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Rest my case. This thread was an acknowledgement of a great man-acknowledges as such by the free world. It soon morphed into what he did in the early 60s not what he did in the early 90s .
Fact is it was the black Africans land not the Boers, not the British. We raped the land took all the wealth for the benefit of the few and Kings and when they rebelled feck me theyre nothing but murderers.
To me its clear there are racial overtones in this thread .
Whites did just fine and its tough to be brought into the 20th C. Innity.
It s easy,we are all part of the human race and we live on this lonely planet in blackness of space...
“Sport has the power to unite people in a way that little else can. It can create hope where once there was only despair. It breaks down racial barriers. It laughs in the face of discrimination. Sport speaks to people in a language they can understand.” — Nelson Mandela
PROUD RECIPIENT OF THE THIRD PLANET SWANS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.
"Per ardua ad astra"
Yeah, imagine being persecuted and discriminated against because of the colour of your skin. Good job the blacks of South Africa never had to put up with anything like that.
It's funny how you're perfectly happy to write people off as terrorists while you don't have a bad word to say about their oppressors.
We're not having this pantomime tonight in honour of Hendrik Verwoerd though, are we? We're doing it to honour a man who helped set up the Quatro base in Angola where hundreds, perhaps thousands were tortured, sometimes killed, under Stasi tutelage for challenging ANC/communist orthodoxies.
Take the mask off that smiling old man doing his little jig with The Spice Girls, waving to the world's press, and there's a demon.
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Nelson Mandela RIP on 13:03 - Dec 9 with 1424 views
Regardless of what you may think,these events took place. It was a cracking final and I remember it well as will rugby fans the world over.
After that final South Africa was never the same again...all thanks to sport and mandelas ability to unite a nation and get behind the team.
The All Blacks were poisoned before the game and Derek Bevan was bought a Rolex and presented with it BEFORE the final.............he returned it I believe as he knew how it would have looked.
The All Blacks were poisoned before the game and Derek Bevan was bought a Rolex and presented with it BEFORE the final.............he returned it I believe as he knew how it would have looked.
It was a big joke at the time that the Welsh referee Derek Bevin had to be helped on o the plane on his way home to Cardiff from South Africa because he could not walk with all the gold that the South Africans had given him as a thank you.
Regardless, it was a match that changed the course of a nation.
PROUD RECIPIENT OF THE THIRD PLANET SWANS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.
"Per ardua ad astra"
So am I correct in assuming that Apatheid wasn't that bad at all and that Mandela had no mandate apart from killing the White man for killing sake. Its simple really. Keep away from other people s land ,don't subjugate them, don't oppress them and don't use force to sustain something that is basically inhumane. This is beginning to make me feel sick now so that s my last
Nelson Mandela RIP on 14:05 - Dec 9 by perchrockjack
So am I correct in assuming that Apatheid wasn't that bad at all and that Mandela had no mandate apart from killing the White man for killing sake. Its simple really. Keep away from other people s land ,don't subjugate them, don't oppress them and don't use force to sustain something that is basically inhumane. This is beginning to make me feel sick now so that s my last
That actually made me laugh, Perch, because we know of course history teaches that the communists were entirely innocent of the litany of crimes you've signaled.
The South African Communist Party was a blood drenched freak show. So hardline that even its Muscovite masters used to blanch at its methods.
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Nelson Mandela RIP on 14:24 - Dec 9 with 1333 views
So how come they did nt seize the chance to avenge the regime when they had a chance?
Maybe it was something to do with Mandela telling them to throw their weapons into the sea and unite with fellow South Africans?what about the neo nazi paramilitary forces of the government and the police on the other side who were far more harsh and blood thirsty.
Dunno just a thought like
PROUD RECIPIENT OF THE THIRD PLANET SWANS LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD.
"Per ardua ad astra"
So how come they did nt seize the chance to avenge the regime when they had a chance?
Maybe it was something to do with Mandela telling them to throw their weapons into the sea and unite with fellow South Africans?what about the neo nazi paramilitary forces of the government and the police on the other side who were far more harsh and blood thirsty.
Dunno just a thought like
They're doing it now. Right now as we sit here. Since 1994 some 60,000 white South Africans have been murdered. That figure includes some 4,000 or so commercial farmers working in isolated areas. Across the border in old Rhodesia the ethnic cleansing is all but complete. In the former bread basket of Africa people are starving.
Mandela didn't come out of gaol, smile benevolently, wave a little magic wand then people all joined hands and lived happily ever after in the rainbow nation. That's the fiction the left-media are trying to sell. The reality is Julius Malema and Ronald Lamola.
