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I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games 19:41 - Dec 26 with 6815 views

Lots of negative posts around social media in the immediate aftermath of the game but I'll take 4 points from two tough away games all day long. Cardiff didn't have a shot on target (even though they should have). Critchley is two games in. We haven't conceded a goal away from home again. Clean sheets mean you climb the table eventually. He has a lot of work to do but this is a really decent start.

[Post edited 26 Dec 2022 19:44]

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I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 08:56 - Dec 27 with 2127 views

CamberleyR

I think if the Preston and Cardiff results were switched round and with two clean sheets away from home we'd all be pretty happy.

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I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 09:14 - Dec 27 with 2075 views

BerkoRanger

Think it could be deliberate that Neil has come in with the aim of shoring up the defence first so I'll defo take 4 points from the first two away games. Well done to all concerned.

[Post edited 27 Dec 2022 9:45]

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davman

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 09:14 - Dec 27 by BerkoRanger
Think it could be deliberate that Neil has come in with the aim of shoring up the defence first so I'll defo take 4 points from the first two away games. Well done to all concerned. [Post edited 27 Dec 2022 9:45]

Yep 4 points great, but that performance was so far below par. Seny had nothing to do (no shots on target by them), Jimmy and Sam Field on it, but so many well, well off the pace.

Laird was utterly useless yesterday, Paal lightweight who could not deliver. Dykes uninvolved, Adomah constantly losing the ball, Dozzell good passing and energy, but ineffectual, Roberts a little boy lost, Shodipo woeful, Amos showing just how far behind Tim he really is.

Not a good performance from players who really should be doing better and absolutely no goal threat whatsoever.

Really happy with those 4 points, but a big turn round in individual and team performance needed if we are to get anything from the next two games.

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I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 10:03 - Dec 27 with 1979 views

nix

We didn't engage physically as much as we did at Preston. Not so much energy to get the ball, win our duels and get past the defenders.

Laird didn't offer much yesterday and Iroegbunan was a bit hampered by the early booking. Not sure where Richards is, I thought he, Johansen and Iroegbunan are the three midfielders that have the ability to break through the lines.

Cardiff were playing more like an away team, expending far more energy closing us down and just looking to get us on the break. It really is our biggest issue as a team and has been for several seasons, trying to work out how to beat the press, which almost all teams are doing against us now. It does make for some boring games.

When we do play better against this kind of play, we are more energetic and have better movement and more physicality, like we had against Preston. But we do need better strategies against the press overall.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 10:12 - Dec 27 with 1963 views

terryb

I certainly would have been happy with four points before the Preston match & I'm happy that we've kept two clean sheets, but last night was dire. Dieng didn't have to make a save & the Cardiff 'keeper had just the one very easy save to make.

The introduction of our four substitutes made no difference to our "pattern" of play or to carrying any threat. The only exception being the Laird run that Shodipo wasted with his shot.

Anyhow, on to Thursday & I will be at LR hoping for a win. I doubt that I will make the game next Monday though. 8.00pm kick off & rail replacement could lead me to watching on Sky. The performance last night has no bearing on this.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 10:26 - Dec 27 with 1918 views

Superhoops2808

For me, these are the types of games we have lost in the past, so to have a bad day at the office and dig out a 0-0 is a positive. Was it fun to watch? Definitely not and I had looked forward to getting something from the game but never mind it is what it is.

Another point to make, an average of 2 points per game is enough to get promoted on, so at this rate, NC is starting his brief as required

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 11:04 - Dec 27 with 1834 views

dmm

Just a small point; it seems recent managers have all given Shodipo a few run outs early in their tenure to then leave him out completely. He must do something in training that he doesn't replicate in games.

I hope Critchley has now seen enough and comes to the same conclusion as the others. I don't want to be horrible to the lad but he'd do far better for himself playing in League 1 or 2.

Much the same goes for Thomas.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 11:17 - Dec 27 with 1818 views

Burnleyhoop

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 09:14 - Dec 27 by BerkoRanger
Think it could be deliberate that Neil has come in with the aim of shoring up the defence first so I'll defo take 4 points from the first two away games. Well done to all concerned. [Post edited 27 Dec 2022 9:45]

That was not shoring up the defence. They had enough clear cut opportunities from players totally unmarked to have won that game comfortably. Tim and Dozzell were nowhere to be seen defensively.

