| Corona Virus 22:39 - Mar 7 with 514326 views | SgorioFruit |
Sorry for new thread,
But how bad do you lot reckon it’s going to get here in the UK?
I just been watching the news. Looking nasty in Italy. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 11:13 - May 16 with 1605 views | dickythorpe |
There's serious consequences for the selfish cúnts still traveling down here from England when they know full well to stay in their country. |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 11:18 - May 16 with 1580 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 11:13 - May 16 by dickythorpe |
There's serious consequences for the selfish cúnts still traveling down here from England when they know full well to stay in their country. |
People traveling from Cardiff or RCT obviously have no effect. Only those from England.
Moron. |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 11:30 - May 16 with 1553 views | dickythorpe |
| Corona Virus on 11:18 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
People traveling from Cardiff or RCT obviously have no effect. Only those from England.
Moron. |
Clown | | | |
| Corona Virus on 11:34 - May 16 with 1547 views | controversial_jack |
| Corona Virus on 11:10 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s an almost impossible balance.
One of the difficulties, as I understand it, has been staff moving between a number of homes, so an infection in one has led to a spread to many. Repeated, comprehensive testing from the start is the only thing that could have prevented it, and, as we all know, testing in the early days was an absolute scandal.
If, at the end of this, it’s found that hospitals did release people back to care homes without testing, knowing they were possibly, or definitely infected, there will have to be serious consequences. |
Those who have had the virus in hospital for a certain period of time, will no longer have the virus although may still be quite ill with the symptoms and doctors deem them fit to go back to their care homes. The test is useless , as it very often shows positive for weeks after , or so i'm told.
It's also about bed blocking too. As soon as patients are healthy it's better for everyone to get them out of the hospital environment asap.They can be very demanding for staff too, as they have to don their PPE every time they need some personal care.
It's an awful situation and i don't know what the answer is. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 11:48 - May 16 with 1525 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 11:34 - May 16 by controversial_jack |
Those who have had the virus in hospital for a certain period of time, will no longer have the virus although may still be quite ill with the symptoms and doctors deem them fit to go back to their care homes. The test is useless , as it very often shows positive for weeks after , or so i'm told.
It's also about bed blocking too. As soon as patients are healthy it's better for everyone to get them out of the hospital environment asap.They can be very demanding for staff too, as they have to don their PPE every time they need some personal care.
It's an awful situation and i don't know what the answer is. |
Yes, I understand that. Which is why careful analysis and sober reflection will be needed after this has passed so we all avoid knee jerk reactions. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 12:29 - May 16 with 1481 views | Catullus |
| Corona Virus on 11:18 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
People traveling from Cardiff or RCT obviously have no effect. Only those from England.
Moron. |
Harsh that, I agree with Dicky but you are right, travelling from Cardiff or RCT is stupid too.. | |
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| Corona Virus on 13:36 - May 16 with 1401 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 11:12 - May 16 by Professor |
Bad and good news from the US. Most convalescent patients have antibodies that act tot neutralise the virus (bind and stop infection of cells). Those with mild symptoms sometimes did not. This part is bad news as exposure may not mean immune. Good news is that far more straightforward to make vaccines that produce these responses than cellular responses. Vaccine may produce more of these too as use of adjuvants in a vaccine drive this type
Of response well. An adjuvant is a compound that tricks the immune system into responding as sometimes a vaccine alone does not-
From the Latin ‘adjuvare’. -to help
Study was fairly small (68 patients) but detailed with clear results |
“ Researchers at Mount Sinai tested people who signed up to be donors of convalescent plasma, antibodies extracted from blood. The project has enrolled more than 15,000 people so far, according to Dr. Ania Wajnberg, who is leading the effort.
The new study is an analysis of results of the first set of donors. Over all, only 3 percent of these participants had been seen in the emergency department or had been hospitalized. The remaining subjects had only mild or moderate symptoms.
“To my knowledge, this is the largest group of people described with mild disease,” Dr. Wajnberg said.
The criteria for inclusion became more stringent as the team learned more about the coronavirus. For example, they initially required the potential donors to be free of symptoms for only three days but later extended that to 14 days.
The team tested 624 people who had tested positive for the virus and had recovered. At first, just 511 of them had high antibody levels; 42 had low levels; and 71 had none. When 64 of the subjects with weak or no levels were retested more than a week later, however, all but three had at least some antibodies.
That suggests the timing of testing for antibodies can greatly affect the results, the researchers said. “We weren’t looking exactly at this, but we had enough to say that 14 days is probably a little too early,” Dr. Wajnberg said.” | | | |
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| Corona Virus on 15:40 - May 16 with 1309 views | Professor |
| Corona Virus on 13:36 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
“ Researchers at Mount Sinai tested people who signed up to be donors of convalescent plasma, antibodies extracted from blood. The project has enrolled more than 15,000 people so far, according to Dr. Ania Wajnberg, who is leading the effort.
