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Hodgson's England 10:34 - Mar 26 with 27226 views

Honestly don't think i can be bothered to watch tonight.

3 months away, Hodgson should start playing as close to a first team as possible now. Time for mass scale experimentation passed a fair while ago IMO.

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Hodgson's England on 22:18 - Mar 29 with 2134 views

Lblock

Whilst Woy is your atypical England Manager and his teams invariably as grey as him and his bosses suits I do think the issues are a bit deeper.

We have a few decent young un's but still a woefully unbalanced squad
The press will see to it that the kids like Ali end up thinking they are the dogs danglies and revert to Prem swagger type and to hell with actually working hard
If not their clubs will do all they can to keep them away from the international stage

Then there's Wembley and Tuesday / Friday fixtures.
You'd be hard pressed to find a stadium as "full" as Wembley that can replicate or be worse than the Emirates on matchday. Okay you've got rid of the "undesireables" and replaced them with Kev, Sally and their 2.4 kids plus some "culturally reflective" demograph but you've created a vacuum, a totally uninspiring void where players at the pinnacle can easily hide rather than a raucous cauldren. No spirit on or off the pitch

There's still a dearth of world class players in this country who are English. Exhibit A for the prosecution "I give you James Fckin Milner as Captain"
(Have I mentioned I'm not James Fckin Milners biggest fan before???)

Anyway, roll on the silly flags from car windows, a face painted fan on every 12 pack of Carsleberg, dig out your Baddiel & Skinner CD and await the super soaraway Sun's cut out and eep Wayne Rooney face mask --- here comes another short summer tournament and the further ruination of another generation. I'll still be supporting but certainly not in my washed out looking grey / blue skin tight lycra replica shirt.

We could win this.... Nurse!

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Hodgson's England on 22:23 - Mar 29 with 2118 views

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Hodgson's England on 22:10 - Mar 29 by BazzaInTheLoft
I thought we were hard done by as Roy said. A draw at least would have been fair. Anyway, don't let me disturb your wallowing.

That was a pen.
The one early in 1st half was a pen and Rose got lucky there
The challenge on Jagelkia was very firm but he was outstrengthed -- even though usually that would be a free kick -- Mr Ward in his marbot trainers, whistle on a bootlace and Geography homework in back pocket must've drummed into these superstars on the school pitch "Play tet whistle lad, play tet whistle" No?

A draw wouldn't of disgraced either team
Im not even worried we lost
I am however growing further away from the England set up more and more each game.
Will I use my ticket on 20th June??? Mmmmmmmmmm

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Hodgson's England on 22:26 - Mar 29 with 2110 views

bosh67

Never really got going tonight. A bit slow through midfield but the main things from the two games for me are...
1. Our defence is slack and needs tightening up
2. We're not that bad if we concentrate on attacking at pace

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Hodgson's England on 22:44 - Mar 29 with 2065 views

daveB

In fairness to Hodgson he does give players a chance and has kind of gone away from the certain starters routine that we've had under the last few managers with Terry, Lampard, gerrard, Beckham, rooney etc all starting no matter how their form was or if they suited the shape of the team. Hodgson has moved away from that and I think only really Hart and possibly Smalling and Dier look certain starters to me this summer. He has a lot of different options for the rest of the team and does seem to use them as well.

tonight was more of a b team than Saturdays and thought we played ok in patches, draw would have been fair. I thought Drinkwater had a good game after a poor start and the Dutch number 6 who marked Barkley out of the game was good for them. Probably does England a favour to lose one after Saturday so expectations are lowered.

I think England will do ok this summer, probably our best squad of players for 10 years although I can't see us making a great team out of what we have, too many of the better players all in the same position but think we'll get to the quarters possibly the semi final.

On Rooney though I think Hodgson should leave him out of the 1st game, it's a tough call but if we win that first game without him pressure is off and he can carry on without him using him as a sub, if we lose then he can come back in.

Problem with Rooney is if he starts first game and doesn't play well he'll have to stay in as it's a bigger story to drop him after one game as in the last few tournaments and Hodgson will feel he has to back him.

Hodgson's England on 23:16 - Mar 29 with 2040 views

Dorse

Are we $hit again then? Too good to last...

I'd love to see Roy (proverbially, obviously) bare his buttocks to the world and use the team / formation / lucky dip that he thinks would still be a good shout in 2020. What has he got to lose? We haven't won anything since before I was born - there's hardly a legacy FFS. Have some fun with it!

