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It looks like Putin is going further than to just take control of the Donbas area, and may be wanting to overthrow the govt and put in president who would be sympathetic to Russia
Which is pretty similar to what he has in Belarus.
Putin doesn't want NATO right next door to Russia which I get, but looking at things from countries like Poland, Lithuania, Estonia etc’s stand point they experienced some pretty difficult times from 1945 onwards and are fearful of what could happen to them again if they didn’t have additional protection NATO provides. Looking at what’s happened to the Ukraine, it’s not difficult to see their concerns. We’ve seen a couple of nasty incidents occur in our country where it’s been alleged Russian intelligence have acted against former citizens.
It’s a pity we can’t all just live in peace.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 00:43 - Feb 25 with 1298 views
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Russia invade Ukraine on 01:16 - Feb 25 with 1302 views
"The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. It has had some influence within the Russian military, police and foreign policy elites and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military. Its publication in 1997 was well received in Russia. Powerful Russian political figures subsequently took an interest in Dugin, a Russian eurasianist, fascist, and nationalist who has developed a close relationship with Russia's Academy of the General Staff.
The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe"
In Europe: Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad Oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow—Berlin axis".
France should be encouraged to form a bloc with Germany, as they both have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.
Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".
Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.
Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian—Russian sphere.
Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.
Romania, North Macedonia, Serbia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece — "Orthodox collectivist East" — will unite with "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.
In the United States:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements — extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics" - Sound familiar?
"The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. It has had some influence within the Russian military, police and foreign policy elites and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military. Its publication in 1997 was well received in Russia. Powerful Russian political figures subsequently took an interest in Dugin, a Russian eurasianist, fascist, and nationalist who has developed a close relationship with Russia's Academy of the General Staff.
The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe"
In Europe: Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad Oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow—Berlin axis".
France should be encouraged to form a bloc with Germany, as they both have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.
Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".
Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.
Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian—Russian sphere.
Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.
Romania, North Macedonia, Serbia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece — "Orthodox collectivist East" — will unite with "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.
In the United States:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements — extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics" - Sound familiar?
Russia invade Ukraine on 03:03 - Feb 25 by Kilkennyjack
Brexit UK has enabled this.
Pikey you div.
Brexit didn't cause this you utter womble, EU expansionism was part of the cause, as was the notion of Ukraine joining NATO. I also believe Putin has wanted this for a while because he wants Ukraine's resources with NATO and the EU supplying the excuse.
"The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. It has had some influence within the Russian military, police and foreign policy elites and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military. Its publication in 1997 was well received in Russia. Powerful Russian political figures subsequently took an interest in Dugin, a Russian eurasianist, fascist, and nationalist who has developed a close relationship with Russia's Academy of the General Staff.
The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe"
In Europe: Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad Oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow—Berlin axis".
France should be encouraged to form a bloc with Germany, as they both have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe.
Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".
Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.
Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian—Russian sphere.
Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.
Romania, North Macedonia, Serbia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece — "Orthodox collectivist East" — will unite with "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.
In the United States:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements — extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics" - Sound familiar?
Russia invade Ukraine on 11:15 - Feb 25 by Catullus
Brexit didn't cause this you utter womble, EU expansionism was part of the cause, as was the notion of Ukraine joining NATO. I also believe Putin has wanted this for a while because he wants Ukraine's resources with NATO and the EU supplying the excuse.
When you say EU expansion, the Ukrainian people and it’s government want closer alignment with the EU because they can see the benefits that membership would bring to them in terms of prosperity etc, it’s hardly a case if the EU sending the ranks in and forcing them to join. In terms of NATO membership, like the Baltic countries and Poland they wanted membership to try and protect themselves from the type of thing we’ve just seen. I agree about the resources.
In terms of Brexit, I do believe it is a contributory factor as Europe is now more divided - divide and conquer!
