| John Eustace 21:47 - Jul 21 with 18529 views | Chief |
Is this the height of the club's ambition? QPRs assistant? |  |
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| John Eustace on 23:12 - Jul 21 with 2383 views | londonlisa2001 |
| John Eustace on 23:01 - Jul 21 by Dr_Winston |
Twitter followers don't equal income.
In terms of cold, hard cash we're basically in the same boat we were ten years ago. |
Yeah they do indirectly which is why every commercial outfit in every sector spends so much money doing it. If they didn’t equal income companies would ignore it.
We aren’t.
We are just nowhere near as big as we should be for the money we received. |  | | |
| John Eustace on 23:15 - Jul 21 with 2356 views | Treforys_Jack |
| John Eustace on 23:12 - Jul 21 by londonlisa2001 |
Yeah they do indirectly which is why every commercial outfit in every sector spends so much money doing it. If they didn’t equal income companies would ignore it.
We aren’t.
We are just nowhere near as big as we should be for the money we received. |
Ridiculous money was spent on wages on too many flops during the last 3 yrs in the PL. I'd hate to see an actual figure Andre Ayew creamed out of us. |  | | |
| John Eustace on 23:17 - Jul 21 with 2344 views | Jonathans_coat |
| John Eustace on 22:55 - Jul 21 by KeithHaynes |
Nailed on then. My point was he wasn’t on the final shortlist as the bbc stated. |
If Cooper and the club agreed to part ways 2 weeks ago, then the club would have been sorting things out in the background for a replacement from then on (at the latest). The old “he was on the final shortlist last time” story just sounds like a bit of spin from the club to soften the blow that he is probably the best we can get within our budget at short notice! |  | | |
| John Eustace on 23:20 - Jul 21 with 2328 views | majorraglan |
| John Eustace on 23:15 - Jul 21 by Treforys_Jack |
Ridiculous money was spent on wages on too many flops during the last 3 yrs in the PL. I'd hate to see an actual figure Andre Ayew creamed out of us. |
For me, your first sentence sums up the reason the club is where it is now, the subsequent efforts at balancing the books has taken a lot out of the club. | | | |
| John Eustace on 23:36 - Jul 21 with 2274 views | londonlisa2001 |
| John Eustace on 23:15 - Jul 21 by Treforys_Jack |
Ridiculous money was spent on wages on too many flops during the last 3 yrs in the PL. I'd hate to see an actual figure Andre Ayew creamed out of us. |
Combination of buying badly and stupid contracts for ‘free’ players.
Started with Gomis. | | | |
| John Eustace on 23:37 - Jul 21 with 2268 views | jackrmee |
If it is to be Eustace, maybe he would do a double act with Rangel? |  |
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| John Eustace on 00:11 - Jul 22 with 2208 views | KeithHaynes |
| John Eustace on 23:15 - Jul 21 by Treforys_Jack |
Ridiculous money was spent on wages on too many flops during the last 3 yrs in the PL. I'd hate to see an actual figure Andre Ayew creamed out of us. |
I think when David did an article he estimated it around 16.5 million.
I know, it’s sickening. |  |
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| John Eustace on 02:03 - Jul 22 with 2137 views | Dr_Parnassus |
This sort of appointment was always going to be the case as people said at the time.
Wanting a manager out who has managed to get us to the play offs in back to back seasons whilst being paid a pittance, due to delusional dreams of unearthing another Brendan Rodgers was, and is, incredibly stupid. He genuinely has been the benchmark for a lot of our fans and it’s completely unattainable.
Our fans are spoiled and wildly deluded these days.
- We probably have an income which puts us in the bottom half
- We have the 19th biggest stadium
- We were among the lowest spenders in the league for the previous 2 seasons
- We have a mid table salary budget
- We appear to pay our managers among the lowest rates in the league
No I’m not blaming the fans for his exit, I’m sure he left as he could see what he was working with (not very much). But it’s this delusional disposition that creeps in and does us no good, demanding we be top 2, demanding the owners spend in line with the big boys of the division, thinking we can appoint who we like as manager and they will jump at the chance.
We need to start recognising where we are in the football hierarchy. We are yet again a small to middling Championship side. The chances of us returning to the Premier League anytime soon are slim, the chances of us reaching the Premier League and staying there for any prolonged period of time again are almost non existent.
