to enable us to acquire a valuable asset in full and to ensure Hornets have a sustainable and affordable tenancy which has always been public knowledge in Rochdale.
Re the rugby club i am only going off what i read in the local papers and hear from people in the town but you do understand a company conversion right?
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/IP030618
It would seem to me the company was taken over and converted from a society (members owned) model into private limited (now owned equally by five businessmen it would seem from companies house records which you kindly direct me to) and i am pretty sure that in these cases all assets and liabilities carry forward so effectively nothing changes legally.
Looks a pretty steady model they now have and I know id rather have five individuals with a few quid owning and running a club than have fans in the boardroom posting £1.2m losses, fighting relegation from the bottom tier of the football league and trying desperately to scratch together funds from Joe pubic to cover legal costs. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 11:10]
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You're also a bit dim, aren't you? |  |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 11:57 - Mar 6 with 2678 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:52 - Mar 6 by James1980 |
To what level does the rugby impact on the integrity of the pitch? |
Not now, James. | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 11:59 - Mar 6 with 2669 views | RochdaleGlory |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:23 - Mar 6 by RAFCBLUE |
To be fair and balanced (and we are), Rochdale Hornets have yet to post any financial results for the period covered by Covid, namely because their current entity only formed during Covid itself.
They formed that current legal entity in June 2020 and the accounts period runs to November 2021.
It will be interesting to see what they post in a period where we know that ever sporting club of every code posted a loss due to no spectators. If they don't post a loss then they have either had those losses unwritten or traded contrary to every other business across the UK over the last 18 months.
But that's irrelevant to RG's post - as whatever loss or profit they post they are a tenant of the football club who legally own the ground and will continue to own the ground.
However we got to 2022 doesn't matter. Hornets are a tenant at Spotland and nothing more complicated. |
I’m sure you believe you are fair and balanced.
Putting this thread aside you come across as extremely knowledgable and clearly close to the club or it’s current administration. I personally enjoy reading your posts and admire the way you try to control the narrative with loyalty.
It seems we quite clearly agree and nobody disputes that we own the venue and it’s a landlord and tenant relationship. That in itself comes with responsibilities and long standing commitments and agreements.
I genuinely hope we are not only honouring these agreements but doing so in the spirit they where born which enabled us to acquire ownership in full of the asset.
Best wishes to both clubs and Rochdale sports clubs generally. The town and borough is stronger if we are ALL thriving and not just surviving. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 12:02]
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| Hornets on Sunday on 12:01 - Mar 6 with 2657 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:59 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
I’m sure you believe you are fair and balanced.
Putting this thread aside you come across as extremely knowledgable and clearly close to the club or it’s current administration. I personally enjoy reading your posts and admire the way you try to control the narrative with loyalty.
It seems we quite clearly agree and nobody disputes that we own the venue and it’s a landlord and tenant relationship. That in itself comes with responsibilities and long standing commitments and agreements.
I genuinely hope we are not only honouring these agreements but doing so in the spirit they where born which enabled us to acquire ownership in full of the asset.
Best wishes to both clubs and Rochdale sports clubs generally. The town and borough is stronger if we are ALL thriving and not just surviving. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 12:02]
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Why do you keep trying to peddle that myth at the end, especially given most people in the town don't really care? | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 12:10 - Mar 6 with 2629 views | RochdaleGlory |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:01 - Mar 6 by TVOS1907 |
Why do you keep trying to peddle that myth at the end, especially given most people in the town don't really care? |
Because there are many with brain cells of significant level who understand the importance of a united approach especially when calling on the support of your community. | | | |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:14 - Mar 6 with 2622 views | R17ALE |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:10 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
Because there are many with brain cells of significant level who understand the importance of a united approach especially when calling on the support of your community. |
There are indeed many with brain cells of a significant level.
Sadly, you're not one of them. | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 12:16 - Mar 6 with 2612 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:10 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
Because there are many with brain cells of significant level who understand the importance of a united approach especially when calling on the support of your community. |
You're right, there are, but it's not really relevant in this instance.
Keep digging... | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 12:41 - Mar 6 with 2548 views | blackdogblue |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:57 - Mar 6 by TVOS1907 |
Not now, James. |
Bit rude that 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
I have no interest in Rugby and never had. The OP was around what they can/can’t use on match days all of a sudden.
