| Tutte situation? 22:07 - Mar 3 with 9146 views | officialdale |
What is actually going on with him? No doubt the lad is good enough to start, or get more than 10 minutes each week. Is there an attitude problem, or is he simply just not good enough? Because all 3 managers haven't had much faith in him.
From what I see, he's more than capable of changing games around. & atm, he's the only player we have that doesn't seem scared to have a drive, and a good dig at goal. |  | | |  |
| Tutte situation? on 22:58 - Mar 6 with 1165 views | NotEyreClue |
When he's played he's really busted a gut and in terms of work-rate and attitude he looks a completely different player under Coleman. At the end of the day he's a goalscorer and needs service. If he's not getting this service then it's easy for him to look distinctly average. He's a proven goalscorer in League 2 (in a poor Lincoln team) and I think he'd bag us a lot of goals next season in the right formation and service. |  |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:01 - Mar 6 with 1147 views | NotEyreClue |
| Tutte situation? on 22:55 - Mar 6 by TalkingSutty |
You really believe that ?? Analyse the last few games. |
The last few games where he hasn't played? I know we only have this season to base him on but almost every player looked lacklustre and unbothered under Eyre. We won't even talk about the Beech period as that was just a waste of time. Players act and react differently to different managerial styles so to judge a player's ability and attitude off one of the worst periods in our club's history is quite frankly baffling. | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:02 - Mar 6 with 1143 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tutte situation? on 22:58 - Mar 6 by NotEyreClue |
When he's played he's really busted a gut and in terms of work-rate and attitude he looks a completely different player under Coleman. At the end of the day he's a goalscorer and needs service. If he's not getting this service then it's easy for him to look distinctly average. He's a proven goalscorer in League 2 (in a poor Lincoln team) and I think he'd bag us a lot of goals next season in the right formation and service. |
That lad would struggle to bust a bag of crisps. He obviously does have some talent but without a willingness to work his arse off and help his team mates he isnt worth a place in the side. Why is Coleman not picking him ? We are crying out for goals and the manager sees fit not to pick him, doesnt that tell you something ? |  | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:03 - Mar 6 with 1142 views | SalwaDale |
| Tutte situation? on 22:57 - Mar 6 by 442Dale |
He's put in far more effort.
We have to put the past behind us, certain players attitudes three months ago are still being used against them. Coleman wouldn't have anyone in the squad he didn't feel was putting everything towards the cause. That should be enough. |
Yeah but he's not been one of our hardest workers. I don't actually want him to be. I want him drifting around aimlessly into the positions he can do damage in. That is why I want the team based around him. I don't want him chasing back to help out the left back. |  |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:06 - Mar 6 with 1135 views | NotEyreClue |
| Tutte situation? on 23:03 - Mar 6 by SalwaDale |
Yeah but he's not been one of our hardest workers. I don't actually want him to be. I want him drifting around aimlessly into the positions he can do damage in. That is why I want the team based around him. I don't want him chasing back to help out the left back. |
I'm talking about in terms of chasing players down not tracking back. I can't name anyone other than Jones who's been as willing to close people down and chase lost causes. That was absolutely non-existent from Grimes earlier on in the season. Perhaps it's because he feels like he's playing for his place now? Who knows? | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:06 - Mar 6 with 1129 views | Doris |
| Tutte situation? on 22:57 - Mar 6 by 442Dale |
He's put in far more effort.
We have to put the past behind us, certain players attitudes three months ago are still being used against them. Coleman wouldn't have anyone in the squad he didn't feel was putting everything towards the cause. That should be enough. |
your comments are condoning his lazy ,cant be arsed attitude.Its unprofessional to not give 100% EVERY game and he amongst others did this before Coleman.I will never forget this attitude because that is what is taking us down,this crap about doing so well now under the new gaffer is the same as most players do when trying to impress , especially when some of the squad want new contracts.This is a full season not just a few games when you feel like grafting ,up until now its been disgusting to watch most of the time and only now it feels something like watchable.
