| Any news 17:52 - Feb 18 with 4599 views | hxdale |
Any news on the player who got stretchered off...? |  | | |  |
| Any news on 23:45 - Feb 18 with 1132 views | Dalenet |
Yes lets hope he recovers from it - not nice to see. And no local hospital for him to go to either. Although the comment that he would need to go to the walk-in centre made me smile at the time. |  | | |
| Any news on 00:43 - Feb 19 with 1081 views | TVOS1907 |
| Any news on 20:17 - Feb 18 by chuckleberry |
I'm glad I didn't hear any untoward comments, no need and hope he recovers as quickly as Pilkington did. |
There were some being said not far from you. |  |
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| Any news on 00:48 - Feb 19 with 1079 views | TVOS1907 |
| Any news on 22:02 - Feb 18 by D_Alien |
Can only wish the lad all the best with his recovery, but having a team mentality of "stay down with the slightest touch and feign injury" probably accounts for the frustration among the Dale fans today, added to by the ref making some of the most bizarre "continuity of play" decisions I've ever seen
Surely if a player kicks the ball into the far corner for a throw-in when he's meant to direct it back to our keeper warrants a booking and a retake? |
The ref was in a now-in situation there as Pugh hadn't broken any laws.
As Shun says, the free-kick moments later was probably a sympathy decision. | |
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| Any news on 00:54 - Feb 19 with 1071 views | rochedale |
Hope the lad gets better.
More happy with the fact that we got 3 points.
Occupational injury, shit happens.
None of us will be at his bedside so lets celebrate the 3 points. |  |
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| Any news on 07:56 - Feb 19 with 1020 views | downunder |
| Any news on 19:40 - Feb 18 by 442Dale |
Never cease to be amazed at how quickly Pilkington returned from that injury. |
A few hours after the Scunthorpe game finished I went in for a new prosphetic hip. A few hours after the B'muff game I am at home, almost pain free and getting about on crutches. Unbelievable advances recently in this type of medical work. Epidural to recover quicker from the aneasthetic, oxygen feeds, moon boot things on your feet to keep the blood flowing, etc. Hopefully he will also get the benefit of a Club private Medical insurance, and get some decent food in the hospital. Good luck to him, hope he gets in B'muff First team next season. |  | | |
| Any news on 08:45 - Feb 19 with 990 views | The_DJ |
| Any news on 00:48 - Feb 19 by TVOS1907 |
The ref was in a now-in situation there as Pugh hadn't broken any laws.
As Shun says, the free-kick moments later was probably a sympathy decision. |
Is that similar to a no win situation ? |  | | |
| Any news on 09:21 - Feb 19 with 954 views | SuddenLad |
| Any news on 07:56 - Feb 19 by downunder |
A few hours after the Scunthorpe game finished I went in for a new prosphetic hip. A few hours after the B'muff game I am at home, almost pain free and getting about on crutches. Unbelievable advances recently in this type of medical work. Epidural to recover quicker from the aneasthetic, oxygen feeds, moon boot things on your feet to keep the blood flowing, etc. Hopefully he will also get the benefit of a Club private Medical insurance, and get some decent food in the hospital. Good luck to him, hope he gets in B'muff First team next season. |
If the lad was taken to Oldham Royal, he's probably still on a trolley in a corridor somewhere. |  |
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| Any news on 10:33 - Feb 19 with 910 views | TVOS1907 |
| Any news on 08:45 - Feb 19 by The_DJ |
Is that similar to a no win situation ? |
It is after a night out in Fax.
You were missed. | |
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| Any news on 11:21 - Feb 19 with 872 views | The_DJ |
| Any news on 10:33 - Feb 19 by TVOS1907 |
It is after a night out in Fax.
You were missed. |
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| Any news on 11:34 - Feb 19 with 853 views | D_Alien |
| Any news on 00:48 - Feb 19 by TVOS1907 |
The ref was in a now-in situation there as Pugh hadn't broken any laws.
