| Match thread: Wigan home 18:46 - Apr 10 with 19021 views | 442Dale |
SUBS: Kgosi Ntlhe, Scott Wiseman, Joe Thompson, Steven Davies, Ryan Delaney, Brendan Moore, Alex Dobre
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 00:14 - Apr 11 with 3376 views | Sandyman |
We could/should have been in front by half time if the chances had been taken but , hey ho, they weren't. Second half we were spanked a la 2nd half v Spurs at Wembley. Exemplary finishing by Wigan. Sounds like some proper stupidity from a minority in Pearl St tonight. All well behaved in the Sandy  
As for the subs, can't understand why Camps wasn't taken off and Rathbone was. Ollie was putting a shift in as per usual in recent games, Camps wasn't as per usual in recent games. He looks lethargic. Needs resting??
Twitchyarse month ahead.
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 00:14 - Apr 11 with 3368 views | dingdangblue |
Just seen Oldham play Walsall tomorrow night. An Oldham win will put us deep in it again after our recent hard work to get within a point of safety. With our away game at Peterborough and Latics home game v Gills we could feasibly be 8 points behind them come next Tuesday - hopefully not! Just seen Wimbledon's winner v Charlton tonight also - massive stroke of fortune with the Charlton centre back slipping over whilst in possession allowing Taylor to run through and score. |  |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 00:24 - Apr 11 with 3339 views | Sandyman |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 00:14 - Apr 11 by dingdangblue |
Just seen Oldham play Walsall tomorrow night. An Oldham win will put us deep in it again after our recent hard work to get within a point of safety. With our away game at Peterborough and Latics home game v Gills we could feasibly be 8 points behind them come next Tuesday - hopefully not! Just seen Wimbledon's winner v Charlton tonight also - massive stroke of fortune with the Charlton centre back slipping over whilst in possession allowing Taylor to run through and score. |
Fair shout. Has our poor early season form left us too much to do with 6 games left? Maybe it has on paper but who knows. 9 wins out of 40 is poor, but 3 out of the next 6 might just save us....?? We'll know in a month. BIFFO's game is very important now.
UP THE DALE
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 07:54 - Apr 11 with 3061 views | EllDale |
Being positive we can beat Oldham and Bradford and are capable of getting something at Oxford.
Walsall aside though, what is it about midweek games? |  | | |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 08:15 - Apr 11 with 3011 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 00:14 - Apr 11 by dingdangblue |
Just seen Oldham play Walsall tomorrow night. An Oldham win will put us deep in it again after our recent hard work to get within a point of safety. With our away game at Peterborough and Latics home game v Gills we could feasibly be 8 points behind them come next Tuesday - hopefully not! Just seen Wimbledon's winner v Charlton tonight also - massive stroke of fortune with the Charlton centre back slipping over whilst in possession allowing Taylor to run through and score. |
Reading your post DDB, I think that's part of the problem. Hard work. We have worked really hard at times this season, but just haven't had the rewards for it. Thinking back to that first half last night we should have gone in at worst level and could have gone in ahead on chances alone. Wigan hunted in packs though and often seemed to have a man over or made a run to create their own space. We've lacked that cutting edge in too many games and spurned too many chances. Whatever league we end up in next year, this (converting the chances we create) needs to be the no. 1 area for improvement. |  |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 08:33 - Apr 11 with 2950 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 08:15 - Apr 11 by DaleiLama |
Reading your post DDB, I think that's part of the problem. Hard work. We have worked really hard at times this season, but just haven't had the rewards for it. Thinking back to that first half last night we should have gone in at worst level and could have gone in ahead on chances alone. Wigan hunted in packs though and often seemed to have a man over or made a run to create their own space. We've lacked that cutting edge in too many games and spurned too many chances. Whatever league we end up in next year, this (converting the chances we create) needs to be the no. 1 area for improvement. |
Yes, Done and Andrew basically had free headers at 2 corners. To not even make the keeper save is shocking. You just can't pass up opportunities like that against Wigan and get anything from the game. There was another break we had where a better ball to Camps from Inman and it's a goal - poor pass and the chance was gone. Wigan have a similar chance early in the 2nd half and Vaughan makes it 2-0 game over. I'm not saying we would have beaten Wigan because they are the best in this division - but we needed to take every single chance last night. Peterborough then 3 home games to save our season - it's still in our hands. | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 08:57 - Apr 11 with 2881 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 08:33 - Apr 11 by dingdangblue |
Yes, Done and Andrew basically had free headers at 2 corners. To not even make the keeper save is shocking. You just can't pass up opportunities like that against Wigan and get anything from the game. There was another break we had where a better ball to Camps from Inman and it's a goal - poor pass and the chance was gone. Wigan have a similar chance early in the 2nd half and Vaughan makes it 2-0 game over. I'm not saying we would have beaten Wigan because they are the best in this division - but we needed to take every single chance last night. Peterborough then 3 home games to save our season - it's still in our hands. |
Remember that pass to Camps - hit behind him instead of in stride. Remarkably he still made space to get a shot off but skewed it wide, by the looks of it as a result of having to twist to make contact | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 09:40 - Apr 11 with 2780 views | electricblue |
Looking at the fixture list and then the depressing league table and then to find that Dale now need 3pts points to get out of the bottom 4..