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| Tutte situation? on 23:09 - Mar 6 with 1120 views | sandylaner1 |
the constant grimes bashing is laughable.
if anything its the first 11 that are to blame for recent performances, grimes has been getting 10/20 minutes here and there to try and make an impact, and had a few decent's efforts tonight by the sounds of it, give him a run of games and judge him.
yes in the past this season his performances have been unacceptable for a professional footballer (like most of the team at some stage) we can only judge him going forward.
grimes is the only natural goalscorer we have at the club and it would be a waste and probably come back to bite us in the arse if we let him go at the end of the season.
jlaa can miss 3 chances and get away with it, grimes had less then half the time on the pitch, has one chance and gets called out for missing a goal scoring opportunity (not meant as a bad word against jlaa as i know what he brings to the team as much as anyone)
grimes has got a lot to learn, he has his flaws but without these his goal scoring ability would have him playing in the championship
we have to stick with him and he will come good and provide goals, especially in league 2 |  | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:09 - Mar 6 with 1120 views | NotEyreClue |
| Tutte situation? on 23:02 - Mar 6 by TalkingSutty |
That lad would struggle to bust a bag of crisps. He obviously does have some talent but without a willingness to work his arse off and help his team mates he isnt worth a place in the side. Why is Coleman not picking him ? We are crying out for goals and the manager sees fit not to pick him, doesnt that tell you something ? |
Grimes has been playing out of position in the system we're playing and so has been ineffective - he can't really play the lone striker role either can he? Put simply he doesn't fit into this system...that's why he isn't getting played. | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:10 - Mar 6 with 1118 views | 442Dale |
| Tutte situation? on 23:06 - Mar 6 by Doris |
your comments are condoning his lazy ,cant be arsed attitude.Its unprofessional to not give 100% EVERY game and he amongst others did this before Coleman.I will never forget this attitude because that is what is taking us down,this crap about doing so well now under the new gaffer is the same as most players do when trying to impress , especially when some of the squad want new contracts.This is a full season not just a few games when you feel like grafting ,up until now its been disgusting to watch most of the time and only now it feels something like watchable.
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I was as critical as everyone else about Grimes when he wasn't putting a shift in. It's possible to be fair and accept his attitude has changed.
As said, he's not the only one who suddenly appeared to be everywhere v Bury. Let's not try and claim otherwise. Plenty of players can look at themselves and say they could have done more. |  |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:12 - Mar 6 with 1116 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tutte situation? on 23:06 - Mar 6 by NotEyreClue |
I'm talking about in terms of chasing players down not tracking back. I can't name anyone other than Jones who's been as willing to close people down and chase lost causes. That was absolutely non-existent from Grimes earlier on in the season. Perhaps it's because he feels like he's playing for his place now? Who knows? |
Well if that is the case how bad is that ? Eyre coached Grimes at City and he stated he signed for our club because of his links with SE. He chooses not to put the effort in for three quarters of the season and then when the new manager comes in he decides to start graffting and your impressed with that. You think that shows him in a good light ?
Your last post sums his attitude up in a nutshell. | | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:12 - Mar 6 with 1114 views | NotEyreClue |
| Tutte situation? on 23:06 - Mar 6 by Doris |
your comments are condoning his lazy ,cant be arsed attitude.Its unprofessional to not give 100% EVERY game and he amongst others did this before Coleman.I will never forget this attitude because that is what is taking us down,this crap about doing so well now under the new gaffer is the same as most players do when trying to impress , especially when some of the squad want new contracts.This is a full season not just a few games when you feel like grafting ,up until now its been disgusting to watch most of the time and only now it feels something like watchable.
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As you've rightly pointed out, he wasn't the only one under the Eyre era to do this, so why is it Grimes who's getting all the flack for it? 90% of our players weren't good enough in terms of attitude of performance during this period - at least Grimes was actually scoring goals and proving his worth. | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:14 - Mar 6 with 1108 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tutte situation? on 23:10 - Mar 6 by 442Dale |
I was as critical as everyone else about Grimes when he wasn't putting a shift in. It's possible to be fair and accept his attitude has changed.
As said, he's not the only one who suddenly appeared to be everywhere v Bury. Let's not try and claim otherwise. Plenty of players can look at themselves and say they could have done more. |
Nobody has come out of this season with a glowing reference, although i blame the SE era for much of that. | | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:16 - Mar 6 with 1100 views | NotEyreClue |
| Tutte situation? on 23:12 - Mar 6 by TalkingSutty |
Well if that is the case how bad is that ? Eyre coached Grimes at City and he stated he signed for our club because of his links with SE. He chooses not to put the effort in for three quarters of the season and then when the new manager comes in he decides to start graffting and your impressed with that. You think that shows him in a good light ?
