| Heading The Ball 09:18 - Jan 16 with 19642 views | mingthemerciless |
It's just been on the news that school children in Scotland under the age of 12 will be banned from heading the ball in training but not in actual games. Is this the start of heading the ball becoming outlawed ? What would the game look like without heading ? [Post edited 16 Jan 2020 14:46]
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| Heading The Ball on 10:57 - Jan 19 with 1677 views | mingthemerciless |
| Heading The Ball on 09:53 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Unlike you norden I don't need to resort to childish name calling to make my points. I don't know Shun so I have no idea what his area of expertise is but now that I do know I'm sure he knows much more about brain injuries than I will ever know. I'm just not convinced about his conclusion, if that is the case, that dementia is directly related to children heading a ball. I have no problem accepting that Jeff Astles condition as with other professional footballers was partly or wholly due to his profession. It still does not explain why women get dementia? There is no need to answer my question just call me a name stupid dim or both to win the argument and move on. [Post edited 19 Jan 2020 10:45]
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As I said earlier I've headed the ball in the past and seen stars with the impact. That can't be good for the brain. I know the modern balls aren't as heavy but they still give you a jolt if the ball has traveled a fair distance. | | | |
| Heading The Ball on 11:11 - Jan 19 with 1668 views | kiwidale |
| Heading The Ball on 10:57 - Jan 19 by mingthemerciless |
As I said earlier I've headed the ball in the past and seen stars with the impact. That can't be good for the brain. I know the modern balls aren't as heavy but they still give you a jolt if the ball has traveled a fair distance. |
I've also headed the old caseys and felt it. I can't ever recall seeing stars and we learned fast knew when to avoid repeating the experience. I also know the difference with the modern balls but your point is non the less valid. | |
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| Heading The Ball on 11:12 - Jan 19 with 1663 views | Shun |
| Heading The Ball on 09:53 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Unlike you norden I don't need to resort to childish name calling to make my points. I don't know Shun so I have no idea what his area of expertise is but now that I do know I'm sure he knows much more about brain injuries than I will ever know. I'm just not convinced about his conclusion, if that is the case, that dementia is directly related to children heading a ball. I have no problem accepting that Jeff Astles condition as with other professional footballers was partly or wholly due to his profession. It still does not explain why women get dementia? There is no need to answer my question just call me a name stupid dim or both to win the argument and move on. [Post edited 19 Jan 2020 10:45]
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Women get dementia in the same way that people who don’t smoke, drink or do drugs get cancer. There are many number of factors at play to determine someone’s predisposition to a certain disease. It’s the reason anecdotal evidence (‘my grandparents all smoked 50 cigarettes a day and none of them got lung cancer, so the link between smoking and lung cancer is a myth’) doesn’t work.
Nobody’s said that heading the ball is the one crucial cause of dementia, but what the studies do show is that it increases the risk of it, as well as other problems.
I haven’t done any research on this topic myself, what I said was that I’ve done enough research in my career and studies to know that when studies like these are published we can trust them. |  | | |
| Heading The Ball on 11:18 - Jan 19 with 1667 views | kiwidale |
| Heading The Ball on 09:02 - Jan 19 by TVOS1907 |
How do you find out the ages of posters on here? |
Its not that difficult to know that Ming, Diddy Dave, myself and others are not spring chickens. Im surprised that you haven't worked that out I thought you were smarter than that. | |
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| Heading The Ball on 11:25 - Jan 19 with 1659 views | TVOS1907 |
| Heading The Ball on 11:18 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Its not that difficult to know that Ming, Diddy Dave, myself and others are not spring chickens. Im surprised that you haven't worked that out I thought you were smarter than that. |
I am, so in the interests of fairness I'll try to make it simpler for you.
"anybody over 50 is seen as ignorant dim or stupid by those under 40 who see themselves as enlightened and progressive."
How do you know who is over 50 and who is under 40? [Post edited 19 Jan 2020 11:26]
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| Heading The Ball on 11:33 - Jan 19 with 1652 views | pioneer |
| Heading The Ball on 08:27 - Jan 19 by D_Alien |
You said no research had been done with youngsters, and i asked if you'd be prepared to let your grandkids take part in such trials, as the ones heading the ball
You declined to answer, so I'll take your bluster as a "no"
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Stop embarrassing yourself. You cannot use a randomised trial to study this type of population health question. There is no randomised trial of smoking cigarettes at least among humans.
I have no kids or grandkids but if I did I’d be happy for them to play footy and head the ball just as I did. But I am beginning to wonder how many years you’ve been heading a ball. | | | |
| Heading The Ball on 11:39 - Jan 19 with 1644 views | kiwidale |
| Heading The Ball on 11:25 - Jan 19 by TVOS1907 |
I am, so in the interests of fairness I'll try to make it simpler for you.
"anybody over 50 is seen as ignorant dim or stupid by those under 40 who see themselves as enlightened and progressive."