All.that tremendous work in the past few weeks of finally getting into a position to get within reach now seem like its being slowly snatched away...
Dale have now got to rely upon teams above to lose and Dale have to win nothing less.
Last night Dale played the best team by far in league 1 and got nothing from it but is it becoming that certain games are now a game to much when a rest is required..... |  |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 10:38 - Apr 11 with 2654 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 09:40 - Apr 11 by electricblue |
Looking at the fixture list and then the depressing league table and then to find that Dale now need 3pts points to get out of the bottom 4..
All.that tremendous work in the past few weeks of finally getting into a position to get within reach now seem like its being slowly snatched away...
Dale have now got to rely upon teams above to lose and Dale have to win nothing less.
Last night Dale played the best team by far in league 1 and got nothing from it but is it becoming that certain games are now a game to much when a rest is required..... |
Mr Hill says last night's game was a "Free Hit"......Really? | | | |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 10:43 - Apr 11 with 2642 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 09:40 - Apr 11 by electricblue |
Looking at the fixture list and then the depressing league table and then to find that Dale now need 3pts points to get out of the bottom 4..
All.that tremendous work in the past few weeks of finally getting into a position to get within reach now seem like its being slowly snatched away...
Dale have now got to rely upon teams above to lose and Dale have to win nothing less.
Last night Dale played the best team by far in league 1 and got nothing from it but is it becoming that certain games are now a game to much when a rest is required..... |
Don't give up hope just yet - back to back wins in recent weeks got us into this position where we have a chance. There's no reason why we can't get back to back wins again in these next few sets of games. The spirit looked good last night - certainly in the 1st half we gave Wigan problems - in the bottom half of the table we must be one of the in form teams and I'm sure the players still believe we can do this.
An Oldham win tonight apparently confirms bury's relegation. A draw and they are down based on their horrific goals difference. At least that is one place gone. [Post edited 11 Apr 2018 10:48]
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:05 - Apr 11 with 2601 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 10:38 - Apr 11 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Mr Hill says last night's game was a "Free Hit"......Really? |
Predictable. As was the mention of how much they spend. At least he’s rightly pointed how we should have got the three points on Saturday, that was a much bigger result than last night.
Mistakes have been made on and off the pitch since those two excellent wins, we need to get back to a solid structure that was working well over a sustained period of time. Going to Peterborough with only two central defenders can’t be considered the best option.
Lillis
Rafferty, McGahey, McNulty, Delaney, Done/Hart
Rathbone, Camps, Ntlhe/Kitching if fit/Done/Knott
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:20 - Apr 11 with 2558 views | D_Alien |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:05 - Apr 11 by 442Dale |
Predictable. As was the mention of how much they spend. At least he’s rightly pointed how we should have got the three points on Saturday, that was a much bigger result than last night.
Mistakes have been made on and off the pitch since those two excellent wins, we need to get back to a solid structure that was working well over a sustained period of time. Going to Peterborough with only two central defenders can’t be considered the best option.