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Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 11:30 - Feb 25 with 1149 views
Russia invade Ukraine on 11:27 - Feb 25 by majorraglan
When you say EU expansion, the Ukrainian people and it’s government want closer alignment with the EU because they can see the benefits that membership would bring to them in terms of prosperity etc, it’s hardly a case if the EU sending the ranks in and forcing them to join. In terms of NATO membership, like the Baltic countries and Poland they wanted membership to try and protect themselves from the type of thing we’ve just seen. I agree about the resources.
In terms of Brexit, I do believe it is a contributory factor as Europe is now more divided - divide and conquer!
Yes Ukraine was interested in joining but the EU does want to expand, while it is a peaceful process all they are doing is trying to build a power base by a different method to Putin. The EU doesn't have a standing army so could not have invaded, if NATO had marched into Ukraine Putin would have responded.
The EU is not Europe, the EU lost ONE member state but we still have NATO and the UK is still in NATO, if NATO didn't stop Putin what could the UK remaining have done?
Putin does not want a NATO and/or EU member right on his border.
Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:27 - Feb 24 by Badlands
Putin is as far from being a communist Ghengis Khan. He’s an extreme right wing, Christian megalomanic.
If you want a reasonably accurate parallel for Putin I’d suggest Hermann Goring. A wildly corrupt gangster-thug who fate conspired to place in a position of real power. Though Putin doesn’t have that Benny Hill-like air of bonhomie Goring exuded, Putin is all dark menace.
I wouldn’t get carried away with the idea that Putin is a Christian either. He uses the Orthodox Church in much the same way a roofer uses a hammer, it’s a useful tool for him that helps get the job done.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:41 - Feb 25 with 1112 views
Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:26 - Feb 25 by Lohengrin
If you want a reasonably accurate parallel for Putin I’d suggest Hermann Goring. A wildly corrupt gangster-thug who fate conspired to place in a position of real power. Though Putin doesn’t have that Benny Hill-like air of bonhomie Goring exuded, Putin is all dark menace.
I wouldn’t get carried away with the idea that Putin is a Christian either. He uses the Orthodox Church in much the same way a roofer uses a hammer, it’s a useful tool for him that helps get the job done.
Best assessment I have read. (I'll go with the old school anglicised) Goering was spectacularly corrupt in a nest of corruption. A fine supporter of the German pharmaceutical industry. Gangster thug about sums it up. Not the first to use the church or pretend faith for political gain either.
I was reflecting I was in Kyiv for work about four years ago. Ukrainians are tough people, not the most liberally enlightened it's fair to say, but generous and certainly people who thought life was there to be lived. A lot of people are going to die I feel. Can see this becoming a very attritional urban war.
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Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:54 - Feb 25 with 1094 views
Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:41 - Feb 25 by Professor
Best assessment I have read. (I'll go with the old school anglicised) Goering was spectacularly corrupt in a nest of corruption. A fine supporter of the German pharmaceutical industry. Gangster thug about sums it up. Not the first to use the church or pretend faith for political gain either.
I was reflecting I was in Kyiv for work about four years ago. Ukrainians are tough people, not the most liberally enlightened it's fair to say, but generous and certainly people who thought life was there to be lived. A lot of people are going to die I feel. Can see this becoming a very attritional urban war.
Ukrainians won’t ever accept Russian soldiers on their streets so if they try and occupy I can see it getting very ugly everyday. You’d have thought he’d learnt his lesson in Afghanistan and Chechnya but no, the idiot has really phucked himself this time.
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Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:56 - Feb 25 with 1094 views
Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:26 - Feb 25 by Lohengrin
If you want a reasonably accurate parallel for Putin I’d suggest Hermann Goring. A wildly corrupt gangster-thug who fate conspired to place in a position of real power. Though Putin doesn’t have that Benny Hill-like air of bonhomie Goring exuded, Putin is all dark menace.
I wouldn’t get carried away with the idea that Putin is a Christian either. He uses the Orthodox Church in much the same way a roofer uses a hammer, it’s a useful tool for him that helps get the job done.