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Nelson Mandela RIP on 15:00 - Dec 9 with 1285 views
Again,Afrikaaners putting out false figures of how they are being wiped out like flies in South Africa at the moment. It simply is nt true according to reports.it s been proven false.
The official figures are that this group is the least likely to get murdered.can t comment on other countries.
“Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts,” Lizette Lancaster, who manages the Institute for Security Studies crime and justice hub, told Africa Check. This is supported by an analysis of a national sample of 1378 murder dockets conducted by police in 2009. In 86.9% of the cases, the victims were Africans. Whites accounted for 1.8% of the cases (although whites make up 8.85% of the population).
According to Lancaster official police statistics show that between April 1994 and March 2012 a total of 361 015 people were murdered in South Africa. Applying the 1.8% figure, it would mean that roughly 6,498 whites have been murdered since April 1994.
Even if there were some variation on the 1.8% figure, the number of white murder victims would still fail to come anywhere close to filling a soccer stadium. The fact is that whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race in South Africa. The current murder rate of white South Africans is also equivalent to, or lower than, murder rates for whites recorded between 1979 and 1991.
Again,Afrikaaners putting out false figures of how they are being wiped out like flies in South Africa at the moment. It simply is nt true according to reports.it s been proven false.
The official figures are that this group is the least likely to get murdered.can t comment on other countries.
“Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts,” Lizette Lancaster, who manages the Institute for Security Studies crime and justice hub, told Africa Check. This is supported by an analysis of a national sample of 1378 murder dockets conducted by police in 2009. In 86.9% of the cases, the victims were Africans. Whites accounted for 1.8% of the cases (although whites make up 8.85% of the population).
According to Lancaster official police statistics show that between April 1994 and March 2012 a total of 361 015 people were murdered in South Africa. Applying the 1.8% figure, it would mean that roughly 6,498 whites have been murdered since April 1994.
Even if there were some variation on the 1.8% figure, the number of white murder victims would still fail to come anywhere close to filling a soccer stadium. The fact is that whites are less likely to be murdered than any other race in South Africa. The current murder rate of white South Africans is also equivalent to, or lower than, murder rates for whites recorded between 1979 and 1991.
Bony, what did I just say about image selling by the left-media? You need to understand what Africa Check is, what it's aims are and who funds it...primarily The Open Society Foundation for South Africa. Its whole raison d'etre is to throw a protective arm around the ANC government and help to deflect what it perceives as unfair criticism on the one hand and sow the seed of doubt by the careful positing of "facts" and figures, carefully selected, where they perceive a real case to answer. Misdirection, statistical slight of hand. It's a PR front.
So black South Africans are far more likely to be killed than white. I don't doubt it for a minute. They can take that easily verifiable statement and use it to ward off any number of uncomfortable enquiries. Meanwhile, in the real world, it all just goes on regardless.
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Nelson Mandela RIP on 15:38 - Dec 9 with 1246 views
I seem to remember the late Peter Ustinov argued with officials in S. Africa during apartheid and refused to acknowledge that his skin colour was white when it was clear to everybody that it was pink.
Bony, what did I just say about image selling by the left-media? You need to understand what Africa Check is, what it's aims are and who funds it...primarily The Open Society Foundation for South Africa. Its whole raison d'etre is to throw a protective arm around the ANC government and help to deflect what it perceives as unfair criticism on the one hand and sow the seed of doubt by the careful positing of "facts" and figures, carefully selected, where they perceive a real case to answer. Misdirection, statistical slight of hand. It's a PR front.
So black South Africans are far more likely to be killed than white. I don't doubt it for a minute. They can take that easily verifiable statement and use it to ward off any number of uncomfortable enquiries. Meanwhile, in the real world, it all just goes on regardless.
That well known leftie organ The Economist also supports the fact that Whites are several times less likely to be murdered than Blacks in SA. Can debate the reasons for this, but facts is facts. There's little to support your assertion of a pogrom against Whites.
That well known leftie organ The Economist also supports the fact that Whites are several times less likely to be murdered than Blacks in SA. Can debate the reasons for this, but facts is facts. There's little to support your assertion of a pogrom against Whites.
Little save for the dead and the derelict farms.
I've already agreed, Ux, that blacks are more likely to be killed. There's no doubting it.
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Nelson Mandela RIP on 15:57 - Dec 9 with 1223 views
Yes but you also said that 60,000 whites have been killed in ethnic cleansing by Mandelas government since he took over in 1994.
That is a down and out blatant lie.
No I didn't. I said that the ethnic cleansing of old Rhodesia was all but complete. The white population there is a tiny fraction of what it was in the '60s. That's incontestible.
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