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More shares issued 17:38 - Jun 21 with 3197 viewsKeithHaynes

Seems that’s 5.5 million in the last two months.

A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
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More shares issued on 17:19 - Jun 22 with 1095 viewsReslovenSwan1

More shares issued on 16:56 - Jun 22 by QJumpingJack

"Next level" is the comment/direct words from Jason in the interview supplied on this thread. Maybe you should take a few moments to listen to it?

I also remember Chris Pearlman talking about "next level" when he joined the club. Maybe opening a club shop close to Burger King in the city centre was one of those steps to next level?
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Listened to it twice no mention of " next level". It is a fantasy. The old hoard took Sean's to top 8 and Europe. What do you expect ? Champions League? No such promises.

Next level is a fake claim to signify broken promises. Football is very competitive and fans should spend less time feeling betrayed and more time backing the owners. Support the whole club.

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More shares issued on 20:06 - Jun 22 with 1007 viewsQJumpingJack

More shares issued on 17:19 - Jun 22 by ReslovenSwan1

Listened to it twice no mention of " next level". It is a fantasy. The old hoard took Sean's to top 8 and Europe. What do you expect ? Champions League? No such promises.

Next level is a fake claim to signify broken promises. Football is very competitive and fans should spend less time feeling betrayed and more time backing the owners. Support the whole club.


My bad. Wrong link. Try this:

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More shares issued on 20:06 - Jun 22 by QJumpingJack

My bad. Wrong link. Try this:




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More shares issued on 20:06 - Jun 22 by QJumpingJack

My bad. Wrong link. Try this:



Now you have done it. Not more embarrassing reversing to come.
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More shares issued on 21:12 - Jun 22 with 924 viewsReslovenSwan1

More shares issued on 20:20 - Jun 22 by Whiterockin

Now you have done it. Not more embarrassing reversing to come.


Strange that he did not give the time of the " next level" quote to save me watching the whole thing. That would have been a nice touch. But then again I did watch the whole thing and there was no such reference .

Other posters need not watch it all. All he promised was best practice and improving commercial income. Mid Florida sponsor have been for two years.

Recruitment let the down. Clucas Bony and Sanches in particular.
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More shares issued on 21:35 - Jun 22 with 905 viewsQJumpingJack

More shares issued on 21:12 - Jun 22 by ReslovenSwan1

Strange that he did not give the time of the " next level" quote to save me watching the whole thing. That would have been a nice touch. But then again I did watch the whole thing and there was no such reference .

Other posters need not watch it all. All he promised was best practice and improving commercial income. Mid Florida sponsor have been for two years.

Recruitment let the down. Clucas Bony and Sanches in particular.
[Post edited 22 Jun 21:34]


check out this link then - it may have been said at the Trust forum which was recorded.

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More shares issued on 22:56 - Jun 22 with 858 viewsSwans9

You were right all along. They love the club sorry for doubting you. I had 2 1 Univ I needed you to open my eyes. These owners best thing ever happened to us. Please don't reply.
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More shares issued on 09:34 - Jun 25 with 711 viewsvetchonian

More shares issued on 19:02 - Jun 21 by Whiterockin

If we are losing £3M a month, they really are shocking at running a football club. Plus we are right up the creek with P&S, if we really are losing that amount. If not there should be an explanation.
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Kieran Maguire on Swansea City by KeithHaynes 24 Jun 20:37
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Swansea City confirmed losses of £17.9m in their latest set of accounts (Image: Getty Images)
It's perhaps gone under the radar a little, but Swansea City's owners have ploughed more money into the club's coffers.

Confirming yet another move that would see the issuing of new shares, the Swansea City Supporters' Trust said in a statement: "The Swans Trust can confirm today that a further 110,549 new shares have been issued at a total value of just over £2.5m following fresh investment into the club.

"As per our earlier statements earlier this year this is the latest of a series of cash injections which has been made by Swansea Football LLC, the investment vehicle of the majority owners, which includes Chairman Andy Coleman, Jason Levien, Steve Kaplan, and Jake Silverstein.

"We understand this is the final investment into the club from the majority owners in this financial year."

This is now the fifth time in as many months that the American ownership has decided to make such a move. Over the last 12 months, the issuing of new shares has injected nearly £28m into the club.

