| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 11:00 - Jan 19 with 1092 views | raynor94 |
Phew! For a minute I thought you posted Swansea East 😉😅 |  |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 11:20 - Jan 19 with 1056 views | Boundy |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 11:00 - Jan 19 by raynor94 |
Phew! For a minute I thought you posted Swansea East 😉😅 |
I wish |  |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:07 - Jan 19 with 944 views | SullutaCreturned |
Torsten Bell.....end by the sound of it.
Be careful what you wish for because if Reeves goes and we get this...
Of course he's a politician and much of what he has to oay will be put on expenses so we'll pay it for him, he can hike fuel duty and then claim most of his journeys are work related.
A casual observation now, we all knwo that when fuek prices rise then everything else gets more expensive too. If Bell becomes chancellor and fuel duty goes up every year it won't be long before many of us are struggling. even worse, the increase on costs to business will possibly see cuts being made as well as prices rising. | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 21:21 - Jan 19 with 833 views | majorraglan |
It’s an article from a hack in the Daily Express offer8ng a view and scaremongering, I reckon we can file in the bin. | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 07:44 - Jan 20 with 743 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:07 - Jan 19 by SullutaCreturned |
Torsten Bell.....end by the sound of it.
Be careful what you wish for because if Reeves goes and we get this...
Of course he's a politician and much of what he has to oay will be put on expenses so we'll pay it for him, he can hike fuel duty and then claim most of his journeys are work related.
A casual observation now, we all knwo that when fuek prices rise then everything else gets more expensive too. If Bell becomes chancellor and fuel duty goes up every year it won't be long before many of us are struggling. even worse, the increase on costs to business will possibly see cuts being made as well as prices rising. |
We are all poorer because of Brexit.
Its tbe elephant in the room.
Realign or rejoin and the growth will return.
Fuel duty is a side issue at uk level.
Its cost is keenly felt without growth.
You cant get growth in a Brexit world.
Its a dumb ass idea … 🇬🇧 |  |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:20 - Jan 20 with 615 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 07:44 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack |
We are all poorer because of Brexit.
Its tbe elephant in the room.
Realign or rejoin and the growth will return.
Fuel duty is a side issue at uk level.
Its cost is keenly felt without growth.
You cant get growth in a Brexit world.
Its a dumb ass idea … 🇬🇧 |
Wrong, so very wrong.
Since the Brexit referendum the Uk economy has grown more than Germany, Italy and Japan.
We have also increased our exports with the service sector at an all time high.
Raising fuel duty causes inflation to rise, it's not a side issue, it's a central plank of our issues. High duel prices affect EVERYBODY even if they don't have a petrol or diesel vehicle.
acuitytrading.com/market-commentary/why-the-uk-economy-is-growing-faster-than-the-eurozone#:~:text=The%20IMF%20expects%20the%20UK,than%20Germany%2C%20France%20and%20Italy.&text=The%20British%20Chambers%20of%20Commerce,from%20its%20previous%200.8%25%20projection.
It turned out to be 0.6% I think. | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:38 - Jan 20 with 589 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 07:44 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack |
We are all poorer because of Brexit.
Its tbe elephant in the room.
Realign or rejoin and the growth will return.
Fuel duty is a side issue at uk level.
Its cost is keenly felt without growth.
You cant get growth in a Brexit world.
Its a dumb ass idea … 🇬🇧 |
But the facts don’t align with anything you say. Our economy and tax take is larger than it’s ever been. The suicidal policy of high tax, high borrowing, high debt over the last 40 years or so is shared by the European Union and they are massively creaking as well. |  |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:34 - Jan 20 with 569 views | Dr_Winston |
At least being out of the EU at least we're not on the hook for bailing out Southern Europe again.
Everything is running pretty much as I expected. The more the EU takes in other nations, all with their hands out like the Irish did for years, the more the "core" countries populations will begin to wonder just what the hell it is they're getting out of it.