'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'

Hodgson's England on 23:51 - Mar 29 with 2005 views

BazzaInTheLoft

Hodgson's England on 23:16 - Mar 29 by Dorse
Are we $hit again then? Too good to last... I'd love to see Roy (proverbially, obviously) bare his buttocks to the world and use the team / formation / lucky dip that he thinks would still be a good shout in 2020. What has he got to lose? We haven't won anything since before I was born - there's hardly a legacy FFS. Have some fun with it!

Basically a four year pre season.

Hodgson's England on 00:22 - Mar 30 with 1976 views

1BobbyHazell

We were comfortably the best team. Very unlucky pen and a definite foul so no genuine mistakes from the defence. Controlled the game whilst struggling to break down a very well drilled and disciplined Dutch defense. Vardy and Sturridge don't make a great pairing in a game where they receive the ball with their back to goal most of the time, they won't be the front 2 again.

Drinkwater looked calm and positive in possession, hope he gets in the squad. Fraser Forster was good too.

Our goal was brilliant, fantastic composure and decision making by Lallana and Walker.

Stones is still so young, his defending will improve. His ability to bring the ball out will be priceless. A lot of class , nobody's perfect.

8 changes from Saturday, another good test on the learning curve. I'm enjoying the ride with absolutely no expectation of any success.

Hodgson's England on 01:06 - Mar 30 with 1953 views

BlackCrowe

Hodgson's England on 22:18 - Mar 29 by Lblock

You forgot about England's no.1 fans, the brass band. The appallingness that can only be equalled by FreeSeatPete and his drum for utter embarrassment.

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Hodgson's England on 09:31 - Mar 30 with 1855 views

daveB

Hodgson's England on 23:16 - Mar 29 by Dorse
Are we $hit again then? Too good to last... I'd love to see Roy (proverbially, obviously) bare his buttocks to the world and use the team / formation / lucky dip that he thinks would still be a good shout in 2020. What has he got to lose? We haven't won anything since before I was born - there's hardly a legacy FFS. Have some fun with it!

We can't keep writing off tournaments. We've got a squad who can beat anyone if they click and play well. They probably won't win it but should be aiming to get to the semis at least. Countries like Poland are expecting the semi finals so not sure why we should write it off

Hodgson's England on 10:15 - Mar 30 with 1828 views

paulparker

Hodgson's England on 09:31 - Mar 30 by daveB
We can't keep writing off tournaments. We've got a squad who can beat anyone if they click and play well. They probably won't win it but should be aiming to get to the semis at least. Countries like Poland are expecting the semi finals so not sure why we should write it off

totally agree with that Dave B , we have the squad, actually the best squad in about 12 years , but as long as we have dinosaur roy in charge we wont go anywhere
last night summed up the 4 years in charge of having him as manager
bar the Germany game the other night and possibly the Swiss & scotland away games, every other England match has been boring , predictable , tripe
its like watching the Harry redknapp promotion team

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

Hodgson's England on 11:04 - Mar 30 with 1805 views

stevec

They talk about Stones like he's some sort of Beckenbaeur, all he does is slow the game down to snails pace.

Centre backs are for putting the ball, the player, anything that gets in the way, into the stands. On that understanding, midfielders get the message that the only way is forward instead of taking the easy way out and back passing non stop.

Hodgson's England on 11:06 - Mar 30 with 1807 views

adhoc_qpr

Anyone else think the Germany performance was not really down to Roy but more likely because the team was stocked with Spurs, Soton and Liverpool (ex Soton) players who had been well drilled to play that way by Pochettino?

The high press and quick passing worked with those players, but didn't work at all when you have the likes of Milner, Barkley, Sturridge etc in basically a 4-4-2.

A bit uncharitable maybe, but i suspect some truth!

Hodgson's England on 11:42 - Mar 30 with 1768 views

StraightR

Hodgson's England on 01:06 - Mar 30 by BlackCrowe
You forgot about England's no.1 fans, the brass band. The appallingness that can only be equalled by FreeSeatPete and his drum for utter embarrassment.

This, absolutely. I was sitting a few rows below them last night.

That aside, I quite enjoyed the game. I have no expectations for the tournament but it is good to see that the national side has some promising young players. I just hope Hodgson gives some of them a chance when the time comes.