Did they use the scoreboard early in the season for example and what’s changed & yes by the nature of the game extra use of the pitch will damage it as the ball is not played on the floor so a mudbath or sodden pitch is not a problem |  |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 12:48 - Mar 6 with 2537 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:41 - Mar 6 by blackdogblue |
Bit rude that 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
I have no interest in Rugby and never had. The OP was around what they can/can’t use on match days all of a sudden.
Did they use the scoreboard early in the season for example and what’s changed & yes by the nature of the game extra use of the pitch will damage it as the ball is not played on the floor so a mudbath or sodden pitch is not a problem |
You've missed the point.
The thread has been hijacked by someone with an agenda, which James seemed to have missed, so his comment about the pitch would have been an open goal for the WUM.
I too have no interest in rugby, never have and never will and while the pitch has clearly suffered from it in the past and may well do in the future, it was best kept out of this debate. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 12:50]
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| Hornets on Sunday on 12:50 - Mar 6 with 2530 views | kel |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:10 - Mar 6 by RochdaleGlory |
Because there are many with brain cells of significant level who understand the importance of a united approach especially when calling on the support of your community. |
We’ve moved to the abuse stage so early? Classic troll behaviour this, flower.
Funny though as you thought you were doing well too. | | | |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:51 - Mar 6 with 2523 views | D_Alien |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:41 - Mar 6 by blackdogblue |
Bit rude that 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
I have no interest in Rugby and never had. The OP was around what they can/can’t use on match days all of a sudden.
Did they use the scoreboard early in the season for example and what’s changed & yes by the nature of the game extra use of the pitch will damage it as the ball is not played on the floor so a mudbath or sodden pitch is not a problem |
Not at all rude, just plain speaking as we do in Rochdale
I'll restate, Dale need to be seen to be supportive of their tenants (i don't mean in a financial way, but certainly in terms of morale) during a period when we're asking for both financial and moral support from the football world, and the wider world including administrators of the game and politicians. That includes local politicians, many of whom support Hornets
If Hornets can't pay their way in terms of agreements set out following their reformation a couple of years back, my opinion is that Dale should do all they can to be supportive without incurring any financial disadvantage. That's the minimum i would expect |  |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 12:59 - Mar 6 with 2493 views | James1980 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 11:57 - Mar 6 by TVOS1907 |
Not now, James. |
Is that, not now, as in it no longer does. Or probably best not add that to the mix regarding this thread? | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 13:02 - Mar 6 with 2487 views | D_Alien |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:59 - Mar 6 by James1980 |
Is that, not now, as in it no longer does. Or probably best not add that to the mix regarding this thread? |
Read TVOS's post at 12.48 for your answer | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 13:04 - Mar 6 with 2472 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:59 - Mar 6 by James1980 |
Is that, not now, as in it no longer does. Or probably best not add that to the mix regarding this thread? |
Yes, the second one.
The first one will become clearer in time. | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 13:14 - Mar 6 with 2453 views | James1980 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 13:04 - Mar 6 by TVOS1907 |
Yes, the second one.
The first one will become clearer in time. |
Got it 👠| |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 13:24 - Mar 6 with 2436 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hornets on Sunday on 13:14 - Mar 6 by James1980 |
Got it 👠|
Good to see you yesterday, too, albeit from a distance. | |
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| Hornets on Sunday on 13:27 - Mar 6 with 2418 views | RochdaleGlory |
| Hornets on Sunday on 12:51 - Mar 6 by D_Alien |
Not at all rude, just plain speaking as we do in Rochdale
I'll restate, Dale need to be seen to be supportive of their tenants (i don't mean in a financial way, but certainly in terms of morale) during a period when we're asking for both financial and moral support from the football world, and the wider world including administrators of the game and politicians. That includes local politicians, many of whom support Hornets
If Hornets can't pay their way in terms of agreements set out following their reformation a couple of years back, my opinion is that Dale should do all they can to be supportive without incurring any financial disadvantage. That's the minimum i would expect |
All fair comment.
I have heard that Hornets are fully up to date with payments and there are no issues on that score and indeed haven’t been for many years. [Post edited 6 Mar 2022 13:29]
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