The new study is an analysis of results of the first set of donors. Over all, only 3 percent of these participants had been seen in the emergency department or had been hospitalized. The remaining subjects had only mild or moderate symptoms.
“To my knowledge, this is the largest group of people described with mild disease,” Dr. Wajnberg said.
The criteria for inclusion became more stringent as the team learned more about the coronavirus. For example, they initially required the potential donors to be free of symptoms for only three days but later extended that to 14 days.
The team tested 624 people who had tested positive for the virus and had recovered. At first, just 511 of them had high antibody levels; 42 had low levels; and 71 had none. When 64 of the subjects with weak or no levels were retested more than a week later, however, all but three had at least some antibodies.
That suggests the timing of testing for antibodies can greatly affect the results, the researchers said. “We weren’t looking exactly at this, but we had enough to say that 14 days is probably a little too early,” Dr. Wajnberg said.” |
Thanks- the study I read was from Rockefeller and looking specifically at viral neutralisation as well. All had antibody responses -some were just not the correct type for neutralisation | | | |
| Corona Virus on 15:44 - May 16 with 1307 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Corona Virus on 11:12 - May 16 by Professor |
Bad and good news from the US. Most convalescent patients have antibodies that act tot neutralise the virus (bind and stop infection of cells). Those with mild symptoms sometimes did not. This part is bad news as exposure may not mean immune. Good news is that far more straightforward to make vaccines that produce these responses than cellular responses. Vaccine may produce more of these too as use of adjuvants in a vaccine drive this type
Of response well. An adjuvant is a compound that tricks the immune system into responding as sometimes a vaccine alone does not-
From the Latin ‘adjuvare’. -to help
Study was fairly small (68 patients) but detailed with clear results |
What would you think of a study of 932 patients, with 411 given an added drug and 521 not given the added drug with the following results.
With drug 9.2% needed ICU without drug 15.7% needed ICU
With drug 8% needed Invasive Ventilation without drug 16.5% needed Invasive Ventilation
Of those not already in ICU.
With drug 6.9% Expired/Hospice without drug 13.2% Expired/Hospice
Would you say that was enough of an improvement to recommend using the added drug. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 15:51 - May 16 with 1302 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Corona Virus on 09:28 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
I’m not saying the Swedish approach was correct. It may have been for most of their population but they didn’t protect their elderly properly as far as I can see. Although obviously many European countries had a problem with care homes whatever they did.
The Swedish approach certainly wouldn’t have worked here as our population aren’t self regulating and our population is also differently spread.
They’ve a large country with few inhabitants (relatively). The same approach here would have been carnage. |
Although the Swedish approach looked suitable for the Swedish population and their lifestyle it was not.
They have far higher Deaths/Million Population than those countries around them.
In fact they are 9th worst in the world, which is very poor for a population of 10 million.
I calculated that most of those countries around them would need anothe 300 waves to reach where Sweden are today.
The one thing few seem to consider is that those that handled the first wave the best will continue to do so, because they made the right choices.
Which is what makes a complete nonsense of those saying that all countries will end up with the same death rates.
It is patently obvious that it is not true. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 16:12 - May 16 with 1284 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 15:51 - May 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
Although the Swedish approach looked suitable for the Swedish population and their lifestyle it was not.
They have far higher Deaths/Million Population than those countries around them.
In fact they are 9th worst in the world, which is very poor for a population of 10 million.
I calculated that most of those countries around them would need anothe 300 waves to reach where Sweden are today.
The one thing few seem to consider is that those that handled the first wave the best will continue to do so, because they made the right choices.
Which is what makes a complete nonsense of those saying that all countries will end up with the same death rates.
It is patently obvious that it is not true. |
“ Which is what makes a complete nonsense of those saying that all countries will end up with the same death rates. ”
You continue to misrepresent what I said. I said the death rate as a percentage of those who have caught the disease should be the same or similar. (It was in the context of using the numbers of deaths to calculate the numbers in the population that will have had the disease - a calculation all scientists are using). That’s not the same as saying the number of people who will die as a percentage of the total population as that will depend on the infection rate.
You used the calculation yourself - deaths / infected people. Lockdown affects the number of those infected, not the outcomes of those infected unless there are situations such as hospitals with no capacity, which hasn’t happened here.
The rate will have to be calculated by age group, ethnicity etc of course.
Try to keep up. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 16:14 - May 16 with 1282 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 15:40 - May 16 by Professor |
Thanks- the study I read was from Rockefeller and looking specifically at viral neutralisation as well. All had antibody responses -some were just not the correct type for neutralisation |
The one I quoted was a piece from the NYT. It’s the most recent apparently, which is why I thought you’d find it of interest. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 16:18 - May 16 with 1274 views | exiledclaseboy |
Gavin Williamson doing today’s daily blandfest conference. Even his mother isn’t sure who he is as his profile has been so low since he got sacked from his last job for briefing classified defence information to the press. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 16:20 - May 16 with 1269 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 16:18 - May 16 by exiledclaseboy |
Gavin Williamson doing today’s daily blandfest conference. Even his mother isn’t sure who he is as his profile has been so low since he got sacked from his last job for briefing classified defence information to the press. |
Did you ever see that documentary about the US Embassy when he was at Defence?