Lillis
Rafferty, McGahey, McNulty, Delaney, Done/Hart
Rathbone, Camps, Ntlhe/Kitching if fit/Done/Knott
Henderson, Andrew |
Peterborough need the win, so reverting to 352 and hitting them on the break is the only option that'd make any sense
Raff had a mare last night, not so much defensively but his crossing was worse than abysmal. Hoofing that free kick into the Sandy late on was disgraceful, not that it'd have changed the result
Overall, from being 12pts behind I'd have taken our current position at this stage so even with the last two disappointing results we're more than capable of surviving. The first step must be reverting to 352 and I'd suggest sticking with it, with the option to change later in games if necessary |  |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:23 - Apr 11 with 2544 views | JimmyRustler |
If we play a back 4 on Saturday and Jim is in it I'll be home by 6 o'clock |  | | |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:28 - Apr 11 with 2509 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:20 - Apr 11 by D_Alien |
Peterborough need the win, so reverting to 352 and hitting them on the break is the only option that'd make any sense
Raff had a mare last night, not so much defensively but his crossing was worse than abysmal. Hoofing that free kick into the Sandy late on was disgraceful, not that it'd have changed the result
Overall, from being 12pts behind I'd have taken our current position at this stage so even with the last two disappointing results we're more than capable of surviving. The first step must be reverting to 352 and I'd suggest sticking with it, with the option to change later in games if necessary |
Despite how good we were going forward on Saturday, and we really were to the point it made for a great game to watch, moving away from what has worked and, crucially, what the players have become settled playing has not worked at all. Changing it in games will always be an option, but with hindsight it wasn’t a good decision to go back to four at the back from the start of matches. | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:29 - Apr 11 with 2499 views | DaleFan7 |
We played relatively well in the first half but 1 shot on target, that being the penalty, in 90 minutes just isn't good enough to beat anyone never mind Wigan. We had chances in the first half but they also had more, they hit the post and a great save from Lillis kept it at 1-0. Have as much play as you want, if you can't convert chances then your play is virtually irrelevant. Andrew showed last night why he doesn't score a lot, missing free headers like that.
Defensively Done and McNulty had their worst games in a while they were both awful all night. As people have mentioned since moving from the back 3 we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games. Hopefully we will go back to the 2 at the back with wing backs on Saturday.
It is no longer in our hands and we need help from other teams. All we can do now is hope we can pick ourselves up and put ourselves into the best position we can to stay up and hope Wimbledon and/or Oldham don't hit some form.
The game next Tuesday is massive. If Oldham beat us I think that's them safe. If we can win we drag them right into the middle of it again. | | | |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 12:17 - Apr 11 with 2359 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 11:29 - Apr 11 by DaleFan7 |
We played relatively well in the first half but 1 shot on target, that being the penalty, in 90 minutes just isn't good enough to beat anyone never mind Wigan. We had chances in the first half but they also had more, they hit the post and a great save from Lillis kept it at 1-0. Have as much play as you want, if you can't convert chances then your play is virtually irrelevant. Andrew showed last night why he doesn't score a lot, missing free headers like that.
Defensively Done and McNulty had their worst games in a while they were both awful all night. As people have mentioned since moving from the back 3 we've conceded 7 goals in 2 games. Hopefully we will go back to the 2 at the back with wing backs on Saturday.
It is no longer in our hands and we need help from other teams. All we can do now is hope we can pick ourselves up and put ourselves into the best position we can to stay up and hope Wimbledon and/or Oldham don't hit some form.
The game next Tuesday is massive. If Oldham beat us I think that's them safe. If we can win we drag them right into the middle of it again. |
The next game after Dale v Oldham is Wimbledon v Oldham. | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 13:08 - Apr 11 with 2209 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 10:43 - Apr 11 by dingdangblue |
Don't give up hope just yet - back to back wins in recent weeks got us into this position where we have a chance. There's no reason why we can't get back to back wins again in these next few sets of games. The spirit looked good last night - certainly in the 1st half we gave Wigan problems - in the bottom half of the table we must be one of the in form teams and I'm sure the players still believe we can do this.