Hodgson's England on 11:47 - Mar 30 with 1758 views

daveB

Hodgson's England on 11:06 - Mar 30 by adhoc_qpr

bit unfair, he has given those young players a chance and several times as well. We've had similar performances by England over the last 2 years, even in the World Cup we were fantastic for the opening 20 minutes with fast attacking football before it all went tits up.

He had to change it last night to try out different players and a different system.

Hodgson's England on 11:54 - Mar 30 with 1751 views

paulparker

Hodgson's England on 11:47 - Mar 30 by daveB
bit unfair, he has given those young players a chance and several times as well. We've had similar performances by England over the last 2 years, even in the World Cup we were fantastic for the opening 20 minutes with fast attacking football before it all went tits up. He had to change it last night to try out different players and a different system.

why change it though ? why put Milner on the Wing in a 4-4 2 and Lallana on the other
its dinosaur football, he has had a p1ss easy group so could experiment but when push comes to shove he is found wanting, the game has passed him by and he will revert back to negative football so we play for draws rather than win
can you actually describe our style of play under him ?
and im sorry Dave but giving a bloke another tournament because we had a good 20 minutes in one game is madness what about the other games in that tournament , we were the worst side at that World cup
I honestly think we wont get out of our group at the Euros , then what will be the excuse

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

Hodgson's England on 11:56 - Mar 30 with 1749 views

adhoc_qpr

Hodgson's England on 11:47 - Mar 30 by daveB
bit unfair, he has given those young players a chance and several times as well. We've had similar performances by England over the last 2 years, even in the World Cup we were fantastic for the opening 20 minutes with fast attacking football before it all went tits up. He had to change it last night to try out different players and a different system.

I think last night should have given Roy some clear ideas about what not to do at least!

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't dreadful and we certainly didn't deserve to lose - but it was back to the kind of stodgy performance with the odd bit of class that is good enough to beat Lithuania and Estonia etc comfortably, but will get found out badly by anyone half decent.

Hodgson's England on 13:15 - Mar 30 with 1697 views

PunteR

Maybe my alcohol induced ramblings earlier on this thread were wide of the mark about the game but I cant get excited about these friendly's. They're meaningless really.
I don't like the constant changing of players leading up to the tournaments. Bit like QPR,where we never had a style of play and never knew our best team. England always seems a work in progress leading up to the tournament and just bottle it during it.
I didn't see the game but sounds like the usual round plugs in square holes.
If we were so good against Germany we should have stuck with that team for the next game.Build some momentum. But Roy probably had to "rest" players or give players another England cap because their agent is demanding it.
I honestly cant be bothered with England at the moment but will jump on the bandwagon if we win our first game of the tournament,get all my hopes up again until the inevitable penalty shootout where I have to watch James Milner hit row z and millionaire footballers crying.

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Hodgson's England on 13:27 - Mar 30 with 1678 views

daveB

Hodgson's England on 11:54 - Mar 30 by paulparker

Well if we don't get out of the group I am sure he will go but I think over the 4 years we're now a better team than we were before he was manager so overall has done a decent job. I don;t see a better English candidate as I wouldn't want to go down the foreign route again.

Last night he tried the diamond midfield again, same as he did in a few qualifiers and was basically done so Vardy and Strurridge could both start. It's a system that has worked well for him before and was worth trying.

Hodgson's England on 13:42 - Mar 30 with 1655 views

paulparker

Hodgson's England on 13:27 - Mar 30 by daveB

we have better players than 4 years ago but we are still negative , boring and lack any real cohesion as a team under Hodgson, we are the WBA of International football, boring & horrible to watch but gets the odd good result
id say Eddie Howe would be a better option than Hodgson , hell why not offer the money and get Pocchertino or Koeman , young managers with an idea of the modern game who players want to play for , it might even get the crowd going
last night was p1ss poor really and that's been the story under Roy

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

Hodgson's England on 13:57 - Mar 30 with 2019 views

TheBlob

Hodgson's England on 13:42 - Mar 30 by paulparker

Dream on Paul,the manager's position is just another Civil Service appointment,projecting England's "image" abroad.They tried a popular choice in TV and never liked the experience.Nope it's pecking order politics and you'll get another suited and tie-ed lame-o.

