| Workers rights "upgrade" 20:53 - Oct 10 with 3594 views | SullutaCreturned |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 20:59 - Oct 10 with 2046 views | Whiterockin |
Start work on Monday go sick on Tuesday and get money for six months, it's not as if that's going to get abused. |  | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:06 - Oct 10 with 2032 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 20:59 - Oct 10 by Whiterockin |
Start work on Monday go sick on Tuesday and get money for six months, it's not as if that's going to get abused. |
Businesses are concerned apparently. This needs proper thinking through or it could be a disaster. The law of unintended consequences can be a bitch. | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:13 - Oct 10 with 2011 views | Whiterockin |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:06 - Oct 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Businesses are concerned apparently. This needs proper thinking through or it could be a disaster. The law of unintended consequences can be a bitch. |
Unfair dismissal from day one. How will that work with seasonal workers? Start a job for the summer season or Christmas period and when it is over you claim unfair dismissal? | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:18 - Oct 10 with 1987 views | Flashberryjack |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:06 - Oct 10 by SullutaCreturned |
Businesses are concerned apparently. This needs proper thinking through or it could be a disaster. The law of unintended consequences can be a bitch. |
Angela Rayner has it covered, what could go wrong
Although "zero hour contracts" really needs to be looked at. |  |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:22 - Oct 10 with 1977 views | Whiterockin |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:18 - Oct 10 by Flashberryjack |
Angela Rayner has it covered, what could go wrong
Although "zero hour contracts" really needs to be looked at. |
It's good to see you can opt out. Zero hours suit some, Uber drivers as an example. | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:36 - Oct 10 with 1941 views | max936 |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 20:59 - Oct 10 by Whiterockin |
Start work on Monday go sick on Tuesday and get money for six months, it's not as if that's going to get abused. |
Been off all week with Covid just statutory sick pay for me, it is what it is! |  |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:38 - Oct 10 with 1925 views | max936 |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:13 - Oct 10 by Whiterockin |
Unfair dismissal from day one. How will that work with seasonal workers? Start a job for the summer season or Christmas period and when it is over you claim unfair dismissal? |
Those jobs are under conditional terms, due to the short terms of employment. | |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:41 - Oct 10 with 1920 views | Whiterockin |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:36 - Oct 10 by max936 |
Been off all week with Covid just statutory sick pay for me, it is what it is! |
That's not good enough mate, there has to be a balance. Over the years I've had many meetings with ACAS to get a fair balance between employees and the company, you just need a compromise. | | | |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:48 - Oct 10 with 1881 views | Whiterockin |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:38 - Oct 10 by max936 |
Those jobs are under conditional terms, due to the short terms of employment. |
You don't need to have a contract in place for two months mate. | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:07 - Oct 10 with 1851 views | max936 |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:41 - Oct 10 by Whiterockin |
That's not good enough mate, there has to be a balance. Over the years I've had many meetings with ACAS to get a fair balance between employees and the company, you just need a compromise. |
Don't know where I caught it, if it was in a customers house then it would come down to my own risk assessment, Ideally I should ask if there's covid onsite, but most people don't test these days, so probably wouldn't know.
I tested because both my lads have got health issues. | |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:08 - Oct 10 with 1848 views | max936 |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:48 - Oct 10 by Whiterockin |
You don't need to have a contract in place for two months mate. |
There still has be terms in place. | |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:21 - Oct 10 with 1825 views | majorraglan |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 21:13 - Oct 10 by Whiterockin |
Unfair dismissal from day one. How will that work with seasonal workers? Start a job for the summer season or Christmas period and when it is over you claim unfair dismissal? |
Just give them a fixed term contract for the period required, once that ends they are no longer employed. | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:29 - Oct 10 with 1818 views | majorraglan |
We need more meat on the bones. Some of the proposed changes make sense, but as always we need to see the finished document.
Things like fire and rehire need to be seriously looked at, giving someone the right to time off for a bereavement is a positive and allowing sick ay from day 1 could be a positive, BUT that is something that could easily be abused and I’d be inclined to hold off changing that. Maybe the government could strengthen employee rights, but extend probationary periods to give employers more scope to get rid of those who aren’t up to the job. Protect the worker, whilst addressing the shirker! | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:49 - Oct 10 with 1814 views | raynor94 |
It's at least 2 years away, nothing to get excited about yet |  |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 06:11 - Oct 11 with 1721 views | Whiterockin |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:29 - Oct 10 by majorraglan |
We need more meat on the bones. Some of the proposed changes make sense, but as always we need to see the finished document.
