| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED 13:21 - Mar 21 with 15200 views | SuddenLad |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:47 - Mar 21 with 2809 views | DaleFan7 |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:41 - Mar 21 by rochdale_ranger |
Because the club want to present an image of professionalism as oppose to an awards do in a working mans club setting like the Radcliffe. Like I said the club have done worst this season. Why didn’t the supporters trust issue a statement when Hill told fans not to bother turning up. It’s a few people in a clique who fear change and see themselves as something special when they aren’t. Why bring class into it? Total load of bollocks. Moaning about sixty five quid as though it’s a huge sum of money. I feel sorry for some of your kids, the poor feckers must be on beans and toast every night. |
The club have had plenty of opportunities to show how professional they are this season and have failed in nearly all of them.
Season tickets, tannoy announcer, chairmen telling fans not to come back, manager telling fans not to come back and constantly blaming them for defeats, the pitch, this gala event are.
The list of own goals is far too long and that's just this season for them to come out and plead professionalism at the last second. |  | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:50 - Mar 21 with 2797 views | D_Alien |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:41 - Mar 21 by rochdale_ranger |
Because the club want to present an image of professionalism as oppose to an awards do in a working mans club setting like the Radcliffe. Like I said the club have done worst this season. Why didn’t the supporters trust issue a statement when Hill told fans not to bother turning up. It’s a few people in a clique who fear change and see themselves as something special when they aren’t. Why bring class into it? Total load of bollocks. Moaning about sixty five quid as though it’s a huge sum of money. I feel sorry for some of your kids, the poor feckers must be on beans and toast every night. |
Present an image to whom? It's a club awards event, for people who support the club. It's not being filmed by Sky Atlantic, with Hendo being presented with an award via satellite link from Sandy Lane (the hot version)
Instead, they tried to turn it into an event for people who didn't necessarily support the club |  |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:56 - Mar 21 with 2767 views | off2div1 |
Why not have 2 events an awards night for the working class and children and a Gala dinner for the business men and women of this fine town. |  | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:57 - Mar 21 with 2767 views | judd |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:41 - Mar 21 by rochdale_ranger |
Because the club want to present an image of professionalism as oppose to an awards do in a working mans club setting like the Radcliffe. Like I said the club have done worst this season. Why didn’t the supporters trust issue a statement when Hill told fans not to bother turning up. It’s a few people in a clique who fear change and see themselves as something special when they aren’t. Why bring class into it? Total load of bollocks. Moaning about sixty five quid as though it’s a huge sum of money. I feel sorry for some of your kids, the poor feckers must be on beans and toast every night. |
I don't think people fear change, just oppose it when it's being done for the sake of being done.
The awards night does not need to change. The future survival of the club depends on the support of today's youth. They were totally banned from the Gala night.
The actual awards themselves have been donated by fans over the years, probably when the club couldn't afford to buy a trophy or two and were ever so grateful for the gesture. How would you feel if somebody told you that you could now stump up a grand for the privilege of awarding your own award?
You talk about professionalism - how professional is celebrating a 50th anniversary one year early? Celebrating our 110th year in our 111th? Celebrating a cup replay at Wembley? Riding roughshod over award presenters? |  |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:59 - Mar 21 with 2736 views | rochdaleriddler |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:19 - Mar 21 by rochdale_ranger |
Agreed. When they say “working class” they must mean not working and without class. Sixty five squid was not pricing out working class people. The club have ballsed up this season but this isn’t one of their balls ups. A few scruffs in the Dale bar moaning about the gala event and a so called “stick your gala dinner” chant that I didn’t hear (and I sit next to the sandy)does not constitute most supporters. |
This, earlier in the thread. Recognise it?
And after that catalogue of shite they reward themselves with a black tie event and Jeff Stelling (who will no doubt bore the tits off everyone with tales about Kammy and the rest of the “lads” on sly sports news) the directors really are reminding me of some shit soviet era politburo made up of old farts who don’t realise how shit things have been and seek to actually reward their own failure. Ive been a season ticket holder since I was thirteen ( I’m now 27) I won’t be renewing this year and it’s nowt to do with the what’s going on on the pitch. I don’t give a fook if we get relegated now will make the awards do at the town hall look even more cringeworthy. Why would you organise this shit when the chances are we will go down? Total lack of self awareness. |  |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:01 - Mar 21 with 2738 views | Dorislove |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:57 - Mar 21 by judd |
I don't think people fear change, just oppose it when it's being done for the sake of being done.