As Shun says, the free-kick moments later was probably a sympathy decision. |
I'd have to disagree
The player kicking the ball is under instructions from the referee to kick it back to the keeper
If he accidentally miskicks it which then confers an unfair advantage (which is possibly what happened yesterday) a retake is in order at the referee's discretion
If he wilfully miskicks it (which could be interpreted from yesterday) then he's wilfully disobeying a refereeing instruction which under the general laws of the game can result in a booking |  |
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| Any news on 12:30 - Feb 19 with 797 views | 442Dale |
| Any news on 11:34 - Feb 19 by D_Alien |
I'd have to disagree
The player kicking the ball is under instructions from the referee to kick it back to the keeper
If he accidentally miskicks it which then confers an unfair advantage (which is possibly what happened yesterday) a retake is in order at the referee's discretion
If he wilfully miskicks it (which could be interpreted from yesterday) then he's wilfully disobeying a refereeing instruction which under the general laws of the game can result in a booking |
But is there anything in the laws, or instructions given to refs, that they're told to inform a player what to do in such a situation?
It was a drop ball wasn't it? An uncontested one, but once the ball is dropped it's in play and whatever happens after, happens. |  |
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| Any news on 12:32 - Feb 19 with 798 views | bigchin |
If it WAS put into touch by accident, all the tossers had to do was stay up pitch while we threw it back to our keeper. | | | |
| Any news on 12:51 - Feb 19 with 779 views | number30 |
| Any news on 09:21 - Feb 19 by SuddenLad |
If the lad was taken to Oldham Royal, he's probably still on a trolley in a corridor somewhere. |
"If the lad was taken to Oldham Royal, he's probably still on a trolley in a corridor somewhere."
The lad did indeed go to Oldham, was seem immediately in A&E and the orthopedic department were on stand by to receive him. The lad was seen by an A&E consultant while still at Spotland (the consultant is a Rochdale fan and volunteered to see the lad) and all the arrangements for his treatment were put in place while receiving treatment awaiting the ambulance to arrive. |  | | |
| Any news on 12:57 - Feb 19 with 767 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
| Any news on 12:51 - Feb 19 by number30 |
"If the lad was taken to Oldham Royal, he's probably still on a trolley in a corridor somewhere."
The lad did indeed go to Oldham, was seem immediately in A&E and the orthopedic department were on stand by to receive him. The lad was seen by an A&E consultant while still at Spotland (the consultant is a Rochdale fan and volunteered to see the lad) and all the arrangements for his treatment were put in place while receiving treatment awaiting the ambulance to arrive. |
Hopefully, that swift action will help the lad make a fully and speedy recovery. |  |
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| Any news on 13:01 - Feb 19 with 754 views | number30 |
| Any news on 12:57 - Feb 19 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
Hopefully, that swift action will help the lad make a fully and speedy recovery. |
He also said it was a very hard challenge, very hard but fair challenge from JK | | | |
| Any news on 13:18 - Feb 19 with 730 views | D_Alien |
| Any news on 12:30 - Feb 19 by 442Dale |
But is there anything in the laws, or instructions given to refs, that they're told to inform a player what to do in such a situation?
It was a drop ball wasn't it? An uncontested one, but once the ball is dropped it's in play and whatever happens after, happens. |
I understand the issue about the ball being in play, but still the referee can exercise discretion - which is the point I'm making, not about whether a specific law covers this type of action
For instance, if the player chooses to make a run on goal (probably unchallenged since no-ones expecting it) does the ref allow that because "the ball is in play"? Somehow, I doubt it. Therefore, the ref has the discretion to return to the original position and a retake if any other type of unfair advantage is sought - which is what happened. Either that, or the player should be dismissed by his club for being unable to kick straight [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Any news on 13:39 - Feb 19 with 701 views | SuddenLad |
| Any news on 12:51 - Feb 19 by number30 |
"If the lad was taken to Oldham Royal, he's probably still on a trolley in a corridor somewhere."
The lad did indeed go to Oldham, was seem immediately in A&E and the orthopedic department were on stand by to receive him. The lad was seen by an A&E consultant while still at Spotland (the consultant is a Rochdale fan and volunteered to see the lad) and all the arrangements for his treatment were put in place while receiving treatment awaiting the ambulance to arrive. |
Well, I'm very pleased to hear it, but he's obviously far more fortunate than some people I know.
I wish him well. | |
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| Any news on 13:45 - Feb 19 with 691 views | Ralphs12 |
| Any news on 13:39 - Feb 19 by SuddenLad |
Well, I'm very pleased to hear it, but he's obviously far more fortunate than some people I know.
