| Peter Murphy For PM 11:18 - Sep 17 with 13560 views | exiled_dictator |
Peter who ....... ?
For those who don't know who Judge Peter Murphy is:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24119519
Yes, I am about to open a can of controversy, discussion & racist abuse.
As a practicing Muslim, I believe I have just about as much right as anyone else to comment on this issue, as if it doesn't already affect us, it soon will.
I am extremely grateful to this country for accepting our asylum back in 1980, as surely today none of my family would still be alive today otherwise. But, I also understand that although some parts of my culture are welcomed here, not all are. Nor should they be. I am grateful that I can eat Halal meat freely, as well as serving it freely in my restaurant. I don't expect that there is only Halal meat sold here and accept that some establishments will sell meats that I cannot eat, such as pig meat. This is fine, i don't eat there and don't tell you not to eat there.
Just as I am allowed to pray daily as I wish, celebrate my religion & its festivals freely without too much trouble generally. Occasionally, I have seen graffiti or heard racist comments made, but I tend to ignore these.
And my children can choose to have school lunches including vegetarian, Halal or just take their own food in without having to eat food that they don't want to.
Just as my wife and other female members of my family can choose to dress at they like including wearing jeans, high heels & a head or face covering. But this also means that if there are places that we go where head-wear including the nijab cannot be worn, then either she wouldn't wear one or we wouldn't go. Just to be clear, I don't ask or demand any fashion wear from my wife at all, but I know some Muslim men who do. The idea that any religion, including Islam, can be above the Civil Laws of the country, are crazy to me. Maybe in other countries (Saudi, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc), the laws are different, but we live in England and have to follow English laws. So if the law says that a woman cannot wear a nijab in court, then she must obey this. And it is a good thing that finally a judge has got the spine & balls to come out & say so, instead of making the majority conform to the minority. We should all celebrate all the festivals of this country, and not cancel Christmas because it might offend Muslims; this is such bull$hit, I find it embarrassing.
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:23 - Sep 17 with 8237 views | TheBlob |
An attitude that does you extreme credit.
Bravo. |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:26 - Sep 17 with 8223 views | hoopstilidie |
And for an opposing view.
https://twitter.com/anjemchoudary
Personally on the whole veil topic I'd say just state that it can't be worn in the same places that you are expected not to wear a crash helmet. |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:29 - Sep 17 with 8211 views | Lambourn |
i personally like muslims i have sold many overpriced horses to them, but the day they have halal meat on the racecourse i wont. |  | | |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:38 - Sep 17 with 8188 views | THEBUSH |
I'm against any religion what-so-ever, why should religion, tell you, what to eat, what to wear or how to live your life.
Imo, religion is man made, so why would I listen to someone who wants total control over my thoughts. |  | | |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:47 - Sep 17 with 8145 views | Lambourn |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:38 - Sep 17 by THEBUSH |
I'm against any religion what-so-ever, why should religion, tell you, what to eat, what to wear or how to live your life.
Imo, religion is man made, so why would I listen to someone who wants total control over my thoughts. |
Good comment. | | | |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:07 - Sep 17 with 8094 views | HollowayRanger |
99% of muslims are fine decent people
but living in this country i expect them to live and obey by our ways and certainly not try to change/bend/force us to change
i do my best not to buy their meat and refuse to talk to any of them if their faces are covered ,i find it totally crazy that this woman almost succeded in changing our rules in court, they have already bullied schools and colleges into allowing them, just imagine a crime is commited who did it?
its crazy if you want to live like that fine ,live in the middle east ,just like i would expect any brits to live and obey muslim laws and ways out there
sadly i do belive in time the world will become one massive muslim state thankfully i will be long gone by then |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:13 - Sep 17 with 8078 views | MrSheen |
Is it the singer from Bauhaus? I wonder what happened to him. |  | | |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:17 - Sep 17 with 8061 views | TheBlob |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:07 - Sep 17 by HollowayRanger |
99% of muslims are fine decent people
but living in this country i expect them to live and obey by our ways and certainly not try to change/bend/force us to change
i do my best not to buy their meat and refuse to talk to any of them if their faces are covered ,i find it totally crazy that this woman almost succeded in changing our rules in court, they have already bullied schools and colleges into allowing them, just imagine a crime is commited who did it?