How do you know who is over 50 and who is under 40? [Post edited 19 Jan 2020 11:26]
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I like things simple so let me make it simple for you. When posters like myself, Diddy Dave, Ming D_A and others talk about watching big Reg it kinda indicates that we are not teenagers. Is that simple enough? | |
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| Heading The Ball on 11:47 - Jan 19 with 1636 views | nordenblue |
| Heading The Ball on 09:53 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Unlike you norden I don't need to resort to childish name calling to make my points. I don't know Shun so I have no idea what his area of expertise is but now that I do know I'm sure he knows much more about brain injuries than I will ever know. I'm just not convinced about his conclusion, if that is the case, that dementia is directly related to children heading a ball. I have no problem accepting that Jeff Astles condition as with other professional footballers was partly or wholly due to his profession. It still does not explain why women get dementia? There is no need to answer my question just call me a name stupid dim or both to win the argument and move on. [Post edited 19 Jan 2020 10:45]
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Dementia blatantly isn't solely linked to heading footballs which would explain why women still get the illness, but if the risk increases due to heading surely a wise idea would be to try and reduce those risks for everyone...
I'd take Shuns conclusions over yours every day of the week and it's funny how they fit in perfectly with other various independent studies linking the two, sorry I'm over 40 yet still listen to what qualified EXPERTS say, many apologies for that....you're priceless | | | |
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| Heading The Ball on 11:50 - Jan 19 with 1631 views | TVOS1907 |
| Heading The Ball on 11:39 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
I like things simple so let me make it simple for you. When posters like myself, Diddy Dave, Ming D_A and others talk about watching big Reg it kinda indicates that we are not teenagers. Is that simple enough? |
I'm talking about your incorrect assumption about the views of people over 50/under 40 on this heading debate.
So again I'll ask how you came to that conclusion when you don't actually know the ages of all those contributing to that debate. | |
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| Heading The Ball on 11:52 - Jan 19 with 1628 views | nordenblue |
| Heading The Ball on 11:18 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Its not that difficult to know that Ming, Diddy Dave, myself and others are not spring chickens. Im surprised that you haven't worked that out I thought you were smarter than that. |
He is smarter than that, that's probably why he struggles making sense of most of your points | | | |
| Heading The Ball on 11:52 - Jan 19 with 1626 views | TVOS1907 |
| Heading The Ball on 11:47 - Jan 19 by nordenblue |
Dementia blatantly isn't solely linked to heading footballs which would explain why women still get the illness, but if the risk increases due to heading surely a wise idea would be to try and reduce those risks for everyone...
I'd take Shuns conclusions over yours every day of the week and it's funny how they fit in perfectly with other various independent studies linking the two, sorry I'm over 40 yet still listen to what qualified EXPERTS say, many apologies for that....you're priceless |
Surely you're 'kinda' under 40 given your views on the matter? | |
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| Heading The Ball on 11:59 - Jan 19 with 1614 views | kiwidale |
| Heading The Ball on 11:47 - Jan 19 by nordenblue |
Dementia blatantly isn't solely linked to heading footballs which would explain why women still get the illness, but if the risk increases due to heading surely a wise idea would be to try and reduce those risks for everyone...
I'd take Shuns conclusions over yours every day of the week and it's funny how they fit in perfectly with other various independent studies linking the two, sorry I'm over 40 yet still listen to what qualified EXPERTS say, many apologies for that....you're priceless |
You were doing so well with your first paragraph. I agree with every word then you reverted to type you obviously see denigrating people as vindication that you are right. I would love to carry on this enthralling conversation with you but I've found something better to do I'm just about to nail my nob to the floor and poke my eyes out. | |
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| Heading The Ball on 12:11 - Jan 19 with 1605 views | kiwidale |
| Heading The Ball on 11:50 - Jan 19 by TVOS1907 |
I'm talking about your incorrect assumption about the views of people over 50/under 40 on this heading debate.
So again I'll ask how you came to that conclusion when you don't actually know the ages of all those contributing to that debate. |
Im now about to nail my nob to the floor poke my eyes out and set myself on fire. | |
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| Heading The Ball on 12:12 - Jan 19 with 1602 views | pioneer |
So the words heading the ball dont appear in this summary of the study. The. authors did not attempt to measure how often or for how long former scottish professional footballers headed the ball. Nor do they make any claim about the dangers of heading the ball.
And if this study is used to claim playing professional football in Scotland causes dementia, we could also interpret from the same data and analysis that not being a professional footballer causes cancer!
These types of retrospective analyses provide interesting observations, not proof of causation, but it gives governments something to do and another reason to interfere in folks lives. | | | |
| Heading The Ball on 12:14 - Jan 19 with 1596 views | nordenblue |
| Heading The Ball on 11:59 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
You were doing so well with your first paragraph. I agree with every word then you reverted to type you obviously see denigrating people as vindication that you are right. I would love to carry on this enthralling conversation with you but I've found something better to do I'm just about to nail my nob to the floor and poke my eyes out. |
Thanks, or just stop posting as you've run out of ideas and realised none of your points actually stack up.