This is what others see, the sooner we see it the better it is for our expectation levels. I said at the time once Cooper leaves we will long for the days of 4th and 6th place Cooperball. If you thought the fans were apathetic towards the last 2 seasons, just wait until we are 13th and 14th in mid table obscurity.
As for the next manager. He will be someone relatively inexperienced, someone who will be happy to be here on little money and little to spend. Eustace fits the bill with that regard.
Talk of unearthing the next Brendan Rodgers is just pie in the sky, if it happens then great. But let’s be under no illusion - it’s extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely.
Eustace did well at Kiddie, getting to two playoffs (sounds familiar), maybe that’s what certain reports meant by “in the mould of Cooper”...then for some reason decided to be a number 2 in the Championship for the last 3 years. That’s the part that concerns me.
Was caretaker manager at QPR for 7 matches but they clearly didn’t fancy him as boss, losing 4 of them. He does seem to have a reputation for decent football though.
It’s a risk, but it was always going to be one. [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 2:38]
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| John Eustace on 03:25 - Jul 22 with 2109 views | Treforys_Jack |
| John Eustace on 00:11 - Jul 22 by KeithHaynes |
I think when David did an article he estimated it around 16.5 million.
I know, it’s sickening. |
Wow, eye watering, nothing against him personally as none of us would turn that down if offered, however very poor return in the end. | | | |
| John Eustace on 04:23 - Jul 22 with 2086 views | Rock |
| John Eustace on 03:25 - Jul 22 by Treforys_Jack |
Wow, eye watering, nothing against him personally as none of us would turn that down if offered, however very poor return in the end. |
This is what he said in response to being questioned about the ridiculous wages he was on with us. The arrogance and lack of self-reflection is strong with this one:
https://theathletic.com/2596949/2021/05/19/andre-ayew-swanseas-promotion-push-hi
“When managers or people speak about money, when you look at football it’s a sport where when you do your job very well, you get paid more as the years go – it’s the same as a journalist, it’s natural,” he says.
“If you get to that stage, and when I look at what I’ve done, I can’t be sitting down and saying I’m earning too much money. No. Because I’m working hard and I’m doing everything to deserve what I get. And I don’t play football and think about the money that’s coming. I play because I want to win.” |  | | |
| John Eustace on 04:29 - Jul 22 with 2082 views | Rock |
John Eustace: I was told to retire at 25… but gave everything to play until 35
https://theathletic.com/2132296/2020/10/14/john-eustace-derby-injuries-qpr-assis
Ryan Conway
John Eustace embodied determination. On the field, with his dogged style of play and never-say-die attitude, and off it, in the way he battled against lengthy injury layoffs.
He finally retired in 2015 after a short trial spell at Rangers. By that point, he’d eked all he could out of battered legs. His retirement came a decade later than many thought it would.
“I moved to Stoke (in 2003) at 23, played the first six months there and then got a serious groin injury that put me out for a year,” he explains to The Athletic. “I managed to come back from that but in my first proper game back, I had a knee injury that kept me out for 18 months. After two ops on my left knee, I was told to retire so I flew out to America. Richard Steadman (a knee specialist) was a good surgeon at the time.
“Stoke told me I had to retire. I told them I wanted to go to America to see the specialist but they told me they weren’t willing to pay for it, they told me I had the best treatment in England. I told them it was fine and I’d do it myself. He gave me a very small surgery and I managed to come back.”
Eustace, who is now assistant manager at Queens Park Rangers, saw the visit to Dr Steadman as the last chance to save his career but banked on himself to complete the lengthy rehab. He had already suffered a serious knee injury at 17 and then again in 2001.
“I was very determined. It made me want to prove people wrong. It was the worst experience of my career but I’d done it at 17 and had a long period out, so you’re prepared for it. You know what’s going to come and all the hard work that needs to be done. I was very fortunate in the way I was brought up. My parents made me appreciate what I’d got, everything from hard work.”
The injuries forced him to revise how he played the game. He shelved his all-action style and became a more controlled player at the base of midfield, using his experience, intelligence and tough tackling to screen the back four and enable those with more magic in their boots to create further forward.
His fitness remained a question and at 33, with his contract due to expire in 2013, Watford offered him a coaching role. Manager Gianfranco Zola was keen to keep Eustace around but the midfielder was desperate to prolong his playing career.