The awards night does not need to change. The future survival of the club depends on the support of today's youth. They were totally banned from the Gala night.
The actual awards themselves have been donated by fans over the years, probably when the club couldn't afford to buy a trophy or two and were ever so grateful for the gesture. How would you feel if somebody told you that you could now stump up a grand for the privilege of awarding your own award?
You talk about professionalism - how professional is celebrating a 50th anniversary one year early? Celebrating our 110th year in our 111th? Celebrating a cup replay at Wembley? Riding roughshod over award presenters? |
Nelsons trophy. |  | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:12 - Mar 21 with 2694 views | albert_park |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:45 - Mar 21 by rochdaleriddler |
I never mentioned class, I'm not in the trust, and I'm not sure why you mention my kids, you were originally replying to a bury fans wind up  |
Up to yesterday there was virtually nobody on this thread who were in favour of the event. Today there are several who WERE in favour so why wait until the event is cancelled before you post your comments. | | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:25 - Mar 21 with 2640 views | rochdale_ranger |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:45 - Mar 21 by rochdaleriddler |
I never mentioned class, I'm not in the trust, and I'm not sure why you mention my kids, you were originally replying to a bury fans wind up |
Comment wasn’t aimed at your kids it was a general comment aimed at people who were saying the town hall awards night excludes working class people etc. |  | | |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:33 - Mar 21 with 2615 views | sweetcorn |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:12 - Mar 21 by albert_park |
Up to yesterday there was virtually nobody on this thread who were in favour of the event. Today there are several who WERE in favour so why wait until the event is cancelled before you post your comments. |
Why do i have to say that i’m for the event before hand? I would have bought a ticket which would have shown my willingness to attend.
Me saying i wanted to go wouldnt have changed the opinions of those so aggrieved that they cant take their kids to an event |  |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:33 - Mar 21 with 2613 views | rochdale_ranger |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 14:59 - Mar 21 by rochdaleriddler |
This, earlier in the thread. Recognise it?
And after that catalogue of shite they reward themselves with a black tie event and Jeff Stelling (who will no doubt bore the tits off everyone with tales about Kammy and the rest of the “lads” on sly sports news) the directors really are reminding me of some shit soviet era politburo made up of old farts who don’t realise how shit things have been and seek to actually reward their own failure. Ive been a season ticket holder since I was thirteen ( I’m now 27) I won’t be renewing this year and it’s nowt to do with the what’s going on on the pitch. I don’t give a fook if we get relegated now will make the awards do at the town hall look even more cringeworthy. Why would you organise this shit when the chances are we will go down? Total lack of self awareness. |
The club organising a black tie event when we are on the verge of relegation is fookin stupid no doubt. But so is directors and Hill telling supporters to not turn up. Where was the trust statement on them two issues. Where is the consistency? Tinpot trust, tinpot fans, league two tinpot club. | | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:08 - Mar 21 with 2510 views | DorkingDale |
----and it gets even worse. Whoever threw their toys out of their pram & issued that statement on the OS should be sacked.
Anyone with an ounce of PR skill/experience would have worded it along the lines of:
"The Club realises that it has underestimated the feelings of the fans and the award donors toward the traditional format of the end of season award night. In view of this it has been decided to reinstate the evening and to invite the views of supporters about holding a Sportsmans Dinner in place of the proposed Gala Night etc etc"
There's not a mention of regret or apology in that statement. Shocking that they think they are entitled to take ownership of awards without any input from the donors.
What has happened to the Club? | | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:09 - Mar 21 with 2491 views | rochdaleriddler |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:12 - Mar 21 by albert_park |
Up to yesterday there was virtually nobody on this thread who were in favour of the event. Today there are several who WERE in favour so why wait until the event is cancelled before you post your comments. |
I didnt | |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:11 - Mar 21 with 2481 views | rochdaleriddler |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:25 - Mar 21 by rochdale_ranger |
Comment wasn’t aimed at your kids it was a general comment aimed at people who were saying the town hall awards night excludes working class people etc. |
Ah right, but it was a reply to me! | |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:13 - Mar 21 with 2473 views | 442Dale |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:33 - Mar 21 by rochdale_ranger |
The club organising a black tie event when we are on the verge of relegation is fookin stupid no doubt. But so is directors and Hill telling supporters to not turn up. Where was the trust statement on them two issues. Where is the consistency? Tinpot trust, tinpot fans, league two tinpot club. |
So because they didn’t do it for one thing, should they not for anything?