It's become an occurrence so regular that this latest announcement was made with next to no fanfare by the club, or indeed the media.

But ahead of what promises to be a very important summer, it has nevertheless piqued the interest of supporters, many of whom might well be wondering what it all means.

Some may take it as an indication that Swansea's American owners are getting serious about the upcoming campaign, others are pondering whether it's perhaps a cause for concern, particularly when placed against the backdrop of a slightly uneasy set of financial results.

The reality is a little more menial. Indeed, Swansea are by no means the only club in this position, particularly in the glorified casino that is the Championship.

"It's not unusual," says football finance guru Kieran Maguire. "There's other clubs, including those in the Championship, that do similar. Preston's owners have effectively given the club £1m a month via a share issue.

"It's an acknowledgement that if you want to go and play in the Championship playground it's a very expensive exercise to go through. The average losses are £400k a week. How do you circumvent that? One of the ways to do that is to issue shares. That's what we've seen here, with Swansea.

"It's better than borrowing money because if you issue shares, you don't have to pay them back. It's the owners putting money into the club to effectively keep the lights on. That sounds very dramatic. But it's not. Every club in the Championship is in a very similar position.

"Swansea were actually mid-table in terms of losses last season. Their losses were half that of Burnley and Sheffield United. Norwich lost close to £30m. Birmingham lost more, so did Bristol City, Blackburn and QPR. So Swansea are about eighth or ninth in the list of losses."

Financial losses will always carry the weight needed to generate a concerning headline, and many will argue that just because other clubs in the division are facing similar challenges doesn't mean the reality of Swansea's balance sheet can just be brushed off.

But for now, Maguire argues, there's little reason to worry.

"Unless the owners decide to do a Mel Morris at Derby and they get bored, or maybe realise that sticking £400k a week into the football club isn't a particularly good use of the children's inheritance.

"If the owners walk away, it then means the club doesn't have the resources to pay the bills on a month-by-month basis. That increases the risk of administration.

"Football clubs are trophy assets and provided the owner is getting some enjoyment out of it, in exactly the same way as they might a helicopter or a private island or a yacht, and we are talking about high-net worth individuals, then it's fine.

"But the owners are the biggest assets because they fund the losses, but they're the biggest risks because if their circumstances or attitudes change. Then the club is in a precarious position."

Given the club has seemingly ruled out any further issuing of new shares for the rest of the year, it appears there's some confidence that there will be enough cash to see them through for the first half of the season, although there's nothing stopping them from ploughing more in should they so wish.

"Issuing new shares is limitless," Maguire says. "Roman Abramovich brought in £1.5bn of financial support for Chelsea. Brighton's owners put in half a billion.

"There's nothing from a legal point of view to stop clubs taking such an approach. It could be that the owners might choose to put in some of the money in the form of interest-free loans as opposed to shares. But that's effectively the same thing - money to keep the lights on."

As with the Swans' latest accounts, the main takeaway that emerges from all this is that the reliance on the American ownership has never been stronger.

"It is very much a dependency relationship as opposed to the owner happening to be very good at what they do," Maguire adds.

That's all very well. But the obvious next question becomes what Swansea's owners actually get out of all this.

"They get the excitement," Maguire says. "There's the potential in 12 months' time to be hosting Liverpool, or Man United or Man City at your stadium. There's that incentive that if they do get to the Premier League and keep it there, then the value of the club does shoot up and you could potentially make a big financial return.

"But it doesn't tend to be a motivation. It's like any other trophy purchase. You might buy a piece of art just to say that you now own that piece of art.

"At any one point in time there's only 20 people on the planet that can say they own a Premier League football club."

A top-flight return still feels a little way off, but the ownership have made no secret of their desire to take the club back to the promised land one day.

Whether they're in a position to give Luke Williams, or indeed any manager, the adequate tools to get there any time soon is perhaps another question.