At that point, Nigel Clough and Derby County came calling. Eustace had previously been on loan with Derby in 2009 when Clough was struggling for bodies in the middle of the park. They tried to make the deal permanent at the end of the season but the midfielder was keen to play under Malky Mackay at Watford.
Four years later, Eustace was offered the chance to train and show his quality during Derby’s pre-season preparations. A contract was signed.
“I wanted to impress in pre-season for Watford but I had a chronic back problem and let myself down really,” he says. “Gianfranco hadn’t seen the best of me and told me he wasn’t going to offer me a playing contract but wanted to keep me around as a coach. It was a nice gesture but I felt I had another couple of years playing. Then Nigel came calling and I got my chance in pre-season and took it from there really. If it was a player/coach role at Watford, I think I would have stayed.”
Eustace acted as a mentor for young hopes at Derby such as Will Hughes, Craig Bryson and Johnny Russell. The move gave him new life as he embraced the coaching side while still being able to contribute on the pitch.
However, he then suffered another injury to spell the end of his time at Derby. He felt discomfort in his knee just after half-time at Ipswich Town in January 2015, but continued to play through the pain and help Derby grind out a 1-0 win – despite being sent off in stoppage time. The knee needed surgery and he knew his days on the pitch were numbered. He was released at the end of that season.
“The Ipswich game summed my career up really. Did my knee in just after half-time, played through it, got sent off, we won 1-0 and produced a gritty performance. If there was ever going to be a game that was going to be my last, I was content with that one.”
After a long time in recovery, he tried to kick-start his playing career one last time in Scotland. Mark Warburton invited him to pre-season with Rangers but he quickly realised he was no longer at the level required to play and stepped away from the game.
He initially struggled with retirement. The match-day buzz, dressing room banter and camaraderie are a huge part of any professional footballer’s life. Eustace was no different but he knew his next steps. He had an exit strategy.
“It was very difficult to retire. But I’d also known that I did absolutely everything to play until 35. In hindsight I shouldn’t have gone to Rangers, I should have retired. I lasted a couple of weeks and my knee got worse. I did more harm than good.
“I was very fortunate that I was able to finish my coaching badges, then the following season I went into management with Kidderminster. I didn’t have time to feel sorry for myself.”
Eustace left Kidderminster Harriers in the National League to accept an offer from former boss Steve McClaren and join as his assistant manager at QPR. Now, he is plying his trade as No 2 to Warburton, who joined QPR as manager in May 2019. Eustace is enjoying the role of coaching and shaping young minds such as Eberechi Eze, who moved to Crystal Palace this summer, but there are some elements of modern football that the former Derby midfielder feels are missing from when he was a trainee in 1996.
“There is a certain level of discipline that you can still do with the boys that they should be given,” he explained. “I remember the first day at Coventry, the kit man pulled four or five of us in and read the riot act, telling us this is part of our education. We were told we wouldn’t be getting away with anything, that we were obviously good footballers but don’t think coming to Coventry was going to be an easy ride.
“It can still be put across to a lot of the younger boys in some way. Maybe not as harsh as back then. But a lot of them now can’t handle that initial telling off, there’s little discipline. Certainly a lot less than when I started and I don’t think that’s the right thing.”
Eustace was sent off on his last professional match
His break in coaching with Kidderminster was a steep learning curve. Eustace wrestled with the responsibilities of having the top job but is thankful for the opportunity.
“The two years I had there was unbelievable. I prepared myself in the previous two years for coaching, so I’d left no stone unturned. But the other side of it… from managing budgets, looking after the players and their problems, looking after different characters, leaving players out, bringing players in. Players all have egos, so it was about managing those. The travel. Everything.
“It was all new to me. I didn’t realise how football clubs worked from the top. It made me aware of how football clubs should be run.”
It is a side of the game in which Eustace feels some young coaches can come unstuck, particularly if they get their first taste of management much higher up the football pyramid where everything is supersized. Cutting your teeth in the lower leagues is a hard sell but it is a path he encourages.
“I would recommend any young manager to do the same, to really put yourself out there and put yourself in a very, very tough environment. There are some good players at that level and all types of people, they’ve got full-time jobs away from it, they’re players who didn’t make it, for whatever reason, at a higher level when their ability says they could have.
“There are a lot of players coming from non-League and going into the Football League. There are so many things I wouldn’t have known had I not done it.