All the Trust have done is represented their members on an issue. It’s possible for any supporter to join the Trust and question them and the club via them, once a member their actions can also be held accountable and supporters can volunteer to join their board.
They have, over the years, made mistakes when it comes to not ensuring a robust process was in place to ensure the views of supporters were listened to with actual actions to follow. I know this because I’m as much to blame for allowing things to meander when involved a few years back. On this occasion they’ve quite rightly illustrated to their members and supporters how a situation developed and expressed the disappointment of many, as shown in their statement.
They won’t get it right always. Nor will the club. Both will be rightly praised and criticised accordingly by members/supporters/customers. It’s how they react to that.
We’ve seen today how the club have chosen to react. |  |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:17 - Mar 21 with 2450 views | TVOS1907 |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 15:33 - Mar 21 by rochdale_ranger |
The club organising a black tie event when we are on the verge of relegation is fookin stupid no doubt. But so is directors and Hill telling supporters to not turn up. Where was the trust statement on them two issues. Where is the consistency? Tinpot trust, tinpot fans, league two tinpot club. |
Do you think the Trust statement has caused the event to be cancelled? |  |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:22 - Mar 21 with 2431 views | D_Alien |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:08 - Mar 21 by DorkingDale |
----and it gets even worse. Whoever threw their toys out of their pram & issued that statement on the OS should be sacked.
Anyone with an ounce of PR skill/experience would have worded it along the lines of:
"The Club realises that it has underestimated the feelings of the fans and the award donors toward the traditional format of the end of season award night. In view of this it has been decided to reinstate the evening and to invite the views of supporters about holding a Sportsmans Dinner in place of the proposed Gala Night etc etc"
There's not a mention of regret or apology in that statement. Shocking that they think they are entitled to take ownership of awards without any input from the donors.
What has happened to the Club? |
If the statement came from a director, they can't be "sacked" as such, but what is concerning is that i doubt it's been run past a board meeting and i'd be surprised if the chairman was party to it - he may not even have been consulted
It wouldn't be the first time that loose cannons have caused problems in a boardroom; there are remedies for it, but money talks and sometimes talks loudest
At the very least, there should be a protocol in place for statements being issued via the OS, it's just basic corporate governance
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:32 - Mar 21 with 2379 views | judd |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:22 - Mar 21 by D_Alien |
If the statement came from a director, they can't be "sacked" as such, but what is concerning is that i doubt it's been run past a board meeting and i'd be surprised if the chairman was party to it - he may not even have been consulted
It wouldn't be the first time that loose cannons have caused problems in a boardroom; there are remedies for it, but money talks and sometimes talks loudest
At the very least, there should be a protocol in place for statements being issued via the OS, it's just basic corporate governance
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The Companies Act advises on the removal of a director from office prior to the completion of their elected period. The articles of association may also provide guidance to shareholders on the procedure..
Resignation is another option.
The statement is truly dreadful and hints of this ain't over by a long way. | |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:51 - Mar 21 with 2315 views | 100notout |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:22 - Mar 21 by D_Alien |
If the statement came from a director, they can't be "sacked" as such, but what is concerning is that i doubt it's been run past a board meeting and i'd be surprised if the chairman was party to it - he may not even have been consulted
It wouldn't be the first time that loose cannons have caused problems in a boardroom; there are remedies for it, but money talks and sometimes talks loudest
At the very least, there should be a protocol in place for statements being issued via the OS, it's just basic corporate governance
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would that be loose cannons and balls? | |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:03 - Mar 21 with 2246 views | MoonyDale |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 16:32 - Mar 21 by judd |
The Companies Act advises on the removal of a director from office prior to the completion of their elected period. The articles of association may also provide guidance to shareholders on the procedure..
Resignation is another option.