The Preston performance was excellent, followed by a typical flat, uninspiring effort. It’s the lack of consistency and inability to maintain any sort of momentum that baffles me.

Play like that against Luton and Sheffield and we will be in big trouble. What is certain, is that we will have absolutely no clue what type of performance we will get ( apart from Dunne and Field, who always put in 100%).

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 13:14 - Dec 27 with 1688 views

gazza1

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 11:04 - Dec 27 by dmm

The Manager is giving these guys, Thomas/Ship a chance.......just like many on this MB they give these players a chance, some MB posters give them far too many chances!!!!! Eventually they come around to what I have said many times - neither are good enough for QPR in the Championship if we want to get into the play-offs. I believe both will be gone by the summer, if not sooner - we cannot keep extending contracts to players that are clearly not good enough.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 14:01 - Dec 27 with 1626 views

CateLeBonR

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 13:14 - Dec 27 by gazza1

Agree with much of what's been said. I thought neither side deserved 3 points and I'd have been gutted lose that.

Cardiff just sort of sat deep beckoning us forward and we showed little ambition to do that, which led to a dull game. Our subs made us worse but I doubt Critchley would have removed Dykes without good reason. I was thinking Roberts for Adomah, Amos for Tim, Chair for Willock at the time.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 14:29 - Dec 27 with 1557 views

QPR_Jim

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 13:14 - Dec 27 by gazza1

The most frustrating thing watching Shodipo and Roberts was that we didn't us their pace. Twice in quick succession I think both of those two got the ball into feet in their own half facing their own goal and tried a speculative punt into the channel which deflected in behind our own defence.

It's lazy on their part but as a team that's not where we want them either. Critchley had some success with raw players relying on pace I think at Blackpool, so I don't mind him giving them and the team some time to change to get more out of these players.

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PinnerPaul

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 21:41 - Dec 26 by WestonsuperR
4pts from the 2 away matches is a really solid return, the issue is that Cardiff looked so poor, are in bad form and we created so little, so it was more than manner of the draw than the points return. I’m more than satisfied with Critchley’s first 2 matches and I avoid the hysterical overreaction on social media but I do think some disappointment is understandable.

What disappointed we didn't get 6?

The very sensible Clive feared we would get nothing from those two "very tough away games"

Pointless putting "very tough" in front of any game "They are all tough in this league" as every man and his dog tell us all the time about every ******* game in every ****** pre and post match interview!

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 14:46 - Dec 27 with 1520 views

PinnerPaul

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 21:43 - Dec 26 by numptydumpty

Watched this one at home.

Mate came round watch it and he wasn't happy but he goes to about three games a year.

He got a ticket for Thursday but not going now after this performance aka half this message board more than likely.

I will go to all home games if i can ie got season ticket and my view different to my mates.

Was pretty content tbf. Two clean sheets, four points and two home games to come after one point in last eighteen is a vast improvement.

Yes the game was dull and it seems Critchley will be a more pragmatic manager than the last two.

We not going have three twos or three fours but nil nils or one nils.

Myself I less stressed watching these games but less excited but as been said, it's a results business and so far so good for Critchley.

Could have predicted all the nonsense posts on the thread.

Think half of our fanbase, usually the armchair brigade have these delusions of grandeur.

Pleased with that myself.

Boxing day hangovers all round perhaps !!

So was a delicate stroll in the park for most...

[Post edited 26 Dec 2022 21:45]

Is your mate about 6?

"Not going now after that performance"

Clearly he doesn't watch much football if he is over the age I guessed at!

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 14:48 - Dec 27 with 1513 views

PinnerPaul

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 01:06 - Dec 27 by CroydonCaptJack
Your mate sounds pretty loyal.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 14:56 - Dec 27 with 1481 views

davman

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 10:03 - Dec 27 by nix

Sorry, nix, you won't like this, but the reason we can't beat the press in general is because we do not have Helguson up front. Against Preston, Dykes played as well as he can, won loads of flicks that went to our players; against Cardiff he won f-all.