Nationalist politics are dictating the conversations in Germany, France and Italy. If one of them exits, the whole lot will probably collapse. |  |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:53 - Jan 20 with 554 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:20 - Jan 20 by SullutaCreturned |
Wrong, so very wrong.
Since the Brexit referendum the Uk economy has grown more than Germany, Italy and Japan.
We have also increased our exports with the service sector at an all time high.
Raising fuel duty causes inflation to rise, it's not a side issue, it's a central plank of our issues. High duel prices affect EVERYBODY even if they don't have a petrol or diesel vehicle.
acuitytrading.com/market-commentary/why-the-uk-economy-is-growing-faster-than-the-eurozone#:~:text=The%20IMF%20expects%20the%20UK,than%20Germany%2C%20France%20and%20Italy.&text=The%20British%20Chambers%20of%20Commerce,from%20its%20previous%200.8%25%20projection.
It turned out to be 0.6% I think. |
The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU. This largely reflects our view that the increase in non-tariff barriers on UK-EU trade acts as an additional impediment to the exploitation of comparative advantage.
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:55 - Jan 20 with 553 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:38 - Jan 20 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
But the facts don’t align with anything you say. Our economy and tax take is larger than it’s ever been. The suicidal policy of high tax, high borrowing, high debt over the last 40 years or so is shared by the European Union and they are massively creaking as well. |
Bloomberg found that Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year.
Facts. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:57 - Jan 20 with 550 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:34 - Jan 20 by Dr_Winston |
At least being out of the EU at least we're not on the hook for bailing out Southern Europe again.
Everything is running pretty much as I expected. The more the EU takes in other nations, all with their hands out like the Irish did for years, the more the "core" countries populations will begin to wonder just what the hell it is they're getting out of it.
Nationalist politics are dictating the conversations in Germany, France and Italy. If one of them exits, the whole lot will probably collapse. |
The EU invests in under developed counties/regions so they can then grow and create new markets for all us.
I am not sure you fully understand. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 19:05 - Jan 20 with 531 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:55 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack |
Bloomberg found that Brexit is costing the UK economy £100 billion a year.
Facts. |
Bloomberg is more of a campaign group than a credible news source. Another clear example of activists masquerading as journalists in this brave new world. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 20:19 - Jan 20 with 494 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:53 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack |
The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU. This largely reflects our view that the increase in non-tariff barriers on UK-EU trade acts as an additional impediment to the exploitation of comparative advantage.
Facts. |
You said there'sno growth with Brexit, the fact is you are wrong. I provided you with facts but you don't like them so ignore them.
Bloomberg analysts said that on the 3 year brexit anniversary, we're a tad past 3 years now. Their analysis reflects trade with the EU, does it take into account increased trade outside the EU, increased exports to non EU states?
PS, when you read the words "our view" that means it may not be a fact, just their opinion, it could be. | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 06:46 - Jan 21 with 422 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 20:19 - Jan 20 by SullutaCreturned |
You said there'sno growth with Brexit, the fact is you are wrong. I provided you with facts but you don't like them so ignore them.
Bloomberg analysts said that on the 3 year brexit anniversary, we're a tad past 3 years now. Their analysis reflects trade with the EU, does it take into account increased trade outside the EU, increased exports to non EU states?
PS, when you read the words "our view" that means it may not be a fact, just their opinion, it could be. |
I did not say no growth, but again you mislead people.
The uk desperately needs growth.
The EU nations have performed better than UK since Brexit.
I was quoting the Office for Budget Resoinsibility here which is part of UK Govt.
Therefore realigning or rejoining will boost uk growth.
Tbe Office for Budget Responsibility is clear that the idiot trade deals delivered by idiot Liz Truss comes nowhere near compensating.
Fact. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 10:31 - Jan 21 with 367 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 07:44 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack |
We are all poorer because of Brexit.
Its tbe elephant in the room.
Realign or rejoin and the growth will return.
Fuel duty is a side issue at uk level.
Its cost is keenly felt without growth.
