| Barnet match thread 12:34 - Oct 26 with 17716 views | 100notout |
Interesting challenge today and one which will give a good indication of the level we are at.
Personally, I think we'll edge it and the 15/4 for a Dale win with Bet 365 looks good value. I'll be having a small wager on this. |  |
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| Barnet match thread on 10:24 - Oct 27 with 3582 views | James1980 |
| Barnet match thread on 10:09 - Oct 27 by samueloneils |
Surprised noone has mentioned it but now that Kairo has hit his bad patch, inevitable with any striker, particularly after his spectacular start to the season, why do we have to fall back on a striker coming up to 40 to supplement him. Hendo will always be my hero and was superb yesterday, but there should be alternatives.
All those missed chances. |
Don't let's get started on the injury crisis again. | |
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| Barnet match thread on 12:09 - Oct 27 with 3360 views | dawlishdale |
With a few notable exceptions, it's clear that the vast majority of posters are in agreement that we start games far too cautiously, which often leads to us boring the fans and allowing the opposition to attack us. Yesterday was yet another example of just this. From what I've seen, Berger is an attacking midfielder..bordering on being an attacker. Jim should not be playing him in a defensive position. Its not difficult to work out. I too would be annoyed if I were him especially as he got subbed at half time.
Mitchell had a very poor afternoon, and we can forgive him for that because he was ploughing a lonely furrow until Henderson came on .
I've said it so often; Jim is not yet learning from errors as a coach. This might be his downfall. Its certain that he isn't getting the best from a talented squad. | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 12:14 - Oct 27 with 3336 views | D_Alien |
| Barnet match thread on 12:09 - Oct 27 by dawlishdale |
With a few notable exceptions, it's clear that the vast majority of posters are in agreement that we start games far too cautiously, which often leads to us boring the fans and allowing the opposition to attack us. Yesterday was yet another example of just this. From what I've seen, Berger is an attacking midfielder..bordering on being an attacker. Jim should not be playing him in a defensive position. Its not difficult to work out. I too would be annoyed if I were him especially as he got subbed at half time.
Mitchell had a very poor afternoon, and we can forgive him for that because he was ploughing a lonely furrow until Henderson came on .
I've said it so often; Jim is not yet learning from errors as a coach. This might be his downfall. Its certain that he isn't getting the best from a talented squad. |
Pretty well summed-up
My concern is that what we're seeing is all he's got in terms of coaching. It's a "playbook" that he's been given the opportunity to implement: there's nothing beyond that - no learning, nothing intrinsic to himself
It only works if the opposition play without any guile [Post edited 27 Oct 12:18]
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| Barnet match thread on 12:23 - Oct 27 with 3286 views | 442Dale |
| Barnet match thread on 12:09 - Oct 27 by dawlishdale |
With a few notable exceptions, it's clear that the vast majority of posters are in agreement that we start games far too cautiously, which often leads to us boring the fans and allowing the opposition to attack us. Yesterday was yet another example of just this. From what I've seen, Berger is an attacking midfielder..bordering on being an attacker. Jim should not be playing him in a defensive position. Its not difficult to work out. I too would be annoyed if I were him especially as he got subbed at half time.
Mitchell had a very poor afternoon, and we can forgive him for that because he was ploughing a lonely furrow until Henderson came on .
I've said it so often; Jim is not yet learning from errors as a coach. This might be his downfall. Its certain that he isn't getting the best from a talented squad. |
I don’t think that there are any exceptions, on here anyway. We are only effective when we play forward with pace and look to defend our own box as a priority.
Berger definitely shouldn’t be the one receiving the ball from keeper/defenders but he has done well at times in midfield - often due to lack of other options. He shouldn’t start ahead of Henry though. |  |
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| Barnet match thread on 13:46 - Oct 27 with 3102 views | 49thseason |
| Barnet match thread on 12:23 - Oct 27 by 442Dale |
I don’t think that there are any exceptions, on here anyway. We are only effective when we play forward with pace and look to defend our own box as a priority.