its crazy if you want to live like that fine ,live in the middle east ,just like i would expect any brits to live and obey muslim laws and ways out there
sadly i do belive in time the world will become one massive muslim state thankfully i will be long gone by then |
According to external observers that argue that may happen in 50 years,yes it's possible.I predict that agitation for an enclave to exist within Britain will happen in less than 15 years. | |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:21 - Sep 17 with 8050 views | BlackCrowe |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:26 - Sep 17 by hoopstilidie |
And for an opposing view.
https://twitter.com/anjemchoudary
Personally on the whole veil topic I'd say just state that it can't be worn in the same places that you are expected not to wear a crash helmet. |
just had a look at that twitter feed. The man is completely insane. |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:21 - Sep 17 with 8049 views | Alvarado |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:13 - Sep 17 by MrSheen |
Is it the singer from Bauhaus? I wonder what happened to him. |
Nah, not the same Pete Murphy.
I used to be into them, shame, things don't seem to be working out too well for the bloke:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/03/bauhaus-singer-peter-murphy-pleads
note to others, do not attempt to dispose of a bag of mephamphetamines on the back seat of a police patrol vehicle. |  | | |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:52 - Sep 17 with 8001 views | Bluce_Ree |
The virginal brides file past his tomb
Strewn with time's dead flowers
Bereft in deathly bloom
Alone in a darkened room
The count
Bela Lugosi's dead
Bela Lugosi's dead
Bela Lugosi's dead
Undead undead undead |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:02 - Sep 17 with 7977 views | Juzzie |
Like Blob, I applaud Exiled's attitude.
"When in Rome" springs to mind. It is such a simple saying. Just as we expect people to abide by what goes on in this country we should do the same abroad.
Whilst I don't agree in anyway people throwing acid, girls should not be walking around streets in Muslim countries wearing just a bikini. It's disrespectful to their culture whether we agree with it or not.
Equally we absolutely should not have high level Muslims (or people from any religious faction) trying to impose and enforce their beliefs on us. This to me just enforces my view religion is all about mass control of people, power and money and more fool to the millions of people who are sucked into this and wreak havoc at their 'leaders' whims.
The problem is we have authority here who are so bloody scared about upsetting anyone they're letting them get away with it.
Sure, people should be able to believe in what they want to but don't try and impose it on others. That goes for all religions. [Post edited 17 Sep 2013 13:59]
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:13 - Sep 17 with 7945 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 11:29 - Sep 17 by Lambourn |
i personally like muslims i have sold many overpriced horses to them, but the day they have halal meat on the racecourse i wont. |
I would prefer a human eating halal beside me than a human partaking in horse racing in front of me. |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:18 - Sep 17 with 7918 views | MrSheen |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 12:52 - Sep 17 by Bluce_Ree |
The virginal brides file past his tomb
Strewn with time's dead flowers
Bereft in deathly bloom
Alone in a darkened room
The count
Bela Lugosi's dead
Bela Lugosi's dead
Bela Lugosi's dead
Undead undead undead |
Dark Entries, ooooer Mrs. | | | |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:20 - Sep 17 with 7911 views | isawqpratwcity |
That '60's DJ must be pretty old by now. |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:22 - Sep 17 with 7893 views | TheBlob |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:13 - Sep 17 by BrianMcCarthy |
I would prefer a human eating halal beside me than a human partaking in horse racing in front of me. |
So the bet blew out then?
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:32 - Sep 17 with 7856 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:22 - Sep 17 by TheBlob |
So the bet blew out then?
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Ya, God-DAMMIT!
