| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 176837 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:35 - Feb 24 with 1949 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:29 - Feb 24 by Catullus |
Were they hostile to Russia or did they want to join NATO because they were scared of what Russia might do?
Don't tell me, it's the Neo Nazi's, those same people who exist in large numbers in Russia it's just Putin doesn't like the neo's in Ukraine, in his homeland the neo's are OK!
Oh look where Neo Nazi's have been getting trained, look who supports far right groups,
https://www.dw.com/en/why-are-german-neo-nazis-training-in-russia/a-53702613 |
The Neo Nazis are in public office and they were helped there by the US. Admittedly, Ukraine has had elections since then, but the govt is very right wing and hostile towards Russia, especially as it intends to join NATO. With Russian history, the last thing they want is a extreme right wing state next to them | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:00 - Feb 24 with 1907 views | Catullus |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:35 - Feb 24 by controversial_jack |
The Neo Nazis are in public office and they were helped there by the US. Admittedly, Ukraine has had elections since then, but the govt is very right wing and hostile towards Russia, especially as it intends to join NATO. With Russian history, the last thing they want is a extreme right wing state next to them |
And yet Putin has snuggled up to far right politicians and allows far right extremists into Russia to get military training. Doesn't exactly scream of being worried does it.
Putin doesn't care about Ukraine's government he just didn't want Ukraine being in NATO and the EU. He says he doesn't even consider Ukraine to be a country but just a region of Russia. I'm sure he knows the history though, the Kievan Rus and that Ukraine has been a country longer than it was part of Russia.
BTW,
https://www.radicalrightanalysis.com/2019/11/30/zelensky-struggles-to-contain-uk
It seems Zelenskyy is trying to contain the neo's which is a different view to yours. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:12 - Feb 24 with 1898 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:35 - Feb 24 by controversial_jack |
The Neo Nazis are in public office and they were helped there by the US. Admittedly, Ukraine has had elections since then, but the govt is very right wing and hostile towards Russia, especially as it intends to join NATO. With Russian history, the last thing they want is a extreme right wing state next to them |
and Ukraine can't be particularly happy with a left wing dictatorship next door either as seen today | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:19 - Feb 24 with 1875 views | max936 |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 12:22 - Feb 24 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Russia would be totally and completely annihilated by NATO militarily but he holds the nuclear weapon card which is the reason everyone is so reluctant to fight back.
I don’t think anybody doubts that this tiny angry man in high heels is mad enough to push that button in a strop whilst crying “I’m a big boy!” |
I don't think he'll stop at Ukraine, Poland be next. |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:23 - Feb 24 with 1863 views | Catullus |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:19 - Feb 24 by max936 |
I don't think he'll stop at Ukraine, Poland be next. |
The Baltic countries have been making preparations, Lithuania has mobilised and sent troops to the border just in case.
This has the makings of a real disaster for Europe. To think people were worried about Brexit, then we get a pandemic and could be on the verge of an all out war on the continent.
It makes leaving the EU look about as important a choice as what to have for breakfast! | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:27 - Feb 24 with 1861 views | Boundy |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:19 - Feb 24 by max936 |
I don't think he'll stop at Ukraine, Poland be next. |
What's to stop him , he's burnt his bridges with most European nations , the only way I can see this not escalating further is if from within Russia the dissenting voices ( albeit subdued atm ) become louder ,sanctions may work if it affects the daily lives of its citizens . | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:14 - Feb 24 with 1821 views | max936 |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:27 - Feb 24 by Boundy |
What's to stop him , he's burnt his bridges with most European nations , the only way I can see this not escalating further is if from within Russia the dissenting voices ( albeit subdued atm ) become louder ,sanctions may work if it affects the daily lives of its citizens . |
He's threatening Nuclear weapons already, he does realise that Russia is not the only country with Nuclear weapons, if things did get out of hand will it draw in China, most definitely in my opinion | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:22 - Feb 24 with 1813 views | Badlands |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:12 - Feb 24 by Boundy |
and Ukraine can't be particularly happy with a left wing dictatorship next door either as seen today |
What left wing dictatorship? |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:27 - Feb 24 with 1803 views | Badlands |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 10:59 - Feb 24 by felixstowe_jack |
The evil of communist dictatorships never goes away Russian and China invading countries. |
Putin is as far from being a communist Ghengis Khan.
He’s an extreme right wing, Christian megalomanic. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:33 - Feb 24 with 1782 views | majorraglan |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:27 - Feb 24 by Badlands |
Putin is as far from being a communist Ghengis Khan.
He’s an extreme right wing, Christian megalomanic. |
I agree with you on this. The old Eastern block referred to as Communist, but in reality they were just authoritarian gangsters fiefdoms where the rich and powerful took what they wanted. | | | |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:54 - Feb 24 with 1751 views | Catullus |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:27 - Feb 24 by Badlands |
Putin is as far from being a communist Ghengis Khan.
He’s an extreme right wing, Christian megalomanic. |
I have pointed out that Putin doesn't seem to mind Neo Nazi's in his own country and has cosied up with far right politicians like Marine Le Pen.