Berger definitely shouldn’t be the one receiving the ball from keeper/defenders but he has done well at times in midfield - often due to lack of other options. He shouldn’t start ahead of Henry though. |
The problem with a " system" is that it can be a straightjacket. I dont understand why we were playing out from the back in the first 20 minutes playing away at the top of the league who are unbeaten at home.
Surely the early exchanges should have been to stop them scoring, then frustrate them and finally catch them on the break and enjoy the trip home!
With the ability to bring on umpteen substitutes, it becomes a 16 man per side game. Your forwards can run themselves silly for and hour, score a couple of goals and then bring on 5 more defenders to replace them and a couple of midfielders., the options are many and varied.
But no.. JMC has fixed ideas... no subs before 70 minutes.. play out from the back from minute 1. Play a striker with no obvious partner, pretend your goalkeeper is as good with the ball as your outfield players...
The rules, as set out by succesful managers, are simple...Dont get beaten.. treat each game on its merits, plan to win at home and away but know when to accept a draw. Use the whole squad to its maximum potential and skill, put square pegs in square holes. Train for a series of specific in-game situations so that everyone is on the same page, use substitutions tactically to break up periods of pressure if you are under the cosh with 20 minutes to play and 1-0 up. In the last resort, there is nothing wrong with punting the ball into row Z (the Peter Valentine option) and buying time to reorganise. |  | | |
| Barnet match thread on 13:50 - Oct 27 with 3083 views | TalkingSutty |
| Barnet match thread on 09:56 - Oct 27 by NorthernDale |
I have just watched the highlights and their first goal was shocking to say the least, Burger got caught facing the goal, instead of looking to go forward, after receiving the ball from Robson, leaving the Barnet player with an open goal. Even the Barnet commentators seemed shocked by the Dale's defending and asked what were they doing. To be fair, their second was a good goal and again the Dales goal came about from a back pass, which lacked any pace and Hendo sneaked in to score. Senior was unlucky to hit the post from an angled shot.
However the first goal reminded me of the goals conceded away at Eastleigh when 2 of the goals were down to messing around at the back. When will learn from the stupid errors? Hopefully we can get most of the injured back for the Oldham game, but Ferguson was missing yesterday with a knock, he may be back this week and there is a chance somebody else could be back next week. |
We conceded the exact same goal against Solihull a few weeks ago also at home and it cost us the game. Gilmour was the player who had to deal with the short pass from the goalkeeper on that occasion. |  | | |
| Barnet match thread on 13:54 - Oct 27 with 3067 views | TalkingSutty |
| Barnet match thread on 10:09 - Oct 27 by samueloneils |
Surprised noone has mentioned it but now that Kairo has hit his bad patch, inevitable with any striker, particularly after his spectacular start to the season, why do we have to fall back on a striker coming up to 40 to supplement him. Hendo will always be my hero and was superb yesterday, but there should be alternatives.
All those missed chances. |
Rodney's injured and we should have signed another forward in the summer bearing in mind we can't keep Rodney on the pitch. Oldham have just returned a forward to Stockport last week, they'll be looking to loan him out again. He didn't get game time at Oldham because they keep getting results and Fondop is scoring. They also sent Alex Reid to Wealdstone a few weeks ago and he can't stop scoring. [Post edited 27 Oct 13:58]
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| Barnet match thread on 13:57 - Oct 27 with 3063 views | 442Dale |
| Barnet match thread on 13:46 - Oct 27 by 49thseason |
The problem with a " system" is that it can be a straightjacket. I dont understand why we were playing out from the back in the first 20 minutes playing away at the top of the league who are unbeaten at home.
Surely the early exchanges should have been to stop them scoring, then frustrate them and finally catch them on the break and enjoy the trip home!
With the ability to bring on umpteen substitutes, it becomes a 16 man per side game. Your forwards can run themselves silly for and hour, score a couple of goals and then bring on 5 more defenders to replace them and a couple of midfielders., the options are many and varied.