“The most important thing is the result on a Saturday but to get to that result, you have to do hundreds of things. There is a lot to consider when you’re in that seat. Once you’re in it, you won’t know what’s hit you.” | | | |
| John Eustace on 07:23 - Jul 22 with 1957 views | angryjack |
Tamping we joke of club have a look sky bet the frontrunners all cheap options andy scott is even one favourites and tate joke | | | |
| John Eustace on 07:26 - Jul 22 with 1948 views | angryjack |
| John Eustace on 07:23 - Jul 22 by angryjack |
Tamping we joke of club have a look sky bet the frontrunners all cheap options andy scott is even one favourites and tate joke |
It's a job for his mate Scott's mate..stinks | | | |
| John Eustace on 07:42 - Jul 22 with 1898 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| John Eustace on 07:23 - Jul 22 by angryjack |
Tamping we joke of club have a look sky bet the frontrunners all cheap options andy scott is even one favourites and tate joke |
There was a reason those wanting Cooper out were asked directly for realistic replacements...
I guess they are starting to understand why now.
Don’t get me wrong Eustace may well turn out to be a masterstroke, but it would have been far more prudent and less of a risk to try and keep the manager we had happy.
They were a safe pair of hands during very rocky times. [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 8:01]
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| John Eustace on 07:53 - Jul 22 with 1867 views | jackrmee |
| John Eustace on 07:23 - Jul 22 by angryjack |
Tamping we joke of club have a look sky bet the frontrunners all cheap options andy scott is even one favourites and tate joke |
Caretaker and interim managers completing at least 10 competitive games will be deemed the permanent manager
-John Eustace 1/6
-Cameron Toshack 7/1
-Russell Martin 9/1
-Alan Tate 11/1
-Eidur Gudjohnsen 11/1
-Alex Neil 12/1
-Andy Scott 12/1
-Chris Wilder 12/1
-Michael Flynn 14/1
-Angel Rangel 16/1 | |
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| John Eustace on 07:59 - Jul 22 with 1840 views | Headmaster |
I won't care if he gets us playing proper football again, but it's an underwhelming choice if true. I don't think the club is in such a bad place that we can't attract a few decent managers. |  | | |
| John Eustace on 08:05 - Jul 22 with 1809 views | Dr_Parnassus |
“Solihull-born former Coventry City, Stoke City, Watford and Derby midfielder Eustace joined Harriers following the relegation from the National League to the sixth tier in April 2016.
He led them to second place in his first season, missing out on automatic promotion to AFC Fylde. But they then lost in the play-offs, which was again their fate this season after finishing fourth.”
This shows my utter ignorance now we have spent the last 15 years in the upper reaches. I had no idea Kiddie has sunk so low. So we are appointing a manager who has only ever managed in the National League North?
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| John Eustace on 08:15 - Jul 22 with 1780 views | angryjack |
| John Eustace on 07:42 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
There was a reason those wanting Cooper out were asked directly for realistic replacements...
I guess they are starting to understand why now.
Don’t get me wrong Eustace may well turn out to be a masterstroke, but it would have been far more prudent and less of a risk to try and keep the manager we had happy.
They were a safe pair of hands during very rocky times. [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 8:01]
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Come on.i could name a lot better names than that we could have head hunted and not on mega wages either..another Kevin cullis..this could turn out to be | | | |
| John Eustace on 08:20 - Jul 22 with 1763 views | raynor94 |
| John Eustace on 08:15 - Jul 22 by angryjack |
Come on.i could name a lot better names than that we could have head hunted and not on mega wages either..another Kevin cullis..this could turn out to be |
Go on then, name a few |  |
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| John Eustace on 08:24 - Jul 22 with 1743 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| John Eustace on 08:15 - Jul 22 by angryjack |
Come on.i could name a lot better names than that we could have head hunted and not on mega wages either..another Kevin cullis..this could turn out to be |
Draw up a shortlist of 5 names for us, just as an exercise.
So someone who will come in on budget (one of the lowest paid in the league as Cooper was according to reports), happy to work without much financial backing and with a track record of relative success under these circumstances.