Things like fire and rehire need to be seriously looked at, giving someone the right to time off for a bereavement is a positive and allowing sick ay from day 1 could be a positive, BUT that is something that could easily be abused and I’d be inclined to hold off changing that. Maybe the government could strengthen employee rights, but extend probationary periods to give employers more scope to get rid of those who aren’t up to the job. Protect the worker, whilst addressing the shirker! |
Thats fair but the employer as well as the employee need to be protected. | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 09:51 - Oct 11 with 1656 views | majorraglan |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 06:11 - Oct 11 by Whiterockin |
Thats fair but the employer as well as the employee need to be protected. |
I totally agree, it has to be a 2 way street hence the comment re shirker.
I’d like to see the legislation cover issues such as we saw with the P&O ferries a few years ago. | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 07:09 - Oct 12 with 1484 views | sons_of_omri |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:49 - Oct 10 by raynor94 |
It's at least 2 years away, nothing to get excited about yet |
So youngsters getting the boot from TATA with under two years service - what are their payouts? | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 08:45 - Oct 12 with 1458 views | Whiterockin |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 07:09 - Oct 12 by sons_of_omri |
So youngsters getting the boot from TATA with under two years service - what are their payouts? |
The same as anyone of any age in all other forms of employment, nothing. Unless your contract/terms of employment state differently. It is always possible that your employer shows some compassion but it is very rare. | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 10:02 - Oct 12 with 1415 views | Kilkennyjack |
Its good news Shirley …..
Unless you are a Tory ….. |  |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 10:10 - Oct 12 with 1407 views | raynor94 |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 07:09 - Oct 12 by sons_of_omri |
So youngsters getting the boot from TATA with under two years service - what are their payouts? |
To my knowledge, the minimum is £12,500, plus an attendance related payment of £5,000 | |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 10:49 - Oct 12 with 1378 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 22:29 - Oct 10 by majorraglan |
We need more meat on the bones. Some of the proposed changes make sense, but as always we need to see the finished document.
Things like fire and rehire need to be seriously looked at, giving someone the right to time off for a bereavement is a positive and allowing sick ay from day 1 could be a positive, BUT that is something that could easily be abused and I’d be inclined to hold off changing that. Maybe the government could strengthen employee rights, but extend probationary periods to give employers more scope to get rid of those who aren’t up to the job. Protect the worker, whilst addressing the shirker! |
Agree, looks like a recipe for sub contractor growth at present. |  |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 11:07 - Oct 12 with 1363 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 10:02 - Oct 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Its good news Shirley …..
Unless you are a Tory ….. |
Unless you are a business trying make a profit with incooperative workers and unions.
At least workers in private companies will have the same rights as public sector employees who are virtually unsackable no matter how badly they perform as per most civil servants. | |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 11:12 - Oct 12 with 1355 views | Gwyn737 |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 11:07 - Oct 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Unless you are a business trying make a profit with incooperative workers and unions.
At least workers in private companies will have the same rights as public sector employees who are virtually unsackable no matter how badly they perform as per most civil servants. |
Virtually unsackable?
Not my experience. I’d image all have appraisal and disciplinary policies, HR departments, Codes of Conduct, misconduct and Gross Misconduct red lines etc.
Makes you wonder why we can’t feel these highly paid, gold plated pensioned unsalable positions… | | | |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 11:15 - Oct 12 with 1351 views | Dr_Winston |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 11:12 - Oct 12 by Gwyn737 |
Virtually unsackable?
Not my experience. I’d image all have appraisal and disciplinary policies, HR departments, Codes of Conduct, misconduct and Gross Misconduct red lines etc.
Makes you wonder why we can’t feel these highly paid, gold plated pensioned unsalable positions… |
In my experience most incompetent public sector workers get moved around rather than sacked. Have seen it happen dozens of times, including at managerial level. |  |
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| Workers rights "upgrade" on 11:19 - Oct 12 with 1341 views | Gwyn737 |
| Workers rights "upgrade" on 11:15 - Oct 12 by Dr_Winston |
In my experience most incompetent public sector workers get moved around rather than sacked. Have seen it happen dozens of times, including at managerial level. |
I’ve no doubt there are some examples of this.
But that’s a long way from all public sector workers being virtually unsackable. | | | |
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