But no.. JMC has fixed ideas... no subs before 70 minutes.. play out from the back from minute 1. Play a striker with no obvious partner, pretend your goalkeeper is as good with the ball as your outfield players...
The rules, as set out by succesful managers, are simple...Dont get beaten.. treat each game on its merits, plan to win at home and away but know when to accept a draw. Use the whole squad to its maximum potential and skill, put square pegs in square holes. Train for a series of specific in-game situations so that everyone is on the same page, use substitutions tactically to break up periods of pressure if you are under the cosh with 20 minutes to play and 1-0 up. In the last resort, there is nothing wrong with punting the ball into row Z (the Peter Valentine option) and buying time to reorganise. |
Amongst all the stuff we’ve all discussed to death and agree on, I almost stopped at bringing 5 defenders on. Spectacular.
Facts alone are that we are 6th in the table. Have won half our games and are on track for a play-off place. The rest is a valid discussion around how we are achieving that.
Actually, proof that I did carry on reading “put square pegs in square holes” - normally we’d all be advocates of that. But how many of us were complaining when McNulty switched Buyabu to the right the other night and nullified their most effective player down that side. This whole subject is about being fair with criticism and praise rather than ignoring facts and evidence because it might show we aren’t totally right. | |
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| Barnet match thread on 14:09 - Oct 27 with 3017 views | TVOS1907 |
| Barnet match thread on 13:46 - Oct 27 by 49thseason |
The problem with a " system" is that it can be a straightjacket. I dont understand why we were playing out from the back in the first 20 minutes playing away at the top of the league who are unbeaten at home.
Surely the early exchanges should have been to stop them scoring, then frustrate them and finally catch them on the break and enjoy the trip home!
With the ability to bring on umpteen substitutes, it becomes a 16 man per side game. Your forwards can run themselves silly for and hour, score a couple of goals and then bring on 5 more defenders to replace them and a couple of midfielders., the options are many and varied.
But no.. JMC has fixed ideas... no subs before 70 minutes.. play out from the back from minute 1. Play a striker with no obvious partner, pretend your goalkeeper is as good with the ball as your outfield players...
The rules, as set out by succesful managers, are simple...Dont get beaten.. treat each game on its merits, plan to win at home and away but know when to accept a draw. Use the whole squad to its maximum potential and skill, put square pegs in square holes. Train for a series of specific in-game situations so that everyone is on the same page, use substitutions tactically to break up periods of pressure if you are under the cosh with 20 minutes to play and 1-0 up. In the last resort, there is nothing wrong with punting the ball into row Z (the Peter Valentine option) and buying time to reorganise. |
After yesterday, we have introduced 72 substitutes this season, of which 25 have been before the 70th minute. |  |
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| Barnet match thread on 14:19 - Oct 27 with 2976 views | 442Dale |
| Barnet match thread on 13:54 - Oct 27 by TalkingSutty |
Rodney's injured and we should have signed another forward in the summer bearing in mind we can't keep Rodney on the pitch. Oldham have just returned a forward to Stockport last week, they'll be looking to loan him out again. He didn't get game time at Oldham because they keep getting results and Fondop is scoring. They also sent Alex Reid to Wealdstone a few weeks ago and he can't stop scoring. [Post edited 27 Oct 13:58]
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Strange signing that Stretton, he hardly got any minutes even when Norwood was out. While I think we do need another striker, we should look to offload some wide players first. Getting TAR back will make a difference as with him and Buyabu wide, Allarakhia can be moved into a forward role. Yesterday shows he can get in the right positions, and we’ve seen him finish well before. | |
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| Barnet match thread on 15:17 - Oct 27 with 2859 views | TalkingSutty |
| Barnet match thread on 14:19 - Oct 27 by 442Dale |
Strange signing that Stretton, he hardly got any minutes even when Norwood was out. While I think we do need another striker, we should look to offload some wide players first. Getting TAR back will make a difference as with him and Buyabu wide, Allarakhia can be moved into a forward role. Yesterday shows he can get in the right positions, and we’ve seen him finish well before. |
Agree about Allarakhia in a forward roll, he was very unlucky not to score yesterday. I also thought Buyabu did well on the ball, beat his man and put a few crosses in. There's no doubt we've missed TAR big time and also Gilmour. I expected Henry to start yesterday but it didn't materialise. | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 19:02 - Oct 27 with 2501 views | 49thseason |
| Barnet match thread on 16:46 - Oct 27 by Rodingdale |
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| Barnet match thread on 19:25 - Oct 27 with 2428 views | 442Dale |
| Barnet match thread on 19:02 - Oct 27 by 49thseason |
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As TVOS posted, over a third of our subs this season have come before 70 minutes.