Maybe this might answer a few questions
I'm not the greatest fan of our owners but the grief they get sometimes.
Running a Championship club is not cheap
I think people forget that even back in the PL our previous owners borrowed money every close season.
Back in the sellouts hay day... the club didn't have the expense of the Landore and Gairwood facilities. I am talking about our last time in the Championship.
Costs have increased. The introduction of the mininum wage in 2016 will have impacted...on stewarding and catering costs ...we have spent monies on compensation and payoffs to managers.Players wages and fees have increased whilst our income is in decline .
The crazy change to payment at the stadium along with those who will not put monies into the Yanks pockets don't help.in the meanwhile have
we seen the price of season tickets increase greatly?

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More shares issued on 09:48 - Jun 25 with 689 viewsWhiterockin

More shares issued on 09:34 - Jun 25 by vetchonian

Kieran Maguire on Swansea City by KeithHaynes 24 Jun 20:37
WOL.

Swansea City confirmed losses of £17.9m in their latest set of accounts (Image: Getty Images)
It's perhaps gone under the radar a little, but Swansea City's owners have ploughed more money into the club's coffers.

Confirming yet another move that would see the issuing of new shares, the Swansea City Supporters' Trust said in a statement: "The Swans Trust can confirm today that a further 110,549 new shares have been issued at a total value of just over £2.5m following fresh investment into the club.

"As per our earlier statements earlier this year this is the latest of a series of cash injections which has been made by Swansea Football LLC, the investment vehicle of the majority owners, which includes Chairman Andy Coleman, Jason Levien, Steve Kaplan, and Jake Silverstein.

"We understand this is the final investment into the club from the majority owners in this financial year."

This is now the fifth time in as many months that the American ownership has decided to make such a move. Over the last 12 months, the issuing of new shares has injected nearly £28m into the club.

It's become an occurrence so regular that this latest announcement was made with next to no fanfare by the club, or indeed the media.

But ahead of what promises to be a very important summer, it has nevertheless piqued the interest of supporters, many of whom might well be wondering what it all means.

Some may take it as an indication that Swansea's American owners are getting serious about the upcoming campaign, others are pondering whether it's perhaps a cause for concern, particularly when placed against the backdrop of a slightly uneasy set of financial results.

The reality is a little more menial. Indeed, Swansea are by no means the only club in this position, particularly in the glorified casino that is the Championship.

"It's not unusual," says football finance guru Kieran Maguire. "There's other clubs, including those in the Championship, that do similar. Preston's owners have effectively given the club £1m a month via a share issue.

"It's an acknowledgement that if you want to go and play in the Championship playground it's a very expensive exercise to go through. The average losses are £400k a week. How do you circumvent that? One of the ways to do that is to issue shares. That's what we've seen here, with Swansea.

"It's better than borrowing money because if you issue shares, you don't have to pay them back. It's the owners putting money into the club to effectively keep the lights on. That sounds very dramatic. But it's not. Every club in the Championship is in a very similar position.

"Swansea were actually mid-table in terms of losses last season. Their losses were half that of Burnley and Sheffield United. Norwich lost close to £30m. Birmingham lost more, so did Bristol City, Blackburn and QPR. So Swansea are about eighth or ninth in the list of losses."

Financial losses will always carry the weight needed to generate a concerning headline, and many will argue that just because other clubs in the division are facing similar challenges doesn't mean the reality of Swansea's balance sheet can just be brushed off.

But for now, Maguire argues, there's little reason to worry.

"Unless the owners decide to do a Mel Morris at Derby and they get bored, or maybe realise that sticking £400k a week into the football club isn't a particularly good use of the children's inheritance.

"If the owners walk away, it then means the club doesn't have the resources to pay the bills on a month-by-month basis. That increases the risk of administration.

"Football clubs are trophy assets and provided the owner is getting some enjoyment out of it, in exactly the same way as they might a helicopter or a private island or a yacht, and we are talking about high-net worth individuals, then it's fine.

"But the owners are the biggest assets because they fund the losses, but they're the biggest risks because if their circumstances or attitudes change. Then the club is in a precarious position."

Given the club has seemingly ruled out any further issuing of new shares for the rest of the year, it appears there's some confidence that there will be enough cash to see them through for the first half of the season, although there's nothing stopping them from ploughing more in should they so wish.

"Issuing new shares is limitless," Maguire says. "Roman Abramovich brought in £1.5bn of financial support for Chelsea. Brighton's owners put in half a billion.