Left or right is getting less relevant in politics, it's all about greed and power. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:07 - Feb 24 with 1733 views | Dr_Winston |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:14 - Feb 24 by max936 |
He's threatening Nuclear weapons already, he does realise that Russia is not the only country with Nuclear weapons, if things did get out of hand will it draw in China, most definitely in my opinion |
The Chinese are watching what happens with great interest. One eye on Europe, another across the Taiwan Strait. |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:22 - Feb 24 with 1706 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:19 - Feb 24 by max936 |
I don't think he'll stop at Ukraine, Poland be next. |
Poland is a member of NATO. Article 5 means that's a different ball game. |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:34 - Feb 24 with 1681 views | Boundy |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:22 - Feb 24 by Jack_Meoff |
Poland is a member of NATO. Article 5 means that's a different ball game. |
Different but not beyond becoming a reality . | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:50 - Feb 24 with 1649 views | bennytheblue |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:22 - Feb 24 by Jack_Meoff |
Poland is a member of NATO. Article 5 means that's a different ball game. |
Completely….massive loss of life but Russia would be invaded by nato forces if he shows anymore aggression I reckon. |  | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:54 - Feb 24 with 1638 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:32 - Feb 24 by Catullus |
You forgot the "Neo nazis" and "Russia has a right to defend itself" and we've had a full house!
Dr P is right, you can say some of those and still think it's abhorrent but there are a few on here who seem determined to defend Russia and criticise the USA, it's as if only one of those has ever done anything wrong!
PS, https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-mistakenly-thinks-that-us-troo
it's so good that he is n the ball and knows what's going on because Biden hasn't a clue  [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 17:01]
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That’s the kind of silly article I’m talking about Cat.
So he misunderstood a point that a journalist made, responded to it.
What a non article and waste of internet space.
He said: "You know what’s also very dangerous is you told me about the amphibious attack by Americans. You shouldn't be saying that, because you and everybody else shouldn’t know about. They should do that secretly, not be doing that through the great Laura Ingraham.”
“No, those are the Russians,” she said, correcting him.
“Oh, I thought you said that we were sending people in,” Trump added. “That’ll be next.” |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:59 - Feb 24 with 1616 views | Gwyn737 |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:07 - Feb 24 by Dr_Winston |
The Chinese are watching what happens with great interest. One eye on Europe, another across the Taiwan Strait. |
Yep. I mentioned this earlier.
No matter what blame is cast for the reasons this has happened, the fact is Russia has invaded a sovereign country.
We should be focussing on that and what it could mean with China. | | | |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:01 - Feb 24 with 1615 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 18:23 - Feb 24 by Catullus |
The Baltic countries have been making preparations, Lithuania has mobilised and sent troops to the border just in case.
This has the makings of a real disaster for Europe. To think people were worried about Brexit, then we get a pandemic and could be on the verge of an all out war on the continent.
It makes leaving the EU look about as important a choice as what to have for breakfast! |
Putin funded Brexit.
The Russian report says the government chose not to look for the evidence. Very convenient.
Brexit was not the only factor, but it was a Putin policy win to weaken the EU.
This might help you understand. |  |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 21:08 - Feb 24 with 1593 views | majorraglan |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:59 - Feb 24 by Gwyn737 |
Yep. I mentioned this earlier.
No matter what blame is cast for the reasons this has happened, the fact is Russia has invaded a sovereign country.
We should be focussing on that and what it could mean with China. |
Indeed. Russia has been cosying up to the Chinese over the last few years, for the West’s sanctions to take effect against Russia their going to have to try and ensure the Russians don’t just turn to the Chinese instead, the Chinese on the the the other hand have to play their cards carefully because if they fully support Russia they could lose out on trade etc with the West which is a much bigger market. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 21:41]
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:50 - Feb 24 with 1523 views | DJack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 19:54 - Feb 24 by Catullus |
I have pointed out that Putin doesn't seem to mind Neo Nazi's in his own country and has cosied up with far right politicians like Marine Le Pen.
Left or right is getting less relevant in politics, it's all about greed and power. |
Cat, I've been banging that drum for years and they all ignore it as it doesn't fit with their ideologically driven "points". |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:56 - Feb 24 with 1519 views | controversial_jack |
It looks like Putin is going further than to just take control of the Donbas area, and may be wanting to overthrow the govt and put in president who would be sympathetic to Russia | | | |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 22:56 - Feb 24 with 1519 views | DJack |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:22 - Feb 24 by Jack_Meoff |
Poland is a member of NATO. Article 5 means that's a different ball game. |
He will use the same playbook as he did before and destabilise the politics by financing far left and right. Install a Russia friendly/bought Government and stir up his bought nazi's to justify another "invite" to instill order. All previous Soviet satellite states should be very worried.
Moldova then Hungary are next. | |
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 23:08 - Feb 24 with 1513 views | max936 |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 20:50 - Feb 24 by bennytheblue |
Completely….massive loss of life but Russia would be invaded by nato forces if he shows anymore aggression I reckon. |
No chance he'll start sending Nukes into Europe etc, plus China won't stand back and let that happen, we'll be entering the end game.
I don't know what the answer is though, Frightening times. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 23:11]
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| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 23:38 - Feb 24 with 1491 views | raynor94 |
| Will Russia invade Ukraine? on 23:08 - Feb 24 by max936 |
No chance he'll start sending Nukes into Europe etc, plus China won't stand back and let that happen, we'll be entering the end game.
I don't know what the answer is though, Frightening times. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 23:11]
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He won't do that Max, even he won't start armageddon, he's having a bit of a surprise already in Ukraine they are not going to roll over.
He knows attacking a Nato alliance will invite a whole new ball game |  |
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