You cant get growth in a Brexit world.
Its a dumb ass idea … 🇬🇧 |
Any evidence we are all poorer because of Brexit or is that just your opinion.
I suspect everyone in the EU has become poorer in the last 5 years, because of covid debts, energy crisis causesd by the Russian invasion of Ukraine . Unemployment higher in EU than UK, stagnant growth in EU, Germany in recession. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:09 - Jan 21 with 303 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 07:44 - Jan 20 by Kilkennyjack |
We are all poorer because of Brexit.
Its tbe elephant in the room.
Realign or rejoin and the growth will return.
Fuel duty is a side issue at uk level.
Its cost is keenly felt without growth.
You cant get growth in a Brexit world.
Its a dumb ass idea … 🇬🇧 |
Hold up, these are you words...
Fuel duty is a side issue at uk level.
Its cost is keenly felt without growth.
You cant get growth in a Brexit world.
Its a dumb ass idea … 🇬🇧
Maybe you should learn to comprehend English before posting stuff eh? | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:11 - Jan 21 with 300 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 06:46 - Jan 21 by Kilkennyjack |
I did not say no growth, but again you mislead people.
The uk desperately needs growth.
The EU nations have performed better than UK since Brexit.
I was quoting the Office for Budget Resoinsibility here which is part of UK Govt.
Therefore realigning or rejoining will boost uk growth.
Tbe Office for Budget Responsibility is clear that the idiot trade deals delivered by idiot Liz Truss comes nowhere near compensating.
Fact. |
No then, as my previous posts shows, I didn't mislead anybody.
Shame you don't seem to understand your own words eh. | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:34 - Jan 21 with 286 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:09 - Jan 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Hold up, these are you words...
Fuel duty is a side issue at uk level.
Its cost is keenly felt without growth.
You cant get growth in a Brexit world.
Its a dumb ass idea … 🇬🇧
Maybe you should learn to comprehend English before posting stuff eh? |
Relative growth mun ffs
The only substantive point is that the Uk would have been far better off without Brexit.
That means we have less money for public services.
That means poorer public services.
Less jobs, less opportunities.
Starmer is finding out its impossible to get even relative growth without EU realignment or rejoin.
Facts. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:20 - Jan 21 with 251 views | majorraglan |
The consensus among many organisations and economists is that Brexit has had a negative impact on our GDP and that real GDP is between 2% and 3% than it would have been had we not left the EU. I dare say unless someone has a massive knowledge of how the workings are calculated etc there’ll be arguing until the cows come home whether the figure is correct or not, but it’s a figure broadly accepted by many professionals.
In terms of real GDP growth, if direct comparisons are made of Q4 in 2019 to Q3 2024 (most recent data) then it’s clear growth across the Eurozone is out performing the U.K. - but the devil is in the detail.
US real GDP growth 11.5%
Canada real GDP growth 7.5%
Eurozone real GDP growth 4.6%
Italy real GDP growth 5.6%
France real GDP. growth 4.0%
U.K. real GDP. growth 2.9%
Germany real GDP. growth 0.1%
There are articles from academics which suggest the average citizen is £2,000 per yer worse off after Brexit, some will accept that fact and some won’t.
People will believe what they want. | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:48 - Jan 21 with 237 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 17:34 - Jan 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Relative growth mun ffs
The only substantive point is that the Uk would have been far better off without Brexit.
That means we have less money for public services.
That means poorer public services.
Less jobs, less opportunities.
Starmer is finding out its impossible to get even relative growth without EU realignment or rejoin.
Facts. |
Oh so you want to edit what you said so you can be right, just accept it, you said we can't have growth in a brexit world and yet we have growth. You can't add in words later, don't be dumb. | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 19:01 - Jan 21 with 229 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:20 - Jan 21 by majorraglan |
The consensus among many organisations and economists is that Brexit has had a negative impact on our GDP and that real GDP is between 2% and 3% than it would have been had we not left the EU. I dare say unless someone has a massive knowledge of how the workings are calculated etc there’ll be arguing until the cows come home whether the figure is correct or not, but it’s a figure broadly accepted by many professionals.
