| global warming kicking in on 18:03 - Dec 18 with 1078 views | R_from_afar |
| global warming kicking in on 16:16 - Dec 18 by MrSheen |
I did. He didn't.
In his "Agricola", he mentions British agriculture, and specifically says that it was suitable for most things, except vines, olives and other southern fruits. There were grain tributes, but he doesn't say they were sent to Rome directly. They may have been parcelled out to armies in Britain and across the channel. in his "Annales", he describes how Vespasian took control of Egypt to cut off the grain supply to Rome and help unseat Emperor Vitellius.
More on Roman grain imports.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome%27s_grain_supply
Britain doesn't get a mention, because Rome didn't have ocean-going fleets that could have supplied it regularly. Not that there wasn't inter-regional trade with Rome's northern possessions, or the neighbours, just that Rome itself didn't/couldn't rely on supply from Britain.
I didn't say anything to dispute the warm period! |
I have to nominate that post as the most surreal I have ever seen on here. We are vigorously debating Tacitus and climate change on a QPR forum. Superb! 
Good thing a football match is coming up, to get us back on track...
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| global warming kicking in on 18:07 - Dec 18 with 1076 views | GloryHunter |
| global warming kicking in on 13:57 - Dec 18 by R_from_afar |
As a linguist and someone with a Latin O level, I have to respect that, nice quote!
However, who is doing the deceiving? Is it those who are sticking to their dogma in spite of the weight of scientific evidence, evidence which clearly attributes GW and CC to mankind? That IPCC report was worked on by over 1000 highly qualified contributors from myriad organisations based all over the world and was peer reviewed to death, arguably more than any other piece of research in history.
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It is not true that the IPCC is composed of a thousand or more highly qualified and independent scientists. Only a minority of IPCC contributors are actually qualified climate scientists (and the thousands of other qualified climate scientists, who do not believe in a warmist armageddon, are not allowed to play). Some IPCC contributors are lobbying groups, representing FoE, Greenpeace, WWF, and even the insulation industry. Hence the mumbo-jumbo scare about Alpine glaciers disappearing by 2035 in one IPCC report, which turned out to come from a WWF lobbying document - peer review my ar$e. [Post edited 18 Dec 2013 18:18]
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| global warming kicking in on 18:16 - Dec 18 with 1075 views | R_from_afar |
| global warming kicking in on 14:32 - Dec 18 by elnombre |
Hmm, I wonder if any of the 'science' quoted here was executed by this 'gentleman':
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524730/John-C-Beale-climate-change-expe
Seems like a nice trustworthy chap?
I love the quote from the EPA Inspector General, excusing the fact they missed some fairly blatant crookedness,
'There’s a certain culture here at the EPA... they tend to be very trusting and accepting'.
They sound just the sort of healthy skeptics to be peer-reviewing all this unimpeachable climate change reporting, no? |
OK, fair point, he is a rogue but he is a policy advisor not a climate researcher (as far as I know). I have never seen his named linked to any research and I read a lot on this subject (if you hadn't already guessed).
The US has actually done next to nothing about CC/GW.
As for "unimpeachable climate change reporting", I have read the hockey stick graph guy's (Michael Mann) book and he, his collaborators on that graph and the research underpinning it, as well as many of their peers are the living embodiment of the opposite of unimpeachable. They have been thoroughly investigated by Congress and the educational establishments for starters, and exonerated.
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| global warming kicking in on 18:38 - Dec 18 with 1060 views | TheBlob |
| global warming kicking in on 18:16 - Dec 18 by R_from_afar |
OK, fair point, he is a rogue but he is a policy advisor not a climate researcher (as far as I know). I have never seen his named linked to any research and I read a lot on this subject (if you hadn't already guessed).
The US has actually done next to nothing about CC/GW.
As for "unimpeachable climate change reporting", I have read the hockey stick graph guy's (Michael Mann) book and he, his collaborators on that graph and the research underpinning it, as well as many of their peers are the living embodiment of the opposite of unimpeachable. They have been thoroughly investigated by Congress and the educational establishments for starters, and exonerated.
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Doesn't the term "peers" usually translate to "fellow conspirators"?
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| global warming kicking in on 18:51 - Dec 18 with 1056 views | GloryHunter |
| global warming kicking in on 18:38 - Dec 18 by TheBlob |
Doesn't the term "peers" usually translate to "fellow conspirators"?