I wish him well. |
Good luck to him. Never nice to see someone injured like that
Abit unfair that I had to wait 3 hours in A+E with a double break in my arm but he gets special treatment, bloody footballers ey.  |  | | |
| Any news on 13:46 - Feb 19 with 689 views | 442Dale |
| Any news on 13:18 - Feb 19 by D_Alien |
I understand the issue about the ball being in play, but still the referee can exercise discretion - which is the point I'm making, not about whether a specific law covers this type of action
For instance, if the player chooses to make a run on goal (probably unchallenged since no-ones expecting it) does the ref allow that because "the ball is in play"? Somehow, I doubt it. Therefore, the ref has the discretion to return to the original position and a retake if any other type of unfair advantage is sought - which is what happened. Either that, or the player should be dismissed by his club for being unable to kick straight [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Goals have been scored in a similar situation, the ref can't disallow the goal.
Think it was Yeovil who kicked the ball back after an injury but accidentally scored - they let the other team score from the kick off.
Found a link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/y/yeovil/3597030.stm
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| Any news on 13:54 - Feb 19 with 683 views | number30 |
| Any news on 13:45 - Feb 19 by Ralphs12 |
Good luck to him. Never nice to see someone injured like that
Abit unfair that I had to wait 3 hours in A+E with a double break in my arm but he gets special treatment, bloody footballers ey. |
With the consultant being a die hard Rochdale fan he also wanted to show Rochdale in a good light, and I think it shows the club in a positive light that rather than just send him to A&E (I know of several Latics players that have ended up in the waiting room!!!) that the club (and fans) will try and make the best out of the the unfortunate situation for the player. | | | |
| Any news on 14:00 - Feb 19 with 668 views | TVOS1907 |
| Any news on 13:18 - Feb 19 by D_Alien |
I understand the issue about the ball being in play, but still the referee can exercise discretion - which is the point I'm making, not about whether a specific law covers this type of action
For instance, if the player chooses to make a run on goal (probably unchallenged since no-ones expecting it) does the ref allow that because "the ball is in play"? Somehow, I doubt it. Therefore, the ref has the discretion to return to the original position and a retake if any other type of unfair advantage is sought - which is what happened. Either that, or the player should be dismissed by his club for being unable to kick straight [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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442 is right - the player didn't break any laws and there's not a lot the referee could do without being slated by the assessor.
There is nothing in the laws that he could apply - he can't make up a new law for that sort of incident nor use his discretion, as his discretion would still need some aspect of the laws behind it.
If the player ran to goal unchallenged and scored, again, the referee has no jurisdiction to disallow the goal. It would come down to the conscience of the player and his manager.
Interestingly, though, FIFA are apparently considering this sort of incident for a law change.
They are proposing that if an uncontested free-kick is kicked into the goal, a goal kick (or corner at the other end) will be awarded to avoid the farce of the opposition letting in an equaliser on purpose. | |
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| Any news on 14:03 - Feb 19 with 660 views | 442Dale |
| Any news on 14:00 - Feb 19 by TVOS1907 |
442 is right - the player didn't break any laws and there's not a lot the referee could do without being slated by the assessor.
There is nothing in the laws that he could apply - he can't make up a new law for that sort of incident nor use his discretion, as his discretion would still need some aspect of the laws behind it.
If the player ran to goal unchallenged and scored, again, the referee has no jurisdiction to disallow the goal. It would come down to the conscience of the player and his manager.
Interestingly, though, FIFA are apparently considering this sort of incident for a law change.
They are proposing that if an uncontested free-kick is kicked into the goal, a goal kick (or corner at the other end) will be awarded to avoid the farce of the opposition letting in an equaliser on purpose. |
That all said, if a player did deliberately score, could he booked for ungentlemanly conduct (or whatever it's called now)? | |
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| Any news on 14:06 - Feb 19 with 650 views | TVOS1907 |
| Any news on 14:03 - Feb 19 by 442Dale |
That all said, if a player did deliberately score, could he booked for ungentlemanly conduct (or whatever it's called now)? |
I doubt it, as again, no laws have been broken.
And then there's accidentally scoring and deliberately scoring ..... | |
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| Any news on 14:08 - Feb 19 with 644 views | 442Dale |
| Any news on 14:06 - Feb 19 by TVOS1907 |
I doubt it, as again, no laws have been broken.
And then there's accidentally scoring and deliberately scoring ..... |
We've been letting the opposition accidentally score for months, and no bugger got booked for it.
Case closed. | |
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| Any news on 14:24 - Feb 19 with 633 views | D_Alien |
| Any news on 14:08 - Feb 19 by 442Dale |
We've been letting the opposition accidentally score for months, and no bugger got booked for it.
Case closed. |
Thanks for the updates and links guys
I agree - with FIFA "considering it" - we may as well forget it! | |
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