"There's nothing from a legal point of view to stop clubs taking such an approach. It could be that the owners might choose to put in some of the money in the form of interest-free loans as opposed to shares. But that's effectively the same thing - money to keep the lights on."

As with the Swans' latest accounts, the main takeaway that emerges from all this is that the reliance on the American ownership has never been stronger.

"It is very much a dependency relationship as opposed to the owner happening to be very good at what they do," Maguire adds.

That's all very well. But the obvious next question becomes what Swansea's owners actually get out of all this.

"They get the excitement," Maguire says. "There's the potential in 12 months' time to be hosting Liverpool, or Man United or Man City at your stadium. There's that incentive that if they do get to the Premier League and keep it there, then the value of the club does shoot up and you could potentially make a big financial return.

"But it doesn't tend to be a motivation. It's like any other trophy purchase. You might buy a piece of art just to say that you now own that piece of art.

"At any one point in time there's only 20 people on the planet that can say they own a Premier League football club."

A top-flight return still feels a little way off, but the ownership have made no secret of their desire to take the club back to the promised land one day.

Whether they're in a position to give Luke Williams, or indeed any manager, the adequate tools to get there any time soon is perhaps another question.



Maybe this might answer a few questions
I'm not the greatest fan of our owners but the grief they get sometimes.
Running a Championship club is not cheap
I think people forget that even back in the PL our previous owners borrowed money every close season.
Back in the sellouts hay day... the club didn't have the expense of the Landore and Gairwood facilities. I am talking about our last time in the Championship.
Costs have increased. The introduction of the mininum wage in 2016 will have impacted...on stewarding and catering costs ...we have spent monies on compensation and payoffs to managers.Players wages and fees have increased whilst our income is in decline .
The crazy change to payment at the stadium along with those who will not put monies into the Yanks pockets don't help.in the meanwhile have
we seen the price of season tickets increase greatly?


I still maintain if the club was run professionally and money wasn't wasted. On top heavy management, paying compensation and then sacking managers, buying players clearly unsuitable then loaning out and selling at a loss. All major financial errors, the owners would not need to invest so much. Just because they are paying for their mistakes, they shouldn't be applauded.
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More shares issued on 09:56 - Jun 25 with 682 viewsvetchonian

More shares issued on 09:48 - Jun 25 by Whiterockin

I still maintain if the club was run professionally and money wasn't wasted. On top heavy management, paying compensation and then sacking managers, buying players clearly unsuitable then loaning out and selling at a loss. All major financial errors, the owners would not need to invest so much. Just because they are paying for their mistakes, they shouldn't be applauded.


In fairness since HJ left Duff is the only manager to he sacked.
I agree they have made mistakes but no more tha n other clubs....Birmingham for example...
I m no great fan of this ownership group....but as we enter our seventh season in the Championship after falling from the top table we are still "competing " and midtable and debt free unlike the last time we fell from the top table.

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More shares issued on 10:01 - Jun 25 with 673 viewsWhiterockin

More shares issued on 09:56 - Jun 25 by vetchonian

In fairness since HJ left Duff is the only manager to he sacked.
I agree they have made mistakes but no more tha n other clubs....Birmingham for example...
I m no great fan of this ownership group....but as we enter our seventh season in the Championship after falling from the top table we are still "competing " and midtable and debt free unlike the last time we fell from the top table.


I take your point, but last time we came down we didn't have the infrastructure and facilities to bounce back, plus parachute payments.
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More shares issued on 22:04 - Jun 25 with 593 viewsReslovenSwan1

The US ownership is a godsend. Without the US backing the club would be seriously asset stripped and in league 2 with the lime of Bradford City.

Since 2018 the academy has run dry. Nothing since Rodon James Roberts and McBurney. This should have given the club impetuous. Good results and bland players. Now the local boys seem to have drifted and Govea Azeem and Wilson can push their claims. Parker has to decide if he is committed to the cause. He has been well looked after and developed and owes the club something in return in my opinion.

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More shares issued on 22:39 - Jun 25 with 590 viewsvetchonian

More shares issued on 22:04 - Jun 25 by ReslovenSwan1

The US ownership is a godsend. Without the US backing the club would be seriously asset stripped and in league 2 with the lime of Bradford City.