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Nice one. One of the "peers" is James Hansen, leading climatologist and IPCC senior reviewer. This man told us in 1986 that we would have zero summer Arctic ice by 2015, and that by 2010 Florida and Manhattan would already be under water and global temperatures would have increased by 2 to 3 degrees C. | | | |
| global warming kicking in on 19:04 - Dec 18 with 1069 views | GloryHunter |
Because it's a cult, and the believers have been brainwashed. | | | |
| global warming kicking in on 19:54 - Dec 18 with 1060 views | GetMeRangers |
| global warming kicking in on 19:04 - Dec 18 by GloryHunter |
Because it's a cult, and the believers have been brainwashed. |
It is their careers they are talking about, whether it is from research funding or belonging to some of the extremist lobbying groups like GreenPeace.
How has this all come to fruition?
Climate is changing... always has done always will. Is to illustrate....Check
Man has, to a degree (they cant agree to quite what extent) contributed to increased CO2 levels...Check
It is relatively easy to show good correlation between CO2 levels, sun activity and global temperatures....Check
So they have logically (though some might debate how much so) concluded that man made CO2 has played the major role in changing the climate
So all the politicians and experts gather for great knees up and splash around big words and loads of our money to solve this problem "You may be poorer now, but think of your children's future" (Think of the children.... like the "Hitler did it so it must be wrong" defence). When it hits our pockets and then soothsayers predict the end of the world by 2015, some of us like to question how sensible all of this is or how real.
To be frank... if Tony B'liar believes it, I question it out of principle. |  | | |
| global warming kicking in on 22:20 - Dec 18 with 1037 views | Jigsore |
| global warming kicking in on 17:35 - Dec 18 by TheBlob |
Do rational human beings produce documents on what ISN'T happening? |
Scientists are hardly rational human beings lol. But the answer to your question is, in fact, yes.
Genuinely feel like i've gone back in time here. This is mad. I suppose you're going to tell me the Illuminati are behind it? or perhaps the Lizards. |  |
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| global warming kicking in on 22:40 - Dec 18 with 1021 views | elnombre |
| global warming kicking in on 13:42 - Dec 17 by FDC |
[doffs cap to Rfa for his patience and good humour on this thread] |
indeed - some merciless ragging taken in good spirit - you deserve to carry your bat sir (and chances are you're probably right too, alas...) |  | | |
| global warming kicking in on 02:19 - Dec 19 with 998 views | qprcanadabc |
| global warming kicking in on 19:54 - Dec 18 by GetMeRangers |
It is their careers they are talking about, whether it is from research funding or belonging to some of the extremist lobbying groups like GreenPeace.
How has this all come to fruition?
Climate is changing... always has done always will. Is to illustrate....Check
Man has, to a degree (they cant agree to quite what extent) contributed to increased CO2 levels...Check
It is relatively easy to show good correlation between CO2 levels, sun activity and global temperatures....Check
So they have logically (though some might debate how much so) concluded that man made CO2 has played the major role in changing the climate
So all the politicians and experts gather for great knees up and splash around big words and loads of our money to solve this problem "You may be poorer now, but think of your children's future" (Think of the children.... like the "Hitler did it so it must be wrong" defence). When it hits our pockets and then soothsayers predict the end of the world by 2015, some of us like to question how sensible all of this is or how real.
To be frank... if Tony B'liar believes it, I question it out of principle. |
all good points...also, there is a claim 1000 scientists that support it - check who pays them before you believe...surely there are more than 1000 scientists out there? and a good portion don't agree with it as Al Gore and his money making machine makes a mint (that goes into all schools as part of the indoctrination)...you can find a report that will support anything...for all you climate change supporters: explain why it used to be called global warming and now climate change...funny that eh? ice caps on Mars are melting too, our fault that one - as soon as the data didn't support warming they needed to change the language....in the 70's we were told of a new ice age coming! also you supporters of all this: explain the medieval warming period and also why the activity from the sun is NEVER EVER included? as getmerangers states "think of the children" is the left's way of making logic seem heartless to get their way....for gods sake people, follow the money! follow the money!
side note: China is creating coalmines by the hour as they clearly don't believe it is down to humanity - pollution yes warming/change no
to all you supporters of climate change or global warming of whatever you want to call it, why is there more ice coverage this winter at the North Pole than in the previous ten?