His crawling to ‘Woody’ Johnson was enough to make you vomit. [Post edited 16 May 2020 16:22]
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| Corona Virus on 16:22 - May 16 with 1263 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Corona Virus on 16:20 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
Did you ever see that documentary about the US Embassy when he was at Defence?
His crawling to ‘Woody’ Johnson was enough to make you vomit. [Post edited 16 May 2020 16:22]
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No,but if you looked up “lickspittle” in the dictionary I’m pretty sure you’d find a picture of Williamson. | |
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| Corona Virus on 16:24 - May 16 with 1255 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 16:22 - May 16 by exiledclaseboy |
No,but if you looked up “lickspittle” in the dictionary I’m pretty sure you’d find a picture of Williamson. |
He’s got milk monitor written all over him. Front of the class, offering to help hand out tests. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 16:30 - May 16 with 1246 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Corona Virus on 16:12 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
“ Which is what makes a complete nonsense of those saying that all countries will end up with the same death rates. ”
You continue to misrepresent what I said. I said the death rate as a percentage of those who have caught the disease should be the same or similar. (It was in the context of using the numbers of deaths to calculate the numbers in the population that will have had the disease - a calculation all scientists are using). That’s not the same as saying the number of people who will die as a percentage of the total population as that will depend on the infection rate.
You used the calculation yourself - deaths / infected people. Lockdown affects the number of those infected, not the outcomes of those infected unless there are situations such as hospitals with no capacity, which hasn’t happened here.
The rate will have to be calculated by age group, ethnicity etc of course.
Try to keep up. |
I did not mention you, but as you have brought it up, the deaths/cases is in exactly the same situation.
Those that know how to protect their people will continue to do so.
You yourself only recently said how well South Korea are doing and you are right as their deaths/cases is currently 0.0237 and they are not even close to being the best.
As I said the UK's would improve with more testing finding more asymptomatic cases, we have now got it down to 0.1436, I believe that when I posted before it was around 0.156.
If you think it will ever get anywhere near the best performing countries you are completely deluded.
We have now carried out tests 2,353,078, I can't remember what the quantity was when I posted before.
The Government has mis-handled this epidemic at every stage.
ps Czechia with their mild lockdown and masks 28 deaths/Million and 0.0351 deaths/cases. [Post edited 16 May 2020 17:08]
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| Corona Virus on 16:30 - May 16 with 1245 views | londonlisa2001 |
Less than a hundred turned up in Hyde Park by all accounts. That moron Piers Corbyn and a few idiots were arrested. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 16:33 - May 16 with 1239 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Corona Virus on 16:30 - May 16 by londonlisa2001 |
Less than a hundred turned up in Hyde Park by all accounts. That moron Piers Corbyn and a few idiots were arrested. |
About 40 according to that report. Imagine Piers Corbyn being a 5G conspiracist. Who’d have thought it. | |
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| Corona Virus on 16:33 - May 16 with 1239 views | Neath_Jack |
Strange bunch.
As an aside, and going on from Jim's atrocious beard advice, is having a beard now part of the police selection process? Looking at those photo's it seems having a crumb catcher is all the rage with them. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 16:35 - May 16 with 1235 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Corona Virus on 16:33 - May 16 by Neath_Jack |
Strange bunch.
As an aside, and going on from Jim's atrocious beard advice, is having a beard now part of the police selection process? Looking at those photo's it seems having a crumb catcher is all the rage with them. |
My nephew just joined the police, he has one. Apparently they either have to have a full beard or be completely clean shaven. Stubble not allowed. That’s why George Michael never became a copper. | |
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| Corona Virus on 16:36 - May 16 with 1231 views | Professor |
| Corona Virus on 15:44 - May 16 by A_Fans_Dad |
What would you think of a study of 932 patients, with 411 given an added drug and 521 not given the added drug with the following results.
With drug 9.2% needed ICU without drug 15.7% needed ICU
With drug 8% needed Invasive Ventilation without drug 16.5% needed Invasive Ventilation
Of those not already in ICU.
With drug 6.9% Expired/Hospice without drug 13.2% Expired/Hospice
Would you say that was enough of an improvement to recommend using the added drug. |
It's a modest improvement, but would suggest some effect-however, you would need to see the study design fully-if it is randomised then great-not then it could be manipulated. This was the issue with Raoult's work to an extent | | | |
| Corona Virus on 16:36 - May 16 with 1231 views | Neath_Jack |
Back to this briefing...
Jenny Harries, she was one of tidy ones when this all started, she's gone right off the boil the last couple of weeks. I can't help thinking that she no longer believes half the stuff she says (or is told to say) anymore.
And Williamson, I can't help but be reminded of Frank Spencer when i see / hear him, just me or can anyone else see it? | |
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