In terms of real GDP growth, if direct comparisons are made of Q4 in 2019 to Q3 2024 (most recent data) then it’s clear growth across the Eurozone is out performing the U.K. - but the devil is in the detail.
US real GDP growth 11.5%
Canada real GDP growth 7.5%
Eurozone real GDP growth 4.6%
Italy real GDP growth 5.6%
France real GDP. growth 4.0%
U.K. real GDP. growth 2.9%
Germany real GDP. growth 0.1%
There are articles from academics which suggest the average citizen is £2,000 per yer worse off after Brexit, some will accept that fact and some won’t.
People will believe what they want. |
I don't doubt that many people are worse of since brexit but I will put that at least partly down to our useless politicians.
The average person being £2000 worse off though, I can only speak for my family and we are a fairly average family, we are better off now than we ever were in 2017. The thing about that is, there are various circumstances invovled in that that aren't really average (no we haven't inherited a pile or anything like that) but that I won't go into.
I think it's very hard for academics to put such precise figures on these things because averages include numbers from both extremes all the way down to the middle. Theaverage household income in the UK is apparently 72k, the average full time income in Wales is apparently 38.3k. How many on here are average? | | | |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 21:10 - Jan 22 with 120 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:20 - Jan 21 by majorraglan |
The consensus among many organisations and economists is that Brexit has had a negative impact on our GDP and that real GDP is between 2% and 3% than it would have been had we not left the EU. I dare say unless someone has a massive knowledge of how the workings are calculated etc there’ll be arguing until the cows come home whether the figure is correct or not, but it’s a figure broadly accepted by many professionals.
In terms of real GDP growth, if direct comparisons are made of Q4 in 2019 to Q3 2024 (most recent data) then it’s clear growth across the Eurozone is out performing the U.K. - but the devil is in the detail.
US real GDP growth 11.5%
Canada real GDP growth 7.5%
Eurozone real GDP growth 4.6%
Italy real GDP growth 5.6%
France real GDP. growth 4.0%
U.K. real GDP. growth 2.9%
Germany real GDP. growth 0.1%
There are articles from academics which suggest the average citizen is £2,000 per yer worse off after Brexit, some will accept that fact and some won’t.
People will believe what they want. |
Great post.
Facts see.
The Brexidiot gang wont like this.
They hate experts. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 21:17 - Jan 22 with 116 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 18:48 - Jan 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Oh so you want to edit what you said so you can be right, just accept it, you said we can't have growth in a brexit world and yet we have growth. You can't add in words later, don't be dumb. |
The substantive point stands.
We have far less money for everyone and everything directly because of Brexit.
Do you take everything quite literally ?
A winger flying down the wing needs to be in an aeroplane … ?
A colossus at the back does not mean a 10 ft tall centre back..?
Grimes in the engine room does not mean he works with machinery ?
Happy to help as always. | |
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| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 21:23 - Jan 22 with 106 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Surprise tip to replace Rachel Reeves on 19:01 - Jan 21 by SullutaCreturned |
I don't doubt that many people are worse of since brexit but I will put that at least partly down to our useless politicians.
The average person being £2000 worse off though, I can only speak for my family and we are a fairly average family, we are better off now than we ever were in 2017. The thing about that is, there are various circumstances invovled in that that aren't really average (no we haven't inherited a pile or anything like that) but that I won't go into.
I think it's very hard for academics to put such precise figures on these things because averages include numbers from both extremes all the way down to the middle. Theaverage household income in the UK is apparently 72k, the average full time income in Wales is apparently 38.3k. How many on here are average? |
Thats why the nice EU people gave Wales structural funding.
Post industrial Wales needs help.
We were told Brexit would deliver benefits, it hasn’t cos its a dumb ass idea.
No politician can deliver it, as has been proven with Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.
Chewed them up and spat them out. | |
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