Explain the massive droughts that occurred in the US during the depression?
to all you supporters of climate change or global warming I have some great land in Quebec or Florida to sell you, nice and cheap, send cheques to.......suckers are born every minute - what is the latest God that is the final of all the gods - mohammed isnt it? so the 1000's of other gods were all a warm up for this fellow to show up - and he isnt a god just a supposed prophet (or should or be spelt profit?)
any takers for some of that land, all very nice and at a great price....."think of the children"? only to sympathise that their indoctrination has begun - welcome to the NWO and the latest reason to steal money from hard working people!
anyone what to quote stats, please back up your source and you make yourself look really daft and really left wing - socialism is great until the money runs out, oh it has!
do you believe/trust your government in any country? and everyone will answer 'no' except for this money grabbing scheme - follow the money! Faith in humanity - bunch of bloody lazy sheep who wont make an effort to research! The land I have in Florida is a bit marshie but you can have it cheap - this time next year we'll be millionaires - you know it makes sense! |  | | |
| global warming kicking in on 09:38 - Dec 19 with 982 views | TheBlob |
| global warming kicking in on 22:20 - Dec 18 by Jigsore |
Scientists are hardly rational human beings lol. But the answer to your question is, in fact, yes.
Genuinely feel like i've gone back in time here. This is mad. I suppose you're going to tell me the Illuminati are behind it? or perhaps the Lizards. |
Merry Christmas sucka.
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| global warming kicking in on 10:39 - Dec 19 with 960 views | CiderwithRsie |
"there is a claim 1000 scientists that support it - check who pays them before you believe."
Yeah scientists work for universities, who get some [not all actually] of their money from govt so by definition must be lying - on same principle its a good idea to refuse to believe anything else that comes out of universities like, I don't know, just about everything we know about the world. Knowledge is a government plot after all, good old stupidity got us where we are today. Let's I dunno, turn off the internet while we're at it, after all that's created by universities for the benefit of the government.
It is an obvious truth that global warming is made up by government funded scientists because what every government in the world really wants to do is to have to spend gazillions re-structuring the whole economy and energy. There's absolutely no other way you could get money for a science budget is there - I mean no-one would dream of paying scientists to research more ways to burn fossil fuels - there simply isn't anyone with the money or vested interest to pay for that, is there?
And its such an obvious vote-winner and such fun to redesign a whole economic model. This is why George Osborne and David Cameron are constantly trying to ramp up green initiatives, aren't they? They never ever would decide to dig up 60% of the country in order to provide, oooh, 25% of our energy needs for a few years. They wouldn't refer to "green crap" would they, it would undermine their plot? They wouldn't make a climate-change sceptic Environment Secretary, would they?
All I ever hear is politicians banging on about global warming and what they are going to do about it, and scientists saying they really aren't that interested but have to research it because the government is making them. I never ever hear scientists complaining that government doesn't take a blind bit of notice of the research findings. | | | |
| global warming kicking in on 11:53 - Dec 19 with 934 views | zicoshoops |
Regardless of human, or any other intervention.
Our Planet is in an Ice Age, and has been for the past 2.4 Million years.
Within this Ice Age are cycles of roughly 10 thousand years.
The Ice sheets move as far south as southern England, and can be more than a mile thick.
When they retreat north, they expose more land than currently exposed.
We talk about 'saving' the Planet, yet we don't really mean that.
We mean preserving conditions that enable our species to survive.
But considering the damage our species has done in the relatively short time we've been around........
The sooner our species becomes extinct.........the better.
What's going on?
We should be told.
Sort it out. | | | |
| global warming kicking in on 12:30 - Dec 19 with 918 views | TheBlob |
| global warming kicking in on 11:53 - Dec 19 by zicoshoops |
Regardless of human, or any other intervention.
Our Planet is in an Ice Age, and has been for the past 2.4 Million years.
Within this Ice Age are cycles of roughly 10 thousand years.
The Ice sheets move as far south as southern England, and can be more than a mile thick.
When they retreat north, they expose more land than currently exposed.
We talk about 'saving' the Planet, yet we don't really mean that.
We mean preserving conditions that enable our species to survive.
But considering the damage our species has done in the relatively short time we've been around........
The sooner our species becomes extinct.........the better.
