| Clydach murders on 22:23 - Oct 23 with 1836 views | Tim_Harry |
| Clydach murders on 22:12 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack |
Could you print up what evidence the police put to Morris in his first interview please.
You seem very sure of what was or wasn't known. |
Are you being serious or what, mate?
No matter what narrative you believe, Morris knew there was evidence against him.
I've got no idea of the evidence the police put to him in the interview, but guilty or not, he would have known about the chain. Whatever side of the story you choose to believe, he would have known about it.
And it would have had a heavy influence on his answers to questioning. |  | |  |
| Clydach murders on 22:34 - Oct 23 with 1811 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 22:09 - Oct 23 by trampie |
So you are saying there are no eye witnesses putting Morris at the scene on the day of the murders and he also says he wasn't there. |
No I am not saying there was no evidence. From memory I seem to remember there was some woman but that would need checking. Even if no one saw him that doesnt mean he wasn't there. We only see snippets. The jury see a hell of a lot more and not everything is reported. There is usually a lot of ms information as well. I remember in the early days after the murder there some report about a girl and a description and my sister saying it resembled a certain person. But it had nothing at all to do with this girl and she was moved from the enquiries.
The difficulty is the New Inn is about 1/2 mile from Kelvin Road along the road. However you can also go along the river and then it is only a short distance away so somebody might not have seen the person going there. That river then leads back to the path through woods to Morris house so it is entirely possible nobody would have seen him. What I heard is that the paint on the chain matched paint in his house. It was at that stage he changed his version of events. The jury would have heard far more than us and they have been totally convinced he was guilty. I dont think it is for us to decide otherwise. The family who sat through the trial also think they have got the right person and what I was told by a father of someone covering the trial is that the press did as well including the BBC reporters. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 22:40 - Oct 23 with 1802 views | Catullus |
| Clydach murders on 22:34 - Oct 23 by exhmrc1 |
No I am not saying there was no evidence. From memory I seem to remember there was some woman but that would need checking. Even if no one saw him that doesnt mean he wasn't there. We only see snippets. The jury see a hell of a lot more and not everything is reported. There is usually a lot of ms information as well. I remember in the early days after the murder there some report about a girl and a description and my sister saying it resembled a certain person. But it had nothing at all to do with this girl and she was moved from the enquiries.
The difficulty is the New Inn is about 1/2 mile from Kelvin Road along the road. However you can also go along the river and then it is only a short distance away so somebody might not have seen the person going there. That river then leads back to the path through woods to Morris house so it is entirely possible nobody would have seen him. What I heard is that the paint on the chain matched paint in his house. It was at that stage he changed his version of events. The jury would have heard far more than us and they have been totally convinced he was guilty. I dont think it is for us to decide otherwise. The family who sat through the trial also think they have got the right person and what I was told by a father of someone covering the trial is that the press did as well including the BBC reporters. |
No one saw him but it doesn't mean he wasn't there.....we'd usually call that no evidence and isn't an argument a lawyer could expect to work, though I'm sure some have tried it.
I've always thought there was something dodgy about this. I'm not saying I know the man is innocent but there is another witness who saw the brothers together when they said they weren't, who saw them where they said they weren't and if he's genuine then they lied, so why did they lie? | |
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| Clydach murders on 22:50 - Oct 23 with 1780 views | pikeypaul |
| Clydach murders on 22:40 - Oct 23 by Catullus |
No one saw him but it doesn't mean he wasn't there.....we'd usually call that no evidence and isn't an argument a lawyer could expect to work, though I'm sure some have tried it.
I've always thought there was something dodgy about this. I'm not saying I know the man is innocent but there is another witness who saw the brothers together when they said they weren't, who saw them where they said they weren't and if he's genuine then they lied, so why did they lie? |
The taxi driver saw the two together walking towards the house around 2am,but the police refused to follow his statement up ,he returned a week later and gave it again,they ignored it again,now 20 years later they are saying they will look at it. Good luck with that.
