| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 16:52 - Nov 19 with 1545 views | Bobby_Fischer |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 16:48 - Nov 19 by E20Jack |
 What a way to make an entrance. I did not even know you existed. Glad a made an impression on you.
And yes, of course I am. |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 16:57 - Nov 19 with 1515 views | E20Jack |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 16:50 - Nov 19 by exiledclaseboy |
I’d imagine there would have been a number of rushed telephone calls and/or meetings today. They’re probably a bit busy. |
His tenure should be shorter than Micky Adams'. |  |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO on 17:02 - Nov 19 with 1491 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 16:57 - Nov 19 by E20Jack |
His tenure should be shorter than Micky Adams'. |
Well it has to be according to the Trust’s rules. No other way around it. |  |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:04 - Nov 19 with 1484 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 13:05 - Nov 19 by chadders |
Already pointed out the potential illegality of the vote to support the deal above Lisa.
"It also raises another important question — IF for example the decision to support the deal was taken by a Board that contained non Board members — the scrutineer should be made aware of this, as surely the vote would be null and void. Not least given the way the deal was driven by the Board, specifically the Chair, and the obvious effect the drive of the senior members would have on the junior Board members in their vote."
This urgently needs looking at
As far as I am concerned there is no decision, anyone who has served for 12 consecutive years is immediately no longer a member of the Board from that point.
They have no authority to sign NDAs and should not be included in further decision making. Immediate elections need to take place to fill all those current vacancies |
Sorry Chadders - hadn't seen that. |  | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:18 - Nov 19 with 1438 views | biggar |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 12:51 - Nov 19 by Uxbridge |
Well, yeah, this is awkward.
Must admit I didn't know about this 12 year limit in the original rules. Our governance review focused on how things should operate and the plan was to implement the new model rules at the next AGM which doesn't include this limit on board membership (whether it should is another question) , but clearly we shouldn't be in this position.
As for what happens next, I'm not entirely sure. The AGM is planned for January, and the plan was to vote on adopting the new rules.
In terms of the board members impacted, based on what I can tell from the online docs, there could be up to 3 people impacted. Clearly the Trust need to clarify that position in the coming days.
If our SD and Chairman are impacted then that's obviously far from ideal. If you want my view, I'm really not sure that removing them does anything other than weaken the Trust and could be incredibly damaging depending on your view on how the Trust should proceed in the future. I also don't think this situation has arisen because of anything other reason than they've been prepared to be involved that long. On the flip side, rules is rules and it could be argued they're there for a good reason.
I'm sure some would see this as an opportunity to cause some real change in balance, given their view on the vote this summer and how they think thinks should go regardless of that, and that the Trust comes out of that stronger. One hell of a leap of faith mind, and I'm far from convinced on many elements of that, not least how that looks in the future and who would actually step up. Always was more a fan of evolution over revolution anyway.
Anyway, the situation clearly needs to be resolved in a transparent and acceptable manner though. I'm sure it'll be transparent at least. |
Whether the trust is weakened or not if the chairman or SD are removed is not the point at all. A lot of people would say “rules are rules”. Rules and regulations are there for a reason. | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:26 - Nov 19 with 1408 views | E20Jack |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:18 - Nov 19 by biggar |
Whether the trust is weakened or not if the chairman or SD are removed is not the point at all. A lot of people would say “rules are rules”. Rules and regulations are there for a reason. |
It is only weakened if your opinion is we should be continuing to be made fools of by the Americans by negotiating a disaterous deal. If your opinion is that we need to be actually fighting for the club... you know the very reason the Trust exists, then their removal will make it a thousand times stronger. | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:41 - Nov 19 with 1361 views | monmouth |
It's not awkward, it's not inconvenient. Whether they are useful or not, they are out. Go. Now. Anything else is a sham and distortion just showing yet again the grim determination to keep their 'ego' positions to the exclusion of all else. For more than a dozen years. Which I am convinced is at the root of some of these people's actions. |  |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:48 - Nov 19 with 1340 views | Bobby_Fischer |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:41 - Nov 19 by monmouth |
It's not awkward, it's not inconvenient. Whether they are useful or not, they are out. Go. Now. Anything else is a sham and distortion just showing yet again the grim determination to keep their 'ego' positions to the exclusion of all else. For more than a dozen years. Which I am convinced is at the root of some of these people's actions. |
Exactly, weakend? Strengthened more like. | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:43 - Nov 19 with 1256 views | BillyChong |
How can existing Trust board members be unaware of the rules that they should be following?! Disaster. | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:45 - Nov 19 with 1248 views | MoscowJack |
I thought it was strange that an incoming Chairman wouldn't make his first line dedicated to the work of the outgoing Chairman, especially someone who left after 11 unforgettable years.