An Oldham win tonight apparently confirms bury's relegation. A draw and they are down based on their horrific goals difference. At least that is one place gone. [Post edited 11 Apr 2018 10:48]
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Next few sets of games..... we have wasted our games in hand and now need 3 wins and a draw from 6 games. Oldham is a must win. I fear we have run out of steam |  |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 13:29 - Apr 11 with 2151 views | dingdangblue |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 13:08 - Apr 11 by rochdaleriddler |
Next few sets of games..... we have wasted our games in hand and now need 3 wins and a draw from 6 games. Oldham is a must win. I fear we have run out of steam |
We've not wasted our games in hand? We were 12 points adrift and now we aren't? We've still a game in hand on both Wimbledon and Oxford plus we have to play Oxford. Getting walloped by Wigan shouldn't mask our fantastic recovery so far. | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 13:37 - Apr 11 with 2132 views | boromat |
Can't decide what's better tonight a Walsall win or a draw. Thoughts? I'm thinking draw as not to put all our eggs in one basket as they say. | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 14:37 - Apr 11 with 2038 views | electricblue |
Surely a draw will benefit dale rather than 3pts going either way.... | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 14:44 - Apr 11 with 2014 views | 442Dale |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 13:29 - Apr 11 by dingdangblue |
We've not wasted our games in hand? We were 12 points adrift and now we aren't? We've still a game in hand on both Wimbledon and Oxford plus we have to play Oxford. Getting walloped by Wigan shouldn't mask our fantastic recovery so far. |
Points wise we have done well but it’s games like Wimbledon and Fleetwood that have cost us so far in terms of being even better off than we are now. Both were against sides we were aiming to overtake at the time, Fleetwood used it as a springboard and pulled well away. Still, I’d have taken this position ten games ago, said then we should be reasonably happy going into last five (four at home) needing 9/10 points. The missed opportunities in games and in choices made hopefully won’t cost us.
Oldham is pretty much ‘must win’. | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 15:06 - Apr 11 with 1973 views | frenzied |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 14:37 - Apr 11 by electricblue |
Surely a draw will benefit dale rather than 3pts going either way.... |
Quite agree mate..draw would be best.
Id have hoped for 3 points across the Pompey,Wigan and Peterbro games..1 so far anything on Sat would be great to launch us into the next few home games..i aint given up on us yet!!! | | | |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 15:22 - Apr 11 with 1937 views | DaleiLama |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 14:44 - Apr 11 by 442Dale |
Points wise we have done well but it’s games like Wimbledon and Fleetwood that have cost us so far in terms of being even better off than we are now. Both were against sides we were aiming to overtake at the time, Fleetwood used it as a springboard and pulled well away. Still, I’d have taken this position ten games ago, said then we should be reasonably happy going into last five (four at home) needing 9/10 points. The missed opportunities in games and in choices made hopefully won’t cost us.
Oldham is pretty much ‘must win’. |
As if a derby with Owdum wasn't spicy enough anyway, it could actually be the difference between L1 and L2 for the loser. Almost certainly for us and somewhere between probably and possibly for them. | |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 15:57 - Apr 11 with 1863 views | sweetcorn |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 21:45 - Apr 10 by 442Dale |
Fact: since we’ve stopped playing three central defenders we have conceded seven goals in two games. We’ve known all season that with the defenders we have, we don’t have two good enough to play together to ensure we get result |
Aye i see your point, cause 3 central defenders were serving us so well..
Wimbledon, MK Dons and Fleetwood were 3 horrible results whilst playing 3 at the back.
We could play whichever formation we so desire, the harsh reality is this squad isn’t good enough, anyone thinking otherwise is just in denial. |  |
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| Match thread: Wigan home on 16:16 - Apr 11 with 1812 views | Forever_and_a_Dale |
| Match thread: Wigan home on 15:57 - Apr 11 by sweetcorn |
Aye i see your point, cause 3 central defenders were serving us so well..
Wimbledon, MK Dons and Fleetwood were 3 horrible results whilst playing 3 at the back.
We could play whichever formation we so desire, the harsh reality is this squad isn’t good enough, anyone thinking otherwise is just in denial. |
If the league started from when we began using 3 at the back we would currently be in 10th position. So yes, it was serving us quite well. The harsh reality is we all know the squad capable of being in a much better position than we currently are but for a variety of reasons it hasn't worked out for us this year. | | | |
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