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global warming kicking in on 11:59 - Dec 11 by isawqpratwcity
This my heavy metal...
Have go at reconciling that. [Amused but apologetic smiley]
i've had to listen to that so many times since my son heard it on Insidious - he said to me this morning that one of the questions in his granddad's Christmas quiz was who was Tiny Tim's father. We had a whole discussion about who his father was and that he may have been in the music business as well - possibly a Christmas number 1 as it was a Christmas quiz - Bing Crosby or Perry Como perhaps? Decided to google it and only then realised i'd forgotten the original Dickens' Tiny Tim (my son still didn't know who that Tiny Tim was)
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global warming kicking in on 12:25 - Dec 11 with 1206 views
global warming kicking in on 14:00 - Dec 10 by Metallica_Hoop
Well done RFA for rectifying your blatent ommission (or should that be emission?
That was realy good especially the late riff.
I must get some more Nuclear Assault, I think I liked another of theirs you linked to a few weeks ago. Back in the day them, Kreator and Dokken were always in the 'bargain bins' so had a 'shite' stigma. Dokken fully deserve to be there but the other two I should have indulged more.
Another exotic one Blobby. saw her live at the 100 Club a few weeks ago. She liked the pic I took of her *Very blushes*
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Nuclear Assault can be pretty hit or miss but there are some crackers in their back catalogue. They don't take themselves too seriously, which is refreshing; they did a cover of the Happy Days theme and also this gem (it's a hidden track and you'll need to whack the volume up, it's barely audible):
I'm not sure about Dokken, I don't know them well. I always thought I would like Kreator but somehow, they don't quite cut it, for me.
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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global warming kicking in on 12:28 - Dec 11 with 1197 views
global warming kicking in on 12:16 - Dec 11 by scot1963
i've had to listen to that so many times since my son heard it on Insidious - he said to me this morning that one of the questions in his granddad's Christmas quiz was who was Tiny Tim's father. We had a whole discussion about who his father was and that he may have been in the music business as well - possibly a Christmas number 1 as it was a Christmas quiz - Bing Crosby or Perry Como perhaps? Decided to google it and only then realised i'd forgotten the original Dickens' Tiny Tim (my son still didn't know who that Tiny Tim was)
Yeh, sorry, Scottie...I'm just giving Blob a savage severely hard time.
global warming kicking in on 23:16 - Dec 10 by TheBlob
I think you should be more worried about Methane. Plants love carbon dioxide,vegetarians would be most miffed with no cabbages to munch on.
You are right to mention methane because it's 20x worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas and is being released as the permafrost - or should that be temporaryfrost? - thaws. Plants and the ocean and other natural systems can and do absorb CO2 but they cannot do it to an infinite degree and as the oceans absorb CO2, they become more acidic, affecting the bottom of the ocean food chain, e.g. krill, and damaging coral reefs (which is where, from memory, 20% of fish live). Not ideal, then.
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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global warming kicking in on 12:38 - Dec 11 with 1188 views
global warming kicking in on 12:34 - Dec 11 by R_from_afar
You are right to mention methane because it's 20x worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas and is being released as the permafrost - or should that be temporaryfrost? - thaws. Plants and the ocean and other natural systems can and do absorb CO2 but they cannot do it to an infinite degree and as the oceans absorb CO2, they become more acidic, affecting the bottom of the ocean food chain, e.g. krill, and damaging coral reefs (which is where, from memory, 20% of fish live). Not ideal, then.
RFA
Oddly enough planet hunters search the spectral lines for traces of methane as proof of organic life.Big up for methane I say,ET farting his head off kind of detroys the romance somewhat though.....
global warming kicking in on 11:01 - Dec 11 by TW_R
The atmosphere is 99% Nitrogen & Oxygen. CO2 makes up about 0.04%. That's estimated to be about 10% of it's highest level many millions of years ago. There is no evidence that by doubling the CO2 to 0.08% would have any detrimental impact to the climate.
Carbon dioxide is used in photosynthesis (in plants and other photoautotrophs), and is also a prominent greenhouse gas. Despite its relatively small overall concentration in the atmosphere, CO2 is an important component of Earth's atmosphere because it absorbs and emits infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode), thereby playing a role in the greenhouse effect.[6] The present level appears to be the highest in the past 800,000 years[7] and likely the highest in the past 20 million years,[8] but well below 10% of its 500-million-year peak.[9]
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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global warming kicking in on 13:32 - Dec 11 with 1143 views
global warming kicking in on 12:34 - Dec 11 by R_from_afar
You are right to mention methane because it's 20x worse than CO2 as a greenhouse gas and is being released as the permafrost - or should that be temporaryfrost? - thaws. Plants and the ocean and other natural systems can and do absorb CO2 but they cannot do it to an infinite degree and as the oceans absorb CO2, they become more acidic, affecting the bottom of the ocean food chain, e.g. krill, and damaging coral reefs (which is where, from memory, 20% of fish live). Not ideal, then.
RFA
But as methane only represents 0.000179% of the atmosphere it is 300 times less prevelant than CO2. Not only that, methane has a much smaller lifespan than CO2 of around 9 years.
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global warming kicking in on 13:35 - Dec 11 with 1135 views
Carbon dioxide is used in photosynthesis (in plants and other photoautotrophs), and is also a prominent greenhouse gas. Despite its relatively small overall concentration in the atmosphere, CO2 is an important component of Earth's atmosphere because it absorbs and emits infrared radiation at wavelengths of 4.26 µm (asymmetric stretching vibrational mode) and 14.99 µm (bending vibrational mode), thereby playing a role in the greenhouse effect.[6] The present level appears to be the highest in the past 800,000 years[7] and likely the highest in the past 20 million years,[8] but well below 10% of its 500-million-year peak.[9]
RFA
And there is still no evidence that suggests that doubling the concetration to 0.08% will have a detrimental impact to the climate or increase "global warming ".