Since 2018 the academy has run dry. Nothing since Rodon James Roberts and McBurney. This should have given the club impetuous. Good results and bland players. Now the local boys seem to have drifted and Govea Azeem and Wilson can push their claims. Parker has to decide if he is committed to the cause. He has been well looked after and developed and owes the club something in return in my opinion.


Who has owned the club since 2018?
So the great owners aren't getting the most from the academy
Shoot yourself in the foot again....or is is the Trusts fault no players are coming through

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More shares issued on 07:49 - Jun 26 with 541 viewsWhiterockin

More shares issued on 22:39 - Jun 25 by vetchonian

Who has owned the club since 2018?
So the great owners aren't getting the most from the academy
Shoot yourself in the foot again....or is is the Trusts fault no players are coming through


Plus on the subject of asset stripped, every player of value has been sold as quickly as possible. His post makes absolutely no sense in defending the owners.
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More shares issued on 09:36 - Jun 26 with 502 viewsReslovenSwan1

More shares issued on 07:49 - Jun 26 by Whiterockin

Plus on the subject of asset stripped, every player of value has been sold as quickly as possible. His post makes absolutely no sense in defending the owners.


I do not blame Levien for Cotterill Thomas Lloyd and Congreve not kicking on. It seems the locals either are not pressing on or prefered to play for Cardiff city.

Grimes stayed on Piroe would not sign a new deal and neither will Wood. Not even Roberts. The club does generally OK selling players. They are trying to find the formula Luton and Ipswich had. I wish them well. Why do anything else and promote new owners? Dreamers? It could be a very long wait with £1.5m monthly losses.

Wise sage since Toshack era

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More shares issued on 09:57 - Jun 26 with 490 viewsReslovenSwan1

More shares issued on 22:39 - Jun 25 by vetchonian

Who has owned the club since 2018?
So the great owners aren't getting the most from the academy
Shoot yourself in the foot again....or is is the Trusts fault no players are coming through


The Trust have made themselves irrelevant due to the failure to sell share at the Premier League and not researching investment options. These options must exist.
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More shares issued on 20:40 - Jun 26 with 392 viewsQJumpingJack

Why do the Trust always announce the shares update and not the club? Why wouldn't the club confirm it on the official site?
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More shares issued on 20:48 - Jun 26 with 390 viewsWhiterockin

More shares issued on 20:40 - Jun 26 by QJumpingJack

Why do the Trust always announce the shares update and not the club? Why wouldn't the club confirm it on the official site?


The club list the update on the club website to comply with regulations, basically because they have too. But draw as little attention as possible, no mention in the latest news. What are they trying to hide.
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More shares issued on 17:22 - Jun 27 with 317 viewsReslovenSwan1

More shares issued on 20:48 - Jun 26 by Whiterockin

The club list the update on the club website to comply with regulations, basically because they have too. But draw as little attention as possible, no mention in the latest news. What are they trying to hide.


Your post does not make sense.

Why would investors into the club want to hide the fact that they have invested? Investment in my book is a good thing. "Lack of investment" is usually seen as not so good.

The fans were demanding investment, demanding US faces at the ground, demanded an improved recruitment structure. It has all occurred.

The latest gripe is full disclosure of all the owners. The fans have no use for this. The fans have their own owners who have been truly useless over the last 10 years. The club is now stuck with this Welsh committee.

Wise sage since Toshack era

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More shares issued on 17:30 - Jun 27 with 298 viewsWhiterockin

More shares issued on 17:22 - Jun 27 by ReslovenSwan1

Your post does not make sense.

Why would investors into the club want to hide the fact that they have invested? Investment in my book is a good thing. "Lack of investment" is usually seen as not so good.

The fans were demanding investment, demanding US faces at the ground, demanded an improved recruitment structure. It has all occurred.

The latest gripe is full disclosure of all the owners. The fans have no use for this. The fans have their own owners who have been truly useless over the last 10 years. The club is now stuck with this Welsh committee.


"Why would investors into the club want to hide the fact that they have invested?

Exactly the point, why?

They never announce it in a statement, why? As well as the trust statement I get a email from Companies House updating me.
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More shares issued on 17:34 - Jun 27 with 294 viewsmax936

More shares issued on 17:30 - Jun 27 by Whiterockin

"Why would investors into the club want to hide the fact that they have invested?