No, I just hate horse racing. | |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:44 - Sep 17 with 7823 views | 1MoreBrightonR |
The objections to halal meat are pretty laughable if you ask me...suddenly all sorts of people who have had absolutely no interest in animal cruelty suddenly object to it because they have such big concerns about the way they are slaughtered. They dont object to to kosher meat and they couldnt care less about the factory farmed non halal meat they buy in the supermarkets and fast food places. It's such a tabloid/daily mail led cover for finding any way to acceptably be anti-islam.
I buy halal all the time...it's cheap and often better quality than the supermarkets and I like going to a local butcher, halal or not. |  | | |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:46 - Sep 17 with 7809 views | londonscottish |
Hi Exiled Dictator,
Thanks for putting forward a sensible, balanced and well thought out point of view.
I like your line about not forcing the majority confirm to the practices of the minority.
Same applies in the US except there it''s more likely to be extremist Christians who want everyone else to fall into line with their interpretation of what's right and wrong.
Live and let live is what I say (and clearly separating church from state helps). |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:53 - Sep 17 with 7788 views | isawqpratwcity |
The secularity of this thread is delightful.
Oh, except HoveJim. | |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:58 - Sep 17 with 7769 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Served jury service 3 times.
The face being visible is vital to gage witnesses/defendants etc. Anyone who refuses to show it should be locked up until they do, indefinitely if need be.
No religion is superior to the state and instruments of the state. |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 14:03 - Sep 17 with 7755 views | TheBlob |
Kebabs are just hospital waste aren't they?
You need ten pints to contemplate wrestling with them bad boys. | |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 14:16 - Sep 17 with 7716 views | loftboy |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:44 - Sep 17 by 1MoreBrightonR |
The objections to halal meat are pretty laughable if you ask me...suddenly all sorts of people who have had absolutely no interest in animal cruelty suddenly object to it because they have such big concerns about the way they are slaughtered. They dont object to to kosher meat and they couldnt care less about the factory farmed non halal meat they buy in the supermarkets and fast food places. It's such a tabloid/daily mail led cover for finding any way to acceptably be anti-islam.
I buy halal all the time...it's cheap and often better quality than the supermarkets and I like going to a local butcher, halal or not. |
My local kebab shop is run by Turkish Muslims, all meat is halal but I never knew that until I had been using the place for a year or so, lovely food every time served with cold crisp salad. Meat ia meat once its dead and stripped of all the crap. |  |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 14:16 - Sep 17 with 7716 views | isawqpratwcity |
| Peter Murphy For PM on 13:58 - Sep 17 by Metallica_Hoop |
Served jury service 3 times.
The face being visible is vital to gage witnesses/defendants etc. Anyone who refuses to show it should be locked up until they do, indefinitely if need be.
No religion is superior to the state and instruments of the state. |
I agree. Facial exposure to the judge/jury is necessary.
It is a cornerstone of trial by peers. | |
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| Peter Murphy For PM on 14:37 - Sep 17 with 7669 views | Deano19766 |
Just a few things I thought I'd throw in -
1) Wasn't the state legal system once pretty much entirely based upon, and run by, the teachings of the Catholic church? Of course it has been eradicated by the shrinking religious numbers in this country these days, but even now you still swear on the bible when giving evidence, so religion still has a role in the state legal system unfortunately, albeit massively diminished.
2) Muslims are born naked, and once upon a time their ancestors would have walked around naked. What's all this sh!te about covering up from head to toe all about?
3) I'm fed up hearing about Muslims this and Muslims that. Get over yourselves. We are all born the same and we all go back the same. You are no different to the rest of us ATAF. If you want to follow Islam fine, but shut the fcuk up about it and get on with it yourself, just like the majority of people go about their own business. The same goes for Christians, jews, jehovas witnesses, etc etc, but who are far less vocal than muslims. WE DON't GIVE A FCUK SO GIVE OUR EARS A REST
4) Those who state religion is about control of the masses are correct. However, just because we are not religious does not mean we are not being controlled. The Illuminati have us all under their control!
This is in no way an attack on exiled dictator, whose post is very sensible. | | | |
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