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global warming kicking in on 13:37 - Dec 11 with 1131 views
global warming kicking in on 13:32 - Dec 11 by TW_R
But as methane only represents 0.000179% of the atmosphere it is 300 times less prevelant than CO2. Not only that, methane has a much smaller lifespan than CO2 of around 9 years.
It's a valuable fuel source,natural gas is mostly methane.Probably the cleanest fossil fuel but still produces a small amount of co2.
global warming kicking in on 13:35 - Dec 11 by TW_R
And there is still no evidence that suggests that doubling the concetration to 0.08% will have a detrimental impact to the climate or increase "global warming ".
No evidence? Even if you leave who is to blame for increased CO2 levels to one side, the correlation between atmospheric levels of CO2 and global temperatures is proven.
C02 = a greenhouse gas.
Greenhouse gases cause warming.
More gases = more warming.
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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global warming kicking in on 13:52 - Dec 11 with 1119 views
global warming kicking in on 13:32 - Dec 11 by TW_R
But as methane only represents 0.000179% of the atmosphere it is 300 times less prevelant than CO2. Not only that, methane has a much smaller lifespan than CO2 of around 9 years.
Good old Wikipedia: Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is an important greenhouse gas with a global warming potential of 34 over a 100-year period. This means that a methane emission will have 34 times the impact on temperature of a carbon dioxide emission of the same mass over the following 100 years. Methane has a large effect for a brief period (a net lifetime of 12.4 years in the atmosphere), whereas carbon dioxide has a small effect for a long period (over 100 years). Because of this difference in effect and time period, the global warming potential of methane over a 20 year time period is 86.
Bear in mind that there are tipping points with global climate. If, hypothetically, a large amount of methane was released, and even if it did only have a brief effect on temperature, that could be enough to melt the polar ice caps and glaciers, making the earth less reflective (lowering its albedo) and compounding the warming issue.
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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global warming kicking in on 13:54 - Dec 11 with 1118 views
global warming kicking in on 13:45 - Dec 11 by R_from_afar
No evidence? Even if you leave who is to blame for increased CO2 levels to one side, the correlation between atmospheric levels of CO2 and global temperatures is proven.
C02 = a greenhouse gas.
Greenhouse gases cause warming.
More gases = more warming.
RFA
But you're forgetting one element - the sun.Without its input there is no warming.The sun's output is variable,just pray it doesn't suddenly go nova. I had an argument online with some misguided soul that said that great nuclear fusion lamp in the sky had nothing to do with it. Then you look at Venus,the prime example of runaway Greenhouse Effect.But then Venus is mucho nearer the star.Amazing what you conveniently overlook to fuel theories.
global warming kicking in on 13:52 - Dec 11 by R_from_afar
Good old Wikipedia: Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is an important greenhouse gas with a global warming potential of 34 over a 100-year period. This means that a methane emission will have 34 times the impact on temperature of a carbon dioxide emission of the same mass over the following 100 years. Methane has a large effect for a brief period (a net lifetime of 12.4 years in the atmosphere), whereas carbon dioxide has a small effect for a long period (over 100 years). Because of this difference in effect and time period, the global warming potential of methane over a 20 year time period is 86.
Bear in mind that there are tipping points with global climate. If, hypothetically, a large amount of methane was released, and even if it did only have a brief effect on temperature, that could be enough to melt the polar ice caps and glaciers, making the earth less reflective (lowering its albedo) and compounding the warming issue.
RFA
The albedo problem is relatively easy to remedy.Mirrors to reflect sunlight,or black surfaces to attract depending on your preference for cooling or warming.
global warming kicking in on 23:07 - Dec 10 by FDC
Lol, yeah that' what swings it for me too, closely followed by the literally hundreds of thousands of pages of peer reviewed, largely open-access papers you can read on it.
But the problem I'm having is which set of peer-reviewing scientists to trust. The 15th century astrologers? 16th century alchemists maybe? Perhaps 17th century, when they just 'invented' phlogiston? The 18th century spontaneous generationists who thought life just developed from dust? No? The 19th century anti-Darwin creationists then. Surely the 20th century scientists who were proved right when we all perished from acid rain in a nuclear winter.
Science is quite often the art of massively backing the wrong horse until another horse turns up.
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global warming kicking in on 16:38 - Dec 11 with 1578 views
global warming kicking in on 13:45 - Dec 11 by R_from_afar
No evidence? Even if you leave who is to blame for increased CO2 levels to one side, the correlation between atmospheric levels of CO2 and global temperatures is proven.
C02 = a greenhouse gas.
Greenhouse gases cause warming.
More gases = more warming.
RFA
So what warming effect has increases in CO2 had?
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global warming kicking in on 12:17 - Dec 12 with 1544 views
The 2016 thing applied to arctic ice in the summer so that would be some way short of an ice free arctic (which would be very serious). The thing which concerns me is that the last time CO2 levels were this high, sea levels were 25-40 metres meters !) higher. Think of how many mega cities are on the coast...
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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global warming kicking in on 12:21 - Dec 12 with 1544 views
Yes, it is accounted for. The studies which look(ed) at what caused the recent warming take into account solar cycles.
I wasn't aware that there was doubt about the cause of past ice ages so I'd be interested in any article which discusses that (and I am not being ironic here).
RFA
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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(my son still didn't know who that Tiny Tim was) 