Is that normal police procedure? |  |
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| Clydach murders on 22:58 - Oct 23 with 1775 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 22:34 - Oct 23 by exhmrc1 |
No I am not saying there was no evidence. From memory I seem to remember there was some woman but that would need checking. Even if no one saw him that doesnt mean he wasn't there. We only see snippets. The jury see a hell of a lot more and not everything is reported. There is usually a lot of ms information as well. I remember in the early days after the murder there some report about a girl and a description and my sister saying it resembled a certain person. But it had nothing at all to do with this girl and she was moved from the enquiries.
The difficulty is the New Inn is about 1/2 mile from Kelvin Road along the road. However you can also go along the river and then it is only a short distance away so somebody might not have seen the person going there. That river then leads back to the path through woods to Morris house so it is entirely possible nobody would have seen him. What I heard is that the paint on the chain matched paint in his house. It was at that stage he changed his version of events. The jury would have heard far more than us and they have been totally convinced he was guilty. I dont think it is for us to decide otherwise. The family who sat through the trial also think they have got the right person and what I was told by a father of someone covering the trial is that the press did as well including the BBC reporters. |
So no one seen Morris at the scene but others in the frame so to speak were apparently seen at the scene, interesting. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 23:21 - Oct 23 with 1753 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 22:58 - Oct 23 by trampie |
So no one seen Morris at the scene but others in the frame so to speak were apparently seen at the scene, interesting. |
You are assuming something that might not be right. I think there was a woman who did but as I say it doesnt really matter. The woman in the programme was put forward in the first trial but her belief was rejected by the jury. Morris defence team for the second trial led by the UKs most famous defence barrister and arguably the most successful barrister in misjustice cases didnt see fit to bring evidence forward.
He could have had better.
He was recently described as "The king of human rights work" by The Legal 500 and as a Leading Silk in civil liberties and human rights (including actions against the police).
A British republican, vegetarian, socialist and self-described "radical lawyer", he has participated in prominent and controversial court cases and inquests involving accused IRA bombers, the Birmingham Six, Bloody Sunday incident, the Hillsborough disaster and the deaths of Jean Charles de Menezes and Dodi Al-Fayed[5] and the McLibel case.
Face up to it Morris had the best money could buy and still the jury believed he was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt but then you think otherwise. He was successful in all the above but not for Morris | | | |
| Clydach murders on 23:24 - Oct 23 with 1748 views | Andy1300 |
| Clydach murders on 23:21 - Oct 23 by exhmrc1 |
You are assuming something that might not be right. I think there was a woman who did but as I say it doesnt really matter. The woman in the programme was put forward in the first trial but her belief was rejected by the jury. Morris defence team for the second trial led by the UKs most famous defence barrister and arguably the most successful barrister in misjustice cases didnt see fit to bring evidence forward.
He could have had better.
He was recently described as "The king of human rights work" by The Legal 500 and as a Leading Silk in civil liberties and human rights (including actions against the police).
A British republican, vegetarian, socialist and self-described "radical lawyer", he has participated in prominent and controversial court cases and inquests involving accused IRA bombers, the Birmingham Six, Bloody Sunday incident, the Hillsborough disaster and the deaths of Jean Charles de Menezes and Dodi Al-Fayed[5] and the McLibel case.
Face up to it Morris had the best money could buy and still the jury believed he was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt but then you think otherwise. He was successful in all the above but not for Morris |
Plenty of innocent people get banged up inside |  |
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| Clydach murders on 23:34 - Oct 23 with 1734 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 23:21 - Oct 23 by exhmrc1 |
You are assuming something that might not be right. I think there was a woman who did but as I say it doesnt really matter. The woman in the programme was put forward in the first trial but her belief was rejected by the jury. Morris defence team for the second trial led by the UKs most famous defence barrister and arguably the most successful barrister in misjustice cases didnt see fit to bring evidence forward.
He could have had better.