I was trying to find a cartoon online that appears in one of my late grandfather's substantial books on WW2.
I think it's French given the spelling. It shows a very bestial and drooling Stalin being served a casserole of the Baltic States-little Estonians, Latvians etc. in national dress. Hitler is the waiter.
That's my next worry
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Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 13:44 - Feb 25 with 1063 views
Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:54 - Feb 25 by bennytheblue
Ukrainians won’t ever accept Russian soldiers on their streets so if they try and occupy I can see it getting very ugly everyday. You’d have thought he’d learnt his lesson in Afghanistan and Chechnya but no, the idiot has really phucked himself this time.
Ben Putin doesn't give a monkeys Old KGB officers never change. He is still hurting over the break up of USSR and ha always wanted those countries back.
Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:56 - Feb 25 by Professor
I was trying to find a cartoon online that appears in one of my late grandfather's substantial books on WW2.
I think it's French given the spelling. It shows a very bestial and drooling Stalin being served a casserole of the Baltic States-little Estonians, Latvians etc. in national dress. Hitler is the waiter.
That's my next worry
[Post edited 25 Feb 2022 13:01]
I’m pretty sure I know the one you’re talking about, I’ve got it reproduced in a book here somewhere. I’ve got several covering the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, it’s probably in one of those.
Did you catch the Latvian President on the BBC earlier? He absolutely lambasted the cowardice, as he sees it, of The EU.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 14:30 - Feb 25 with 1037 views
Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 14:10 - Feb 25 by Lohengrin
I’m pretty sure I know the one you’re talking about, I’ve got it reproduced in a book here somewhere. I’ve got several covering the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, it’s probably in one of those.
Did you catch the Latvian President on the BBC earlier? He absolutely lambasted the cowardice, as he sees it, of The EU.
In work developing governance systems around the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act. As exciting as it sounds and this is my break from it.
I didn't, but he's right. Like the Italians seeking dispensation from sanctions to sell luxury goods.
That would fit with the timing -pretty sure it's in the first volume of this:
We had a number of Estonian and Latvian partners of EU-funded projects over the years. All fear Putin. Had to calm down a PhD student yesterday who was convinced we will have nuclear war and that her dad will be conscripted. I am pretty certain Putin gets what he wants from this, the only question is the price he and Ukraine pay.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 14:53 - Feb 25 with 1014 views
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Russia invade Ukraine on 15:32 - Feb 25 with 984 views
Russia invade Ukraine on 20:54 - Feb 24 by Dr_Parnassus
That’s the kind of silly article I’m talking about Cat.
So he misunderstood a point that a journalist made, responded to it.
What a non article and waste of internet space.
He said: "You know what’s also very dangerous is you told me about the amphibious attack by Americans. You shouldn't be saying that, because you and everybody else shouldn’t know about. They should do that secretly, not be doing that through the great Laura Ingraham.”
“No, those are the Russians,” she said, correcting him.
“Oh, I thought you said that we were sending people in,” Trump added. “That’ll be next.”
Silly to you maybe, purely because it shows Trump in a bad light.
Russia now threatening Finland & Sweden means we’re fast moving into WWIII territory.
US, EU & UK already invested in conflict against Russia. China softly aligned with Russia. Ukraine may be only hot spot now, but cyber/finance is global -and Russia menacing rest of continent.
Russia invade Ukraine on 15:46 - Feb 25 by trampie
Russia now threatening Finland & Sweden means we’re fast moving into WWIII territory.
US, EU & UK already invested in conflict against Russia. China softly aligned with Russia. Ukraine may be only hot spot now, but cyber/finance is global -and Russia menacing rest of continent.
The Russians and the Finns are old enemies, neither they nor Sweden are in NATO. It's a blatant power grab, a territory grab, Putin wants what isn't in the EU or NATO so he has a buffer between Russia and us.
It's why he probably wont go to Poland, Hungary Latvia, Lithuania or Estonia because NATO would have to act and that is far too dangerous a road, or is he that bonkers?
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