It’s never an exact science of course, your own recommendation to “ use substitutions tactically to break up periods of pressure if you are under the cosh with 20 minutes to play and 1-0 up” was one we employed on Tuesday night.
Halifax equalised within two minutes. | |
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| Barnet match thread on 19:50 - Oct 27 with 2379 views | TVOS1907 |
| Barnet match thread on 19:25 - Oct 27 by 442Dale |
As TVOS posted, over a third of our subs this season have come before 70 minutes.
It’s never an exact science of course, your own recommendation to “ use substitutions tactically to break up periods of pressure if you are under the cosh with 20 minutes to play and 1-0 up” was one we employed on Tuesday night.
Halifax equalised within two minutes. |
Yeah, but I posted a fact. | |
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| Barnet match thread on 20:09 - Oct 27 with 2328 views | EllDale |
Another factor may be that the stats don’t differentiate between substitutions forced by injury and those made for tactical reasons. | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 07:38 - Oct 28 with 1975 views | Dale_4_Life |
Was gutted on Saturday at 3.07pm hearing we had conceded such an early goal.
I just thought Barnet had flown out of the traps and created something special early on.
On Sunday I watched the highlights and it beggars belief.
Big Jim is sitting with Simon today petitioning we change the team name to Punxsutawney Rovers.
From a supporters perspective its quite difficult to accept repeatedly gift wrapping goals. | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 09:10 - Oct 28 with 1892 views | pioneer |
What I cannot fathom is how we had such an impressive defensive record over the first 6 games…the envy of the league…two goals conceded. Not sure when was the last time we started a season so succesfully from a defensive perspective.
Where we playing the slow tippy tappy stuff at the back and it took other teams 7 games to work us out. Or have we significantly changed our style adopting what we might call McNultyball around this time, or have the personnel changed due to injuries with the blokes coming in not able to carry out McNultyball as effectively ( or maybe a combination of these)
Afraid I cant be ars** to go back through highlights of every game but anyone know how many goals have been conceded from turnovers in our own defensive third of the field? | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 09:40 - Oct 28 with 1817 views | 442Dale |
| Barnet match thread on 09:10 - Oct 28 by pioneer |
What I cannot fathom is how we had such an impressive defensive record over the first 6 games…the envy of the league…two goals conceded. Not sure when was the last time we started a season so succesfully from a defensive perspective.
Where we playing the slow tippy tappy stuff at the back and it took other teams 7 games to work us out. Or have we significantly changed our style adopting what we might call McNultyball around this time, or have the personnel changed due to injuries with the blokes coming in not able to carry out McNultyball as effectively ( or maybe a combination of these)
Afraid I cant be ars** to go back through highlights of every game but anyone know how many goals have been conceded from turnovers in our own defensive third of the field? |
One thing we were much better at earlier on in the season was stopping the ball coming into the box from wide. The last three games have seen goals conceded starting from that area.
A lot of that may be due to changes in personnel in those positions due to injury. | |
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| Barnet match thread on 13:48 - Oct 28 with 1532 views | frenzied |
It’s early days still but I can’t see us winning this league
I just hope that Jim has a leap of faith and allows the team to be more proactive
It may be the difference between ending up mid table and a chance at a play off spot come next May..we have the players to deliver it but I feel they are being shackled in some ways | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 15:30 - Oct 28 with 1420 views | Dale_4_Life |
We definitely have the players if we can keep the majority fit.