He was recently described as "The king of human rights work" by The Legal 500 and as a Leading Silk in civil liberties and human rights (including actions against the police).
A British republican, vegetarian, socialist and self-described "radical lawyer", he has participated in prominent and controversial court cases and inquests involving accused IRA bombers, the Birmingham Six, Bloody Sunday incident, the Hillsborough disaster and the deaths of Jean Charles de Menezes and Dodi Al-Fayed[5] and the McLibel case.
Face up to it Morris had the best money could buy and still the jury believed he was guilty beyond all reasonable doubt but then you think otherwise. He was successful in all the above but not for Morris |
So the jury only get to see what the powers that be allow them to see and not all the known evidence then, interesting. | |
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| Clydach murders on 23:36 - Oct 23 with 1726 views | Luther27 |
| Clydach murders on 23:24 - Oct 23 by Andy1300 |
Plenty of innocent people get banged up inside |
Everyone inside pleads innocence. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 23:40 - Oct 23 with 1712 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 23:36 - Oct 23 by Luther27 |
Everyone inside pleads innocence. |
I thought that some plead guilty to get released earlier and some admit guilty when their are inside to try and get back out as quickly as possible, Morris is condemning himself to staying there by not saying he did it. | |
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| Clydach murders on 23:41 - Oct 23 with 1700 views | raynor94 |
| Clydach murders on 23:24 - Oct 23 by Andy1300 |
Plenty of innocent people get banged up inside |
With the greatest respect, 2 juries, and three appeal justice's didn't believe him.
Good friends of mine who were brought up and went to school with him, are 100% convinced of his guilt.
There for the grace of God he didn't kill the bloke who he tossed out of an upstairs window |  |
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| Clydach murders on 00:04 - Oct 24 with 1697 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 23:34 - Oct 23 by trampie |
So the jury only get to see what the powers that be allow them to see and not all the known evidence then, interesting. |
Obviously judges make decisions on what is and isnt admissable. That is what they are there for. To ensure a fair trial not a one sided version like the BBC who didnt even give the police an advance warning of what was in the programme yet the BBC complain about a few things not being given to the defence. That is why it should be left to judges and jurors not TV reporters who are there to try to get large audiences.
Wyre Davies wasn't present was he. Penny Roberts covered both trials so she knows the real truth | | | |
| Clydach murders on 00:12 - Oct 24 with 1688 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:04 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
Obviously judges make decisions on what is and isnt admissable. That is what they are there for. To ensure a fair trial not a one sided version like the BBC who didnt even give the police an advance warning of what was in the programme yet the BBC complain about a few things not being given to the defence. That is why it should be left to judges and jurors not TV reporters who are there to try to get large audiences.
Wyre Davies wasn't present was he. Penny Roberts covered both trials so she knows the real truth |
Nobody knows the real truth in this case. | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:25 - Oct 24 with 1668 views | raynor94 |
| Clydach murders on 23:40 - Oct 23 by trampie |
I thought that some plead guilty to get released earlier and some admit guilty when their are inside to try and get back out as quickly as possible, Morris is condemning himself to staying there by not saying he did it. |
He's serving 4 life sentences, he won't see the light of day again | |
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| Clydach murders on 00:42 - Oct 24 with 1663 views | chad |
| Clydach murders on 00:04 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
Obviously judges make decisions on what is and isnt admissable. That is what they are there for. To ensure a fair trial not a one sided version like the BBC who didnt even give the police an advance warning of what was in the programme yet the BBC complain about a few things not being given to the defence. That is why it should be left to judges and jurors not TV reporters who are there to try to get large audiences.
Wyre Davies wasn't present was he. Penny Roberts covered both trials so she knows the real truth |
I think the claim was that evidence disclosure was withheld from the defence on public interest grounds. So the defence have no idea what general type of public interests were supposed to be being protected, what sort of evidence was being withheld, nor the amount of it. The Barrister that spoke seemed to find this quite unusual in such a case. Withholding data under Public Interest often done on national security grounds or in my experience can be used at lower levels to cover official backs.