As I mentioned at the time, it's pretty standard to do so and Will not doing so made me quite confused, so I did some digging.
Apparently, Will had been trying to oust Phil for about 18-24 months and hasn't been the 'trusted Trust person' that we expect from someone in such a position of power.
He's back-stabbed his way around the Trust and, from everything I've been told today (by several people), seems to care more about his title than the role itself. I haven't spoken to Phil about this as I know Phil wouldn't want to air his dirty washing in public and would probably be too polite to confirm it anyway.
I won't go into finer detail as I don't think it's the right thing to do here, but I'm sure you all get my drift.
So, Will.....you've done your 12 years and you've shown your true colours too, so grab your coat and close the door on your way out please.
Although the Yanks seem to be two-faced, we aren't and we don't want to be represented by someone who is. | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:50 - Nov 19 with 1225 views | monmouth |
F ck me, this club eh? | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:52 - Nov 19 with 1216 views | E20Jack |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:45 - Nov 19 by MoscowJack |
I thought it was strange that an incoming Chairman wouldn't make his first line dedicated to the work of the outgoing Chairman, especially someone who left after 11 unforgettable years.
As I mentioned at the time, it's pretty standard to do so and Will not doing so made me quite confused, so I did some digging.
Apparently, Will had been trying to oust Phil for about 18-24 months and hasn't been the 'trusted Trust person' that we expect from someone in such a position of power.
He's back-stabbed his way around the Trust and, from everything I've been told today (by several people), seems to care more about his title than the role itself. I haven't spoken to Phil about this as I know Phil wouldn't want to air his dirty washing in public and would probably be too polite to confirm it anyway.
I won't go into finer detail as I don't think it's the right thing to do here, but I'm sure you all get my drift.
So, Will.....you've done your 12 years and you've shown your true colours too, so grab your coat and close the door on your way out please.
Although the Yanks seem to be two-faced, we aren't and we don't want to be represented by someone who is. |
For what reasons did he try and oust Phil? Because he wanted to take the Americans on in court or because he just wanted the title it came with? I can forgive the first. | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:53 - Nov 19 with 1214 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:52 - Nov 19 by E20Jack |
For what reasons did he try and oust Phil? Because he wanted to take the Americans on in court or because he just wanted the title it came with? I can forgive the first. |
What does your instinct tell you from what MJ posted? | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:02 - Nov 19 with 1174 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:52 - Nov 19 by E20Jack |
For what reasons did he try and oust Phil? Because he wanted to take the Americans on in court or because he just wanted the title it came with? I can forgive the first. |
If you were a betting man? | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:04 - Nov 19 with 1160 views | BillyChong |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:45 - Nov 19 by MoscowJack |
I thought it was strange that an incoming Chairman wouldn't make his first line dedicated to the work of the outgoing Chairman, especially someone who left after 11 unforgettable years.
As I mentioned at the time, it's pretty standard to do so and Will not doing so made me quite confused, so I did some digging.
Apparently, Will had been trying to oust Phil for about 18-24 months and hasn't been the 'trusted Trust person' that we expect from someone in such a position of power.
He's back-stabbed his way around the Trust and, from everything I've been told today (by several people), seems to care more about his title than the role itself. I haven't spoken to Phil about this as I know Phil wouldn't want to air his dirty washing in public and would probably be too polite to confirm it anyway.
I won't go into finer detail as I don't think it's the right thing to do here, but I'm sure you all get my drift.
So, Will.....you've done your 12 years and you've shown your true colours too, so grab your coat and close the door on your way out please.