The statement is truly dreadful and hints of this ain't over by a long way. |
Toys have definitely been thrown out of the pram......Hmmmmm, Toys.. |  |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:16 - Mar 21 with 2205 views | bazingadale |
The club has every right to issue a statement like that. They're trying to enhance the club's reputation by arranging a fantastic evening and the "working classes" throw their toys out of the pram and ruin it for people like me who were ready to attend.
Also perhaps some of us like having an evening where we can unwind without kids being there. They'd have got their family fin day with the reserves and a bouncy castle and maybe a spot of face painting with Desmond the Dragon so what's the problem?
The trust should do the right thing and help get this event back on |  | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:21 - Mar 21 with 2187 views | judd |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:16 - Mar 21 by bazingadale |
The club has every right to issue a statement like that. They're trying to enhance the club's reputation by arranging a fantastic evening and the "working classes" throw their toys out of the pram and ruin it for people like me who were ready to attend.
Also perhaps some of us like having an evening where we can unwind without kids being there. They'd have got their family fin day with the reserves and a bouncy castle and maybe a spot of face painting with Desmond the Dragon so what's the problem?
The trust should do the right thing and help get this event back on |
The Town Hall balcony would be an ideal spot for you to display your Hill Out banner. | |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:25 - Mar 21 with 2167 views | TVOS1907 |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:16 - Mar 21 by bazingadale |
The club has every right to issue a statement like that. They're trying to enhance the club's reputation by arranging a fantastic evening and the "working classes" throw their toys out of the pram and ruin it for people like me who were ready to attend.
Also perhaps some of us like having an evening where we can unwind without kids being there. They'd have got their family fin day with the reserves and a bouncy castle and maybe a spot of face painting with Desmond the Dragon so what's the problem?
The trust should do the right thing and help get this event back on |
Like I said earlier, you need to try harder. | |
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:49 - Mar 21 with 2078 views | 442Dale |
Worth noting one line in the Trust statement http://www.daletrust.co.uk/2018/03/trust-statement-4/ :
<<"We were promised by the club at the October meeting that the change of format will be a "one off" for this season only...">
How does that fit alongside the following in the Club's statement today? https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2018/march/statement-gala-dinner_cancellation :
<<"The decision to hold such an event was taken to allow us to operate in a professional manner, in line with other EFL clubs, and to continue our progression off the pitch.">>
If it was to be a "one off", would that mean next season we wouldn't be operating as professionally? That next season we wouldn't have operating in line with other EFL clubs (whatever that's supposed to mean)? That next season we would not be continuing our progression off the pitch by returning to the previous format after a "one off" event at the Town Hall? [Post edited 21 Mar 2018 17:51]
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| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:53 - Mar 21 with 2058 views | JimmyRustler |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:49 - Mar 21 by 442Dale |
Worth noting one line in the Trust statement http://www.daletrust.co.uk/2018/03/trust-statement-4/ :
<<"We were promised by the club at the October meeting that the change of format will be a "one off" for this season only...">
How does that fit alongside the following in the Club's statement today? https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2018/march/statement-gala-dinner_cancellation :
<<"The decision to hold such an event was taken to allow us to operate in a professional manner, in line with other EFL clubs, and to continue our progression off the pitch.">>
If it was to be a "one off", would that mean next season we wouldn't be operating as professionally? That next season we wouldn't have operating in line with other EFL clubs (whatever that's supposed to mean)? That next season we would not be continuing our progression off the pitch by returning to the previous format after a "one off" event at the Town Hall? [Post edited 21 Mar 2018 17:51]
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The cynic in me is starting to wonder whether this was an opportunistic move made in light of the positive press/attention we received after our effort(s) against Spurs... |  | | |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:57 - Mar 21 with 2037 views | judd |
| AWARDS NIGHT CANCELLED on 17:53 - Mar 21 by JimmyRustler |
The cynic in me is starting to wonder whether this was an opportunistic move made in light of the positive press/attention we received after our effort(s) against Spurs... |
We hadn't played Spurs in October, Jimmy.
It was obviously planned prior to the October meeting with the Trust.
I very much doubt the Gala dinner was intended as a one-off to mark whatever anniversaries.
The awards night is not the only target for change within the club in order to maximise revenue streams, in my opinion. By maximise revenue streams, I of course mean encouraging the spending of money on ale not in our own pub but off site altogether. | |
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