Will having your nob nailed to the floor increase the chance of you posting something remotely accurate, it can't possibly be detrimental | | | |
| Heading The Ball on 12:16 - Jan 19 with 1590 views | kiwidale |
| Heading The Ball on 12:12 - Jan 19 by pioneer |
So the words heading the ball dont appear in this summary of the study. The. authors did not attempt to measure how often or for how long former scottish professional footballers headed the ball. Nor do they make any claim about the dangers of heading the ball.
And if this study is used to claim playing professional football in Scotland causes dementia, we could also interpret from the same data and analysis that not being a professional footballer causes cancer!
These types of retrospective analyses provide interesting observations, not proof of causation, but it gives governments something to do and another reason to interfere in folks lives. |
It also gives grants to pursue the research there is a quid in it. | |
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| Heading The Ball on 12:19 - Jan 19 with 1585 views | TVOS1907 |
| Heading The Ball on 12:11 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Im now about to nail my nob to the floor poke my eyes out and set myself on fire. |
Probably not the best thing to say given the issues in New South Wales, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead. | |
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| Heading The Ball on 12:51 - Jan 19 with 1575 views | dingdangblue |
| Heading The Ball on 12:16 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
It also gives grants to pursue the research there is a quid in it. |
And if found to be the slightest bit true dont forget all the 'where there is blame there is a claim' opportunities to be had! It could replace PPI! Have you ever headed a football? Please call this number. |  |
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| Heading The Ball on 13:03 - Jan 19 with 1565 views | AtThePeake |
| Heading The Ball on 09:53 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Unlike you norden I don't need to resort to childish name calling to make my points. I don't know Shun so I have no idea what his area of expertise is but now that I do know I'm sure he knows much more about brain injuries than I will ever know. I'm just not convinced about his conclusion, if that is the case, that dementia is directly related to children heading a ball. I have no problem accepting that Jeff Astles condition as with other professional footballers was partly or wholly due to his profession. It still does not explain why women get dementia? There is no need to answer my question just call me a name stupid dim or both to win the argument and move on. [Post edited 19 Jan 2020 10:45]
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"I'm sure he knows much more about brain injuries than I will ever know. I'm just not convinced about his conclusion."
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| Heading The Ball on 13:08 - Jan 19 with 1560 views | D_Alien |
| Heading The Ball on 11:33 - Jan 19 by pioneer |
Stop embarrassing yourself. You cannot use a randomised trial to study this type of population health question. There is no randomised trial of smoking cigarettes at least among humans.
I have no kids or grandkids but if I did I’d be happy for them to play footy and head the ball just as I did. But I am beginning to wonder how many years you’ve been heading a ball. |
Being embarrassed isn't in my nature
You said no research had been done on youngsters heading the ball, but there's plenty of research on the formative years of the skull and the brain. Yes, i've done plenty of heading (mainly of footballs) in my time but if you're implying that's had any effect on my ability to run rings round you, you've just used the very argument that you dismissed to try and make a point, and a very poor one at that
I'm not the one trying to use the lack of research with youngsters as a valid way of continuing allowing them to head a football - you are, so don't start getting smarmy over research methodology with me, or anyone else for that matter |  |
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| Heading The Ball on 19:26 - Jan 19 with 1501 views | pioneer |
| Heading The Ball on 13:08 - Jan 19 by D_Alien |
Being embarrassed isn't in my nature
You said no research had been done on youngsters heading the ball, but there's plenty of research on the formative years of the skull and the brain. Yes, i've done plenty of heading (mainly of footballs) in my time but if you're implying that's had any effect on my ability to run rings round you, you've just used the very argument that you dismissed to try and make a point, and a very poor one at that
I'm not the one trying to use the lack of research with youngsters as a valid way of continuing allowing them to head a football - you are, so don't start getting smarmy over research methodology with me, or anyone else for that matter |
the thought never crossed mymind....but if the cap fits...... | | | |
| Heading The Ball on 19:49 - Jan 19 with 1473 views | D_Alien |
| Heading The Ball on 19:26 - Jan 19 by pioneer |
the thought never crossed mymind....but if the cap fits...... |
It's clear to most of us that thoughts rarely reach the other side of your mind, even whilst attempting to cross | |
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| Heading The Ball on 21:05 - Jan 19 with 1429 views | pioneer |
| Heading The Ball on 19:49 - Jan 19 by D_Alien |
It's clear to most of us that thoughts rarely reach the other side of your mind, even whilst attempting to cross |
So just to be clear, you accept that there is no evidence that young kids heading footballs causes dementia in later life
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Despite this lack of any evidence, you believe kids should be stopped from heading the ball in kids football
quick yes or no would be adequate. | | | |
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