Lots of twists and turns to come in the final 2/3rds of the season.
Probably hover around 7/8/9/10th place. Hoping we can make a decent final push at the business end of the season, make the playoffs and take our chance.
We are simply too inconsistent and too benevolent to actually win the league. We are nice.. a nice team.. play nice football.. Nice not ruthless. | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 18:16 - Oct 28 with 1215 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Barnet match thread on 08:48 - Oct 27 by D_Alien |
Just on that point about player morale: he's put Burger into a position of having to receive the ball under ridiculous pressure and before the game had settled down, destroyed his confidence. He got pulled at half time. Players make the "right noises" when interviewed (what else are they going to do?) but if i was Burger i'd be beyond pissed off
I'm sure the players don't walk out onto the pitch with the intention of not taking the game to opponents. When you first start kicking a ball as a kid, you don't practise playing it safe and sideways, you want to "have a go". Talk of the team being "resilient" and "together" like after the Halifax match looks more and more like the players just celebrating having the shackles taken off and being allowed to show what they can do. Shackles imposed by their coach. And then they're accused of not following instructions, ffs!
I'm sure the players also think about the effect on fans, especially at long-distance games. If we were losing because we're crap, Dale fans have an acceptance of that - we're used to it, at least the older ones are, and can have a laugh about it. What we're witnessing now is football with no fun, no joy, no spirit from the kick off, then leaving it too late. The tone has been set, McNulty won't, or more likely can't change. Never has a playoff place been witnessed with such lack of enthusiasm, and it comes from the top |
Great post about the poor man management of young Burger, a player who has done really really well for us, especially playing slightly out of position but adding some tenacity to our short handed midfield. " beyond pissed off" sums it up. His confidence surely took a dive. And all this just to keep McNulty's stupid stubborn format going. I hope Burger is a tough cookie. | | | |
| Barnet match thread on 18:27 - Oct 28 with 1202 views | TVOS1907 |
| Barnet match thread on 18:16 - Oct 28 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Great post about the poor man management of young Burger, a player who has done really really well for us, especially playing slightly out of position but adding some tenacity to our short handed midfield. " beyond pissed off" sums it up. His confidence surely took a dive. And all this just to keep McNulty's stupid stubborn format going. I hope Burger is a tough cookie. |
Can you point us in the direction of where it has been reported that Burger was “pissed off” and that his confidence took a dive?
I think someone said they would feel like that if they were he, but that’s a completely different matter.
None of us know why he was subbed off, how he felt about it and how McNulty managed the situation. Given how the team have performed this season and how excellent their spirit is, I can only guess he was able to see the bigger picture.
And having been at the game, I said at half time that we needed to make a change or two and that Barlow and/or Burger were the obvious candidates to be taken off if we were going to bring on Henderson and/or Henry. | |
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| Barnet match thread on 18:36 - Oct 28 with 1174 views | TalkingSutty |
| Barnet match thread on 18:16 - Oct 28 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Great post about the poor man management of young Burger, a player who has done really really well for us, especially playing slightly out of position but adding some tenacity to our short handed midfield. " beyond pissed off" sums it up. His confidence surely took a dive. And all this just to keep McNulty's stupid stubborn format going. I hope Burger is a tough cookie. |
He's not being played slightly out of position, he's out of his depth in midfield. He can't tackle and he's even less effective as a deep lying midfield player. He was set up to fail with the pass from the keeper for the first goal against Barnet, he's used to playing in the opposite direction behind the forwards. He deserves credit for doing a job to cover for injuries in the midfield, he did well against Halifax and took quite a bit of physical stick due to his stature. He should be praised for his efforts over the last few weeks and his substitution at half time shouldn't be viewed as a reflection on what he brings to the team. I was surprised Henry didn't start in midfield at Barnet, not sure why not. [Post edited 28 Oct 18:37]
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