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Hodgson's England on 14:16 - Mar 30 with 1995 views

paulparker

Hodgson's England on 13:57 - Mar 30 by TheBlob
Dream on Paul,the manager's position is just another Civil Service appointment,projecting England's "image" abroad.They tried a popular choice in TV and never liked the experience.Nope it's pecking order politics and you'll get another suited and tie-ed lame-o. [Post edited 30 Mar 2016 13:57]

Your right

Gareth Southgate it is then

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

Hodgson's England on 14:22 - Mar 30 with 1992 views

Toast_R

I think we're all jumping the gun a bit here.

The manager will have learnt lots from those two games good and bad in equal measure.
Rightly or wrongly, I doubt Hodgson would have been allowed to use the same team for two games in succession when those players are back for club duty at the weekend with both Tottenham and Leicester going for the title. That's the way it works nowadays.

It's all about picking his squad of 23 in May and I reckon he'd have gained a lot from the exercise about who not to take.

Hodgson's England on 14:45 - Mar 30 with 1973 views

simmo

There is some real over exaggeration on this thread.... We played 2 games in 4 days, with 2 different systems to start with and 2 separate groups of players. The Germany game was likely close to the first 11 and way we would want to play, the Holland game was to see who else could do what jobs in the squad using a different formation and approach. As such, I think we learned a lot.

- Danny Rose can be our LB
-Drinkwater be relied upon at the base of midfield to cover or be an alternative for Dier
-Walcott can be introduced and stretch play but struggled as part of a front 2
-If we want to amend our play to control possession, we're capable of doing that. (You'll find that for the Holland game we not only played to maximise keeping the ball, but also Forster played the ball out to feet constantly, obviously under instruction to do so and try something different. It got us in trouble a times, but rather learn our limitations now than in France!)
-Can the players switch systems if needs be and who suits what positions in that system, i.e 4-3-3 against Germany and if we want 2 strikers playing centrally, 4-1-2-1-2 (narrow diamond). It turns out that some people did well in this system (Drinkwater, Lallana, Vardy, Barkley) and some struggled with it (Milner, Sturridge, Walcott).

People complain about Woy picking Milner - well this was the first time he's featured at all for the last 5 games for England, so he obviously doesn't see him as first choice but there's nothing wrong having a look in this scenario to see what he can provide.

This is EXACTLY what these friendlies are for, whats the point in setting up the same way with the same players because you already know that works? It's not what these games are for, they are for experimenting, working out who can do what and how flexible you can be, then taking that learned information into a tournament.

I'm fine with what I have seen so far, albeit the game last night was pretty boring at times! But then sometimes, we might need to be boring....

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Hodgson's England on 14:56 - Mar 30 with 1968 views

rrrspricey

Hodgson's England on 11:04 - Mar 30 by stevec
They talk about Stones like he's some sort of Beckenbaeur, all he does is slow the game down to snails pace. Centre backs are for putting the ball, the player, anything that gets in the way, into the stands. On that understanding, midfielders get the message that the only way is forward instead of taking the easy way out and back passing non stop.

That’s a progressive way of defining a modern day CB’s role

Personally think it's quite refreshing to see an English CB willing to bring the ball out, take people on and look for something other than a sideways pass.

Yes he slipped trying to play the ball out when maybe he should passed back to the keeper but he’s young and will make the odd mistake. However, he made the first goal with a pinpoint pass to Milner and nearly made another when he set up Walcott who, yet again, should have done better and I for one would rather have that than any variable of the “putting the ball, the player, anything that gets in the way, into the stand” type

Hodgson's England on 15:02 - Mar 30 with 1956 views

paulparker

Hodgson's England on 14:45 - Mar 30 by simmo

Danny Rose never has or ever will be a LB never mind an international one
why no cresswell ?
Agreed With Drinkwater he has to go , but I don't see it not if Wiltshire is "fit"
Walcott needs to go, he can play up top or on the right, but I see him being dropped for the lazy sturridge who shouldn't be near an England squad until he starts performing and proving his fitness

sorry Simmo but Boring doesn't win you football matches in todays football, maybe 5 or 10 years ago it could but not now, its about breaking with speed with players who can get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes (that's why sturridge & Wiltshire should not go ) its about taking your chances and getting the opposition on the back foot

the only thing we learnt last night is that Hodgson is 15 years behind in his tactics and
methods , playing milner and lallana on the wings was utter madness ,
and I reckon he will actually start with Milner against Russia as he would rather draw that game than go all out and try to win

And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles Brian Moore

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