That has been our problem for the years you mention; we have not had a good enough centre forward who can hold the ball up as an "out" ball to beat the press and bring midfielders into the game.

I do wonder what Critchley is going to do with Willock and Chair, because I don't think sticking them left and right of Dykes would be best; they surely operate as two 10s behind a mobile cf and again, that's not Dykes.

[Post edited 27 Dec 2022 17:06]

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I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 20:20 - Dec 26 by distortR
mate,we did not 'defend splendidly' today.

Oh yes we did.

Sorry, it’s panto time of year

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 16:05 - Dec 27 with 1374 views

Wilkinswatercarrier

Pleased with the 4 points, however yesterday was not a good performance. Cardiff had the better chances to score, and if they had won then we couldn't really complain.
Against a team 4th bottom then most QPR fans would expect a better performance. It was dull, dull, dull.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 18:20 - Dec 27 with 1225 views

numptydumpty

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 14:46 - Dec 27 by PinnerPaul
Is your mate about 6? "Not going now after that performance" Clearly he doesn't watch much football if he is over the age I guessed at!

Hahahahaha

Yes he is about 6 mentally, actually though 55 in years.

We both gone up there from childhood and were regulars constantly around in the 90s.

We both moved away, he is in Cardiff, I am in Berkshire.

But yes he likes the nice warm armchair !!!

Think they may well be a few other such species posting on here. Probably the ones that complain the loudest, I would assume...

Hopefully they will all out themselves in good time !!!

Yep my sad friend is one of this species !!!

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I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 19:12 - Dec 27 with 1154 views

nix

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 14:56 - Dec 27 by davman

[Post edited 27 Dec 2022 17:06]

I don't dislike it Davman. I don't agree though as you might have guessed! Dykes does win flicks but we need players that get involved and make runs beyond the player with the ball and into the box. I thought our movement was better against Preston, so we created more.

As a team we can be way too static at times which makes us easier to defend against. Maybe it's a combination of better movement, Dykes winning more balls, faster passing and greater physicality across the team.

I don't think we stretch teams enough. It seems rare that we force defenders to run back towards their own goal, which is a nightmare to defend against. Other teams put us more under that kind of pressure, even the teams that are not so good.

Having said that Cardiff have beaten Sunderland, Birmingham, Norwich, Blackburn and Middlesbrough this season' and drawn against Burnley and Preston, so they can be effective if not pretty to watch.

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 00:49 - Dec 28 with 1034 views

davman

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 19:12 - Dec 27 by nix

No ability to make the ball stick up front, no-one from Midfield running beyond Dykes, no pace. Those are the reasons we do not get defenders facing their 'keeper. We don' t play the ball over the top for those reasons.

With the personnel we have and the fact that we seem dead set on launching attacks through the wings means 3 CBs with Laird and Paal as wing backs instead of full backs has to be worth a try. Yes, we lose a vital body in the centre for defensive purposes, but it is the formation this team is best suited to.
5-2-2-1.

Individually good players, but as Clive says in his match reports, the difference between us on a good day and us on a bad day is far, far too big.

And yes, Dykes can win flicks (see Preston (a)), but he did not win many at all v Cardiff, which is one of the reasons for the chasm between those two team performances.

... but Cardiff are comfortably the worst team I've seen us play over the two games. They really are not very good at all...

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I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 01:56 - Dec 28 with 1014 views

nix

Some good points there Davman. I'm all for critiquing players and discussing how they can improve or how we can play to their strengths.

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daveB

We very rarley play well on Boxing Day and at least we didn't lose, onto the next one

I'm not complaining about 4 points on the road at two tough away games on 10:34 - Dec 28 with 821 views

johnhoop

I think as others have said, four points isn’t at all a bad return from two away games but the disappointing thing is that Cardiff were so poor when we played them at home and by all accounts were there for the taking yesterday so it would have been great to have had a couple more points in the bag before the two tough home games we’ve got coming up, where we’re going to have to raise our performance level considerably from the last game to get anything at all.

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