Your last post sums his attitude up in a nutshell. |
Eyre was/is absolutely clueless - it doesn't matter whether you've played under him at youth level or if you're his son, the WHOLE team struggled at that point and Grimes is getting all of the blame when most of our players weren't good enough and seemed uninterested. You can say the same about every single player, not enough effort for the first 'three quarters of the season' and now they're busting a gut so why attack Grimes for it? | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:16 - Mar 6 with 1099 views | 442Dale |
| Tutte situation? on 23:14 - Mar 6 by TalkingSutty |
Nobody has come out of this season with a glowing reference, although i blame the SE era for much of that. |
Which is why there's no point singling players out while there's still some hope.
It was obvious from the end of September that Eyre was on borrowed time, he wasn't a manager who could manage the situation. | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:20 - Mar 6 with 1088 views | Doris |
| Tutte situation? on 23:12 - Mar 6 by NotEyreClue |
As you've rightly pointed out, he wasn't the only one under the Eyre era to do this, so why is it Grimes who's getting all the flack for it? 90% of our players weren't good enough in terms of attitude of performance during this period - at least Grimes was actually scoring goals and proving his worth. |
just a guess
trying to fight your team-mate in a pre season friendly ( crewe )
not getting onto 6 balls on the 6 yard line from Adams at the sandy lane in one game and fookin complaining at every one .
Lazy attitude
seen some crap performances for sure this season but non have the attitude as he has .
Played in the wrong position ??? every player has been like that this season so why should grimes be any different to O Grady last season ,he didnt sulk he just got on with it and become a Legend.
It ALL about attitude,give 100% all the time and we will forgive most of the mistakes .
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| Tutte situation? on 23:27 - Mar 6 with 1078 views | NotEyreClue |
| Tutte situation? on 23:20 - Mar 6 by Doris |
just a guess
trying to fight your team-mate in a pre season friendly ( crewe )
not getting onto 6 balls on the 6 yard line from Adams at the sandy lane in one game and fookin complaining at every one .
Lazy attitude
seen some crap performances for sure this season but non have the attitude as he has .
Played in the wrong position ??? every player has been like that this season so why should grimes be any different to O Grady last season ,he didnt sulk he just got on with it and become a Legend.
It ALL about attitude,give 100% all the time and we will forgive most of the mistakes .
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Let me sum up for you:
In the Eyre era everybody looked uninterested not just Grimes
Everyone has been guilty of poor performances, in fact most were under Eyre
He wasn't the only player with an attitude problem
How has every player been played in the wrong position this year?
O'Grady and Grimes are different players under different management and different circumstances so the comparison is irrelevant | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:27 - Mar 6 with 1076 views | pl56 |
| Tutte situation? on 20:17 - Mar 6 by TalkingSutty |
Good point in your last paragraph. I disagree with your comments about Jonah not having a positive inventive forward movement, look at the goal we scored at Charlton a couple of weeks ago !
Sorry , i cant be persuaded when it comes to Tuttes performances but what do i know, i am just a average footy fan. Its great we all have different opinions. |
Totally agree with your last point ! | | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:28 - Mar 6 with 1075 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tutte situation? on 23:20 - Mar 6 by Doris |
just a guess
trying to fight your team-mate in a pre season friendly ( crewe )
not getting onto 6 balls on the 6 yard line from Adams at the sandy lane in one game and fookin complaining at every one .
Lazy attitude
seen some crap performances for sure this season but non have the attitude as he has .
Played in the wrong position ??? every player has been like that this season so why should grimes be any different to O Grady last season ,he didnt sulk he just got on with it and become a Legend.
It ALL about attitude,give 100% all the time and we will forgive most of the mistakes .
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Correct, you forgot to mention his petulance which on several occasions has nearly resulted in a red card. There was one a few games ago that i seem to remember, when he couldnt keep his mouth shut.
All we want is players giving their all for the club, John Bowden wasnt even the most gifted but when he took to the field it was always 100%. That should be a given for any profesional footballer. | | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:28 - Mar 6 with 1073 views | Doris |
| Tutte situation? on 23:27 - Mar 6 by NotEyreClue |
Let me sum up for you:
In the Eyre era everybody looked uninterested not just Grimes
Everyone has been guilty of poor performances, in fact most were under Eyre
He wasn't the only player with an attitude problem
How has every player been played in the wrong position this year?