Although the Yanks seem to be two-faced, we aren't and we don't want to be represented by someone who is. |
If true then not the best person to be observing Directors meetings and hanging round the Directors box. A personal agenda could be exactly why someone on the Trust board seems incredibly keen on pushing the share sale through ASAP.
https://www.swanstrust.co.uk/2017/02/15/building-bridges/ | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:07 - Nov 19 with 1144 views | Garyjack |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 18:52 - Nov 19 by E20Jack |
For what reasons did he try and oust Phil? Because he wanted to take the Americans on in court or because he just wanted the title it came with? I can forgive the first. |
He, 'and Mr Hamer' so i'm told tried to collude with other trust board members to have Phil removed before the Yanks came along. [Post edited 19 Nov 2017 19:08]
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:10 - Nov 19 with 1128 views | max936 |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 17:41 - Nov 19 by monmouth |
It's not awkward, it's not inconvenient. Whether they are useful or not, they are out. Go. Now. Anything else is a sham and distortion just showing yet again the grim determination to keep their 'ego' positions to the exclusion of all else. For more than a dozen years. Which I am convinced is at the root of some of these people's actions. |
Its no wonder things are the way they seem SCFC a total and utter shambles from on and off the field and now the Supporters Trust unbelievable stuff it really is.
Colour me Totally Disillusioned fuk my eyes,
I've just about had my fill now I really have, there's no hope and people are telling me to chuck a tenner into the pot
Time to rip it all up and start again. |  |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:11 - Nov 19 with 1123 views | MoscowJack |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:04 - Nov 19 by BillyChong |
If true then not the best person to be observing Directors meetings and hanging round the Directors box. A personal agenda could be exactly why someone on the Trust board seems incredibly keen on pushing the share sale through ASAP.
https://www.swanstrust.co.uk/2017/02/15/building-bridges/ |
You have to question the integrity of someone who's trying to oust their own Chairman in the way he did. There are good ways to show a lack of confidence in your superior (I've even had to do it myself once) and then there's the snide, back-handed way.
If someone puts themselves before the integrity of their own committee or body, then you know you're in trouble.
The further I dig, the more info I get. Is it true that Mr and Mrs Morris both frequent the Boardroom and Director's Box? Will, is this true?
There's more info coming by the hour....I'm just trying to get people to confirm whether it's true or not before I post it on here. Some of it is shocking if true.
Either way, the 12 years is up! | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:11 - Nov 19 with 1123 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:07 - Nov 19 by Garyjack |
He, 'and Mr Hamer' so i'm told tried to collude with other trust board members to have Phil removed before the Yanks came along. [Post edited 19 Nov 2017 19:08]
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When you say before the Yanks came along do you mean officially or in reality? | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:12 - Nov 19 with 1119 views | IAN05 |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:07 - Nov 19 by Garyjack |
He, 'and Mr Hamer' so i'm told tried to collude with other trust board members to have Phil removed before the Yanks came along. [Post edited 19 Nov 2017 19:08]
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I've never quite understood why Will Morris has held high positions in the Trust. I don't know him well but never really seemed to have anything unique to offer nor did he seem to do the huge graft that the likes of Phil, Huw, Stu Mac and others did. | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:17 - Nov 19 with 1088 views | Garyjack |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:11 - Nov 19 by londonlisa2001 |
When you say before the Yanks came along do you mean officially or in reality? |
Ill see if i can find out but i'm assuming it must have been the 2015 board elections. | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:22 - Nov 19 with 1068 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:17 - Nov 19 by Garyjack |
Ill see if i can find out but i'm assuming it must have been the 2015 board elections. |
The answer to that question will be fascinating.
oh the tangled webs we weave... | | | |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:24 - Nov 19 with 1058 views | MoscowJack |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:07 - Nov 19 by Garyjack |
He, 'and Mr Hamer' so i'm told tried to collude with other trust board members to have Phil removed before the Yanks came along. [Post edited 19 Nov 2017 19:08]
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GaryJack,
I've just had this confirmed too. I've never had any time for Nigel (he'll remember why.....but we could go back to Petty days when he got confused about which side he was sitting on) and I would be far from shocked to hear that it was Nigel and Will colluding to boot Phil out.
I wonder why Nigel might have been trying to get Phil out 18-24 months ago.....hhmmm.....let's think about the timing of that. | |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:24 - Nov 19 with 1058 views | ItchySphincter |
| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 12:36 - Nov 19 by exiledclaseboy |
I must confess I’m chuckling at the thought of the panicked conversations that must be happening at the moment. |
Huw Jenkins and the septics must be laughing their tits off too.
This is all just too ridiculous. |  |
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| The 12 Year Trust People - MUST GO NOW on 19:27 - Nov 19 with 1028 views | Neath_Jack |
Do we think Will, will make another appearance on here in the next day or two?
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