Isn’t that quite different from the judge ruling evidence inadmissible. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 07:11 - Oct 24 with 1619 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 00:25 - Oct 24 by raynor94 |
He's serving 4 life sentences, he won't see the light of day again |
I'm sure that will be the case unless he gets the conviction overturned and that looks unlikely because if he didn't do it, who did.....hhm a can of worms, can't see the authorities going there unless they have no choice. | |
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| Clydach murders on 08:55 - Oct 24 with 1586 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 00:12 - Oct 24 by trampie |
Nobody knows the real truth in this case. |
Penny Roberts sat through the 11 weeks trial and was convinced of his guilt. She heard nearly all the evidence. Wyre Davies didnt. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 09:03 - Oct 24 with 1577 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 08:55 - Oct 24 by exhmrc1 |
Penny Roberts sat through the 11 weeks trial and was convinced of his guilt. She heard nearly all the evidence. Wyre Davies didnt. |
Was she in the murder house at the time ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:05 - Oct 24 with 1574 views | trampie |
I would be interested to see a link to what Roberts thoughts were, have you got one exhmrc1 ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:08 - Oct 24 with 1568 views | theloneranger |
If some people believe that the SWP are protecting their own ...
Then WHY did the Lewis brothers with their then solicitor David Hutchinson ( also would become the solicitor to Morris) make formal complaints against 18 police officers of all ranks from constable to Detective Superintendent. They also made a complaint against the Chief Constable of South Wales!!
These complaints included perjury, attempting to pervert the course of justice, wrongful arrest, disclosure of confidential information, inappropriate disclosure of sensitive information, etc.
This doesn't seem a very sensible action to take if you know that the SWP are in your corner and protecting you!! |  |
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| Clydach murders on 09:26 - Oct 24 with 1558 views | trampie |
As regards others exhmrc1, wasn't there DNA of a known person on Mandy (yet she washed religiously) ?
Were there others that had sports strength, fitness and aggression in the frame, who was capable of handling a stick or bar ? and rain down blow after blow onto 4 victims and not miss once, apparently not one hit on wall, floor, furniture etc (only light bulb) everyone hit its target, what 50 out of 50, 100 out of 100 hits, do you think a person on drink and drugs could do that ?
Was there someone else the bloody handprint matched better than Morris ?
Was there someone else that was a forensic expert ?
Was there someone else that had severe mental torment after the murders ?
Was there others with a motive to kill Mandy ?, I wouldn't even say Morris had a motive but was that the case for others.
How do the explain the behaviour of some of the police, not securing the scene, barely passing on on a shift change, can't remember what they did for a few hours, lost log book/failed to make notes ?
Like I said if they had put someone else on trial first they may have been done for the same crime Morris was, from what I've heard there might be more evidence against others than there was against Morris.
Like I've said Morris might have done it, he might not have done but guilty beyond reasonable doubt is a surprising outcome to a lot of people with no witnesses and little forensic evidence, the last person I spoke to about the case thought that if he did do it then the jury got the right result in error. [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 9:45]
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| Clydach murders on 09:30 - Oct 24 with 1549 views | trampie |
Oh exhmrc1 was there unknown DNA on the murder weapon and on the spent matches that was not Morris DNA ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:32 - Oct 24 with 1546 views | trampie |
They seem to be looking for one person but could there have been more than one person involved, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than one, weren't some of the bodies moved around. | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:36 - Oct 24 with 1540 views | trampie |
What about the photofit that a witness seen in the area, I didn't look like Morris but did it look like someone else ? | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:50 - Oct 24 with 1528 views | trampie |
Did Morris even have time to do it, walk there under influence of drink and drugs, kill granny - why ?, get chair and TV down stairs to stand on and the change fuse and kill the rest of them.
As regards the timeline it makes one wonder what side the defence was on the way they performed. | |
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