O'Grady and Grimes are different players under different management and different circumstances so the comparison is irrelevant |
thanks for the summation ,totally missed all the rest of it this season.
i bow to your superior knowledge. | | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:32 - Mar 6 with 1064 views | Doris |
| Tutte situation? on 23:28 - Mar 6 by TalkingSutty |
Correct, you forgot to mention his petulance which on several occasions has nearly resulted in a red card. There was one a few games ago that i seem to remember, when he couldnt keep his mouth shut.
All we want is players giving their all for the club, John Bowden wasnt even the most gifted but when he took to the field it was always 100%. That should be a given for any profesional footballer. |
Bradford away was a prime example kicking out for no apparent reason but some on here seem to miss the point about Attitude.cant be arsed with this | | | |
| Tutte situation? on 23:48 - Mar 6 with 1032 views | NotEyreClue |
| Tutte situation? on 23:28 - Mar 6 by TalkingSutty |
Correct, you forgot to mention his petulance which on several occasions has nearly resulted in a red card. There was one a few games ago that i seem to remember, when he couldnt keep his mouth shut.
All we want is players giving their all for the club, John Bowden wasnt even the most gifted but when he took to the field it was always 100%. That should be a given for any profesional footballer. |
Whilst I don't condone any of his behaviour, it was surely in some part down to the position we found ourselves in and more importantly, the incompetence of the manager. Grimes has worked 100 times harder under Coleman and looks hungry again. I think he would be a success at League 2 level and I'm willing to give him another chance. If it turns out that he becomes our regular starting striker next year then you're going to have to do the same. If he shows any sign of that under Coleman I'm sure it will be dealt with accordingly. | |
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| Tutte situation? on 23:57 - Mar 6 with 1023 views | sweetcorn |
The constant Grimes bashing is laughable, this club has so many scapegoats it's untrue, it's a good job thompson hasn't played this year cause i'm sure he'd be to blame for our poor league position, aswel as global warming and the economic downturn.
I love how everyone points to grimes for our misfortunes, you do know that there were 10 other players who where on the pitch, but yet it's all grimes fault, as for the lack of effort under Eyre, even Gary Jones was guilty of this, i think some of you missed Coleman's interview where he said it was a clean slate and everyone starts afresh, but yet we constantly come back to how it's grimes fault, petulant, lazy, blah blah. If it's good enough for JC then it's deifnatley good enough for me. Re: to why Grime's hasn't been playing, where do you suggest he fits in to the current formation we have? he's not a lone striker and he certainly isn't a winger so he has to wait it out until we play to his strengths. Also Doris, i can't think of a single game where we had 6 balls go across the box in one game and i've been every home game, i'm pretty certain you where alluding to the game where two went right across the face of goal, not six, but surely his strike partner didn't try either (eccleston?).
back to Tutte. the lad obviously has plenty of talent, why are you so against him having a go when the current players we're trying isn't working. |  |
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| Tutte situation? on 00:49 - Mar 7 with 1009 views | Shun |
| Tutte situation? on 21:47 - Mar 6 by 442Dale |
It'll be interesting to hear reports from those attended, but GMR had Tutte involved in all our best efforts and the goal. |
Correct. I'm not Tutte's biggest fan but he was a rare positive tonight. He made 2 runs and shots on target (that I can remember) and also delivered a nice cross for the goal. He's earned a starting place for me. |  | | |
| Tutte situation? on 06:31 - Mar 7 with 979 views | SalwaDale |
| Tutte situation? on 00:49 - Mar 7 by Shun |
Correct. I'm not Tutte's biggest fan but he was a rare positive tonight. He made 2 runs and shots on target (that I can remember) and also delivered a nice cross for the goal. He's earned a starting place for me. |
Coleman has come in and been very consistent with team selection. Perhaps now is the time to change that a little. 3 points in 5 games would suggest that. Hill spent the latter stages of the promotion season preparing for the season after and I think JC may need to do the same. Give our underperforming but talented players (Grimes and Tutte) the opportunity to stake their claim for next season. Give the younger players, (RG, GA, NB) a chance to shine. Come the endd of the season Coleman needs to know everything about his players and know which ones are up for the battle and which ones aren't.
Despite our impending relegation I think the longer term future is in safe hands. | |
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