What's going on?
We should be told.
Sort it out. |
Why extinct,from what perspective?The planet doesn't care one way or another.Humans are just a minor infestation,might make the planet itch a bit is all.The enlightened elements of humanity should move elsewhere and start again - the same mistakes won't be repeated.What's this I hear you cry?Leave the cradle of humanity?Hell,who wants to live in a cradle all their life. | |
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| global warming kicking in on 12:39 - Dec 19 with 908 views | TheBlob |
Fascinating topic,especially the Romans in Britain.Not everything about the subject appears in Wiki btw. .I've been reading the stuff for decades and have the distinct advantage of having an authority on the subject in my family.My bruv Jim,although disabled has a brilliant mind,academics used to seek him out for advice.He's got ideas on What The Romans Did For King Arthur,the Round Table wasn't a table and where it and the Holy Grail can be found(most likely).Lazy little bastard won't write the book. .Still,he's QPR so dispensations apply.T'was he that mentiioned the British exports to me,and the relative weather conditions using accounts you won't find online. | |
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| global warming kicking in on 12:42 - Dec 19 with 904 views | TheBlob |
Leonardo Da Vinci never went to University. | |
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| global warming kicking in on 13:08 - Dec 19 with 1456 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| global warming kicking in on 13:05 - Dec 19 by TheBlob |
Great stuff,nothing like the self-taught.
Cheese and Wine????? |
I was invited Blobby and it was frinks, I even wore a short sleeve shirt! |  |
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| global warming kicking in on 13:19 - Dec 19 with 1445 views | TheBlob |
| global warming kicking in on 13:08 - Dec 19 by Metallica_Hoop |
I was invited Blobby and it was frinks, I even wore a short sleeve shirt! |
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| global warming kicking in on 13:22 - Dec 19 with 1440 views | R_from_afar |
| global warming kicking in on 18:07 - Dec 18 by GloryHunter |
It is not true that the IPCC is composed of a thousand or more highly qualified and independent scientists. Only a minority of IPCC contributors are actually qualified climate scientists (and the thousands of other qualified climate scientists, who do not believe in a warmist armageddon, are not allowed to play). Some IPCC contributors are lobbying groups, representing FoE, Greenpeace, WWF, and even the insulation industry. Hence the mumbo-jumbo scare about Alpine glaciers disappearing by 2035 in one IPCC report, which turned out to come from a WWF lobbying document - peer review my ar$e. [Post edited 18 Dec 2013 18:18]
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Ahem! I talked about the number of contributors not who works for the IPCC: "That IPCC report was worked on by over 1000 highly qualified contributors".
Can you please point me to the peer reviewed, research based riposte of the "thousands of other qualified climate scientists, who do not believe in a warmist armageddon, (who) are not allowed to play"?
It's so easy to say what you do about the role of lobbying groups. Here is the URL for the authors of the latest IPCC report. I couldn't find Greenpeace or FoE on it.
http://ipcc.ch/pdf/ar5/ar5_authors_review_editors_updated.pdf
As for that glacier scare, you are correct but it concerned the Himalayas and was a typo. Before you start off on one about "a typo," bear in mind that these IPCC reports are gargantuan. The fourth one cited more than 6,000 peer-reviewed publications. They shouldn't be getting stuff wrong, I'll grant you, but these reports are simply vast.
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| global warming kicking in on 13:33 - Dec 19 with 1432 views | CiderwithRsie |
Try not to be silly. Where do you think, for example, Newton worked? Before him we didn't even know why things fall to the floor. Science, medical research, engineering, art, history, literature, economics, philosophy have all been dominated by universities for hundreds of years.
I repeat. Virtually everything we know about the world comes out of universities. | | | |
| global warming kicking in on 13:37 - Dec 19 with 1428 views | TheBlob |
| global warming kicking in on 13:33 - Dec 19 by CiderwithRsie |
Try not to be silly. Where do you think, for example, Newton worked? Before him we didn't even know why things fall to the floor. Science, medical research, engineering, art, history, literature, economics, philosophy have all been dominated by universities for hundreds of years.
I repeat. Virtually everything we know about the world comes out of universities. |
I believe Newton invented the cat flap.We have much to be thankful for. | |
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| global warming kicking in on 14:38 - Dec 19 with 1396 views | Jamie |
Naughty. | | | |
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