There isn’t too many I can think of that aren’t along the same lines as Eustace and be complete and utter stabs in the dark. | |
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| John Eustace on 08:45 - Jul 22 with 1678 views | Johnw102 |
I was always told buy cheap, buy twice. Perhaps the Swansea board should think on that! |  |
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| John Eustace on 09:03 - Jul 22 with 1592 views | angryjack |
| John Eustace on 08:20 - Jul 22 by raynor94 |
Go on then, name a few |
Ian Evatt for a start..had Bolton playing lovely stuff got them promoted low budget...Russell Martin another..Michael duff another Cheltenham play nice stuff..they just off top my head and I don't get paid to do it unlike scott who probably on thousands [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 9:07]
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| John Eustace on 09:06 - Jul 22 with 1581 views | Badlands |
| John Eustace on 02:03 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
This sort of appointment was always going to be the case as people said at the time.
Wanting a manager out who has managed to get us to the play offs in back to back seasons whilst being paid a pittance, due to delusional dreams of unearthing another Brendan Rodgers was, and is, incredibly stupid. He genuinely has been the benchmark for a lot of our fans and it’s completely unattainable.
Our fans are spoiled and wildly deluded these days.
- We probably have an income which puts us in the bottom half
- We have the 19th biggest stadium
- We were among the lowest spenders in the league for the previous 2 seasons
- We have a mid table salary budget
- We appear to pay our managers among the lowest rates in the league
No I’m not blaming the fans for his exit, I’m sure he left as he could see what he was working with (not very much). But it’s this delusional disposition that creeps in and does us no good, demanding we be top 2, demanding the owners spend in line with the big boys of the division, thinking we can appoint who we like as manager and they will jump at the chance.
We need to start recognising where we are in the football hierarchy. We are yet again a small to middling Championship side. The chances of us returning to the Premier League anytime soon are slim, the chances of us reaching the Premier League and staying there for any prolonged period of time again are almost non existent.
This is what others see, the sooner we see it the better it is for our expectation levels. I said at the time once Cooper leaves we will long for the days of 4th and 6th place Cooperball. If you thought the fans were apathetic towards the last 2 seasons, just wait until we are 13th and 14th in mid table obscurity.
As for the next manager. He will be someone relatively inexperienced, someone who will be happy to be here on little money and little to spend. Eustace fits the bill with that regard.
Talk of unearthing the next Brendan Rodgers is just pie in the sky, if it happens then great. But let’s be under no illusion - it’s extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely.
Eustace did well at Kiddie, getting to two playoffs (sounds familiar), maybe that’s what certain reports meant by “in the mould of Cooper”...then for some reason decided to be a number 2 in the Championship for the last 3 years. That’s the part that concerns me.
Was caretaker manager at QPR for 7 matches but they clearly didn’t fancy him as boss, losing 4 of them. He does seem to have a reputation for decent football though.
It’s a risk, but it was always going to be one. [Post edited 22 Jul 2021 2:38]
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The reason most of the fans who wanted him gone felt like that was nothing to do with status, size or position is the the a**e numbingly boring and predicable football we played.
Cooper was also largely about loans, players developed to a high standard by others whereas he really didn’t develop much (baring Cabango who has developed into a regular?) and wasted a lot of money not playing the loan players. Even those who have been regular starters have no residual value.
I just hope the mess he has left doesn’t turn out to be a Championship version of Monk's legacy. |  |
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| John Eustace on 09:09 - Jul 22 with 1571 views | angryjack |
| John Eustace on 08:24 - Jul 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Draw up a shortlist of 5 names for us, just as an exercise.
So someone who will come in on budget (one of the lowest paid in the league as Cooper was according to reports), happy to work without much financial backing and with a track record of relative success under these circumstances.
There isn’t too many I can think of that aren’t along the same lines as Eustace and be complete and utter stabs in the dark. |
Off top my head and don't get paid thousands to research Ian evatt Michael duff Russell.martin all play decent stuff on low budgets | | | |
| John Eustace on 09:16 - Jul 22 with 1550 views | Chief |
| John Eustace on 09:06 - Jul 22 by Badlands |
The reason most of the fans who wanted him gone felt like that was nothing to do with status, size or position is the the a**e numbingly boring and predicable football we played.
Cooper was also largely about loans, players developed to a high standard by others whereas he really didn’t develop much (baring Cabango who has developed into a regular?) and wasted a lot of money not playing the loan players. Even those who have been regular starters have no residual value.
I just hope the mess he has left doesn’t turn out to be a Championship version of Monk's legacy. |
Oh here we go, this was predictable.
If this appointment doesn't work you've already put in the groundwork to blame Cooper. | |
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