Exactly the point, why?

They never announce it in a statement, why? As well as the trust statement I get a email from Companies House updating me.


Wasting your time Whitey, you just adding meat to the bone for the troll to chew on

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More shares issued on 17:40 - Jun 27 with 289 viewsWhiterockin

More shares issued on 17:34 - Jun 27 by max936

Wasting your time Whitey, you just adding meat to the bone for the troll to chew on


It passes half an hour sitting in the sun and it amuses me. When I'm bored with him I just ignore.
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More shares issued on 18:32 - Jun 27 with 246 viewsReslovenSwan1

More shares issued on 17:30 - Jun 27 by Whiterockin

"Why would investors into the club want to hide the fact that they have invested?

Exactly the point, why?

They never announce it in a statement, why? As well as the trust statement I get a email from Companies House updating me.


Why? Do you have theories? If so give them. It will force you to think rather than engage in forum bitching with your buddie.

It could be that the Swansea media team did not think it was of interest to the fans and nothing to do with the owners. Judging by Swans TV they have dumbed down massively serving us Anthony O'Connell on the 'easy oasy' and Wyndham who is not overburdened with research or insight. They consider Swans fans have no interest in opposition player's names for example. Both should be sacked. AOC "good stop by the keeper".

Another way out theory is that they wish to downplay investments so as not to cause concerns for future buyers. Rhondda sees investment as a precursor to a sale. I do not put much stock in this but at least Rhondda speculates.

Perhaps the owners do not want to antagonise the fans who were hell bent on sueing them upto a couple of years ago. The Trust is being diluted. This is a good thing not a bad thing as they offer very little in my eyes and only ever invested a small sum. The club instead have done a press release to the BBC and others.

Perhaps the owners do not care about the fans as they are as owners are 'passengers' happy to be diluted to 5% when they can really put their feet up. Conversely they respect the Trust and want them to inform the fans first and directly to give them added kudos and thanks for cooperating. (take you pick).

What other reasons?. Hmmm.

Perhaps they forgot perhaps and only did what was regulatory required.

There are other way out theories and guy called Phil used to do on SCFC2. Pretty laughable stuff but he had a lot of gullible followers for a good few months.

Wise sage since Toshack era

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More shares issued on 18:40 - Jun 27 with 236 viewsWhiterockin

More shares issued on 18:32 - Jun 27 by ReslovenSwan1

Why? Do you have theories? If so give them. It will force you to think rather than engage in forum bitching with your buddie.

It could be that the Swansea media team did not think it was of interest to the fans and nothing to do with the owners. Judging by Swans TV they have dumbed down massively serving us Anthony O'Connell on the 'easy oasy' and Wyndham who is not overburdened with research or insight. They consider Swans fans have no interest in opposition player's names for example. Both should be sacked. AOC "good stop by the keeper".

Another way out theory is that they wish to downplay investments so as not to cause concerns for future buyers. Rhondda sees investment as a precursor to a sale. I do not put much stock in this but at least Rhondda speculates.

Perhaps the owners do not want to antagonise the fans who were hell bent on sueing them upto a couple of years ago. The Trust is being diluted. This is a good thing not a bad thing as they offer very little in my eyes and only ever invested a small sum. The club instead have done a press release to the BBC and others.

Perhaps the owners do not care about the fans as they are as owners are 'passengers' happy to be diluted to 5% when they can really put their feet up. Conversely they respect the Trust and want them to inform the fans first and directly to give them added kudos and thanks for cooperating. (take you pick).

What other reasons?. Hmmm.

Perhaps they forgot perhaps and only did what was regulatory required.

There are other way out theories and guy called Phil used to do on SCFC2. Pretty laughable stuff but he had a lot of gullible followers for a good few months.


A lot of perhaps and no factual explanation.
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More shares issued on 19:50 - Jun 27 with 204 viewsmax936

More shares issued on 18:40 - Jun 27 by Whiterockin

A lot of perhaps and no factual explanation.


A guy called Phil what a disgusting piece of work that troll really is, Phil has done more work for SCFC than that troll could ever do apart for sucking up to certain people, just comes on here trolling and antagonizing, there is a word I could use...
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