| derry appeal thrown out 15:59 - Apr 10 with 6037 views | wombat |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 16:32 - Apr 10 with 1294 views | Antti_Heinola |
It's a coward's decision - overturn it and the football community would have demanded punishment for Ashley Young. They don't want that can of worms. Only one game but Dezza deserves more. A proper professional who's been focked up the ass by the FA. |  |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 16:37 - Apr 10 with 1259 views | quickpassrotter |
Like most people here, not really surprised. The FA are arrogant and always seem to stick by their men regardless how wrong they have been proved to be. The decision on Sunday got extraordinary condemnation by all the press, TV, radio and pundits alike, it was so wrong on the three obvious counts of ..Offside, dive..and no real contact, so wrong for a Red all round. Just made the FA dig their heels in further and not want to reverse it. Very different to the recent Rugby League decision where the authorities came straight out and imposed a one match ban on one of their referees for not spotting the ''6th'' tackle (in a 6 tackle rules match) which led to a Try being scored by Catalan Dragons against the Broncos. It was in fact the ''7th'' tackle. There the RFL stated, not good enough, poor refereeing from one of our officials - and publicly declared the ban. I know it's not a like for like situation, and different sports - but they are decent and have the balls to do what is right. Unlike te FA. |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 16:39 - Apr 10 with 1239 views | Juzzie |
If an appeal is dismissed, aren't they meant to add another match ban? I could be wrong but if so, but not doing that they're making an even bigger mockery of themselves.
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| derry appeal thrown out on 16:40 - Apr 10 with 1232 views | Trom |
Well I thought we'd win this one so I'm now firmly in the cynical camp regarding the FA.
To ask players to respect referees, to play fairly and then not to reverse a decision where a player has clearly dived seems at best to be hypocritical. |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 16:42 - Apr 10 with 1222 views | adhoc_qpr |
Shaun Derry has basically being suspended 1 match for touching an offside player! |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 16:46 - Apr 10 with 1194 views | Antti_Heinola |
| derry appeal thrown out on 16:39 - Apr 10 by Juzzie |
If an appeal is dismissed, aren't they meant to add another match ban? I could be wrong but if so, but not doing that they're making an even bigger mockery of themselves.
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Only if they deem the appeal 'frivolous'. Even the FA wouldn't go that far. | |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 16:47 - Apr 10 with 1191 views | ericgen34 |
If that doesnt prove the corruption of the FA what does?
What I find so incredible as well, is that in a democratic society, the most popular sport's governing body has powers Stalin would have been proud of, and it seems nobody can do anything about it |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 16:48 - Apr 10 with 1185 views | quickpassrotter |
| derry appeal thrown out on 16:25 - Apr 10 by LeedsR |
It just confirms the Lee Mason school of officiating: If in doubt or in any danger of any controversy, award in favour of MU. This clearly applies to the FA too. Gutless, spineless and useless at what they're supposed to do.
Football is sooo skewed in favour of the "big" clubs. |
Lee Dixon said more or less the same on MOTD on Sunday night. Big teams get the decusions. | | | |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 17:07 - Apr 10 with 1084 views | Nov77 |
http://forum.planetswans.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=120200&start=128
this from a swansea fan:
Yeh, fair play. I knew it would be rejected, as he's clearly commited a direct free kick offence in the box and denied a goalscoring opportunity. I always seem to forget that denying a goalscoring opportunity is only a one match ban, but i think that QPR are fortunate as it's an uneccesary appeal in my opinion and he should have been banned for an additional game.
Glad he's missing our game, should give Gylfi a bit more room.
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| derry appeal thrown out on 17:15 - Apr 10 with 1058 views | OakR |
Is this the wrong time to say I previously worked for the organisation currently being slaughtered here? Probably.
As with most people on this thread, I never thought his ban would be overturned. Why? Well, the offside was not given, so that could not be considered under the current rules as I understand them. If you did consider it, for every time there was a goal could the team go back to a thrown on awarded the wrong way a corner a freekick etc? I don't know the rules fully but imagine previously incorrect decisions have no basis for the actual incident (Derry's touch on Young). Is that right morally, well no not really, but those are the rules as they are set-up and there would arguably be chaos otherwise, not to mention legal battles left right and centre.
So if you look at the 'penalty' then if Mason does not admit he made a mistake, as we stand, that is it. He thinks (if we ignore the offside) that he made the correct decision. Most people would disagree with that of course, but he will no doubt argue there was contact etc etc. At the moment referees are never overuled, and this may be area to look at, I'm not sure how it would work in practise - maybe it would only be looked at when a club formally appealed a decision like in this instance.
So what to do? Well the linesman if he can't spot an offside as obvious as that should be demoted suspended - clearly not good enough and or too intimidated by the crowd.
The main issue for me is the diving - there has to be an introduction of penalties for diving. And to go with that, I think it should be up to clubs to cite other players for diving - if found guilty automatic x game suspension. | |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 17:15 - Apr 10 with 1058 views | QPR_Jim |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:07 - Apr 10 by Nov77 |
http://forum.planetswans.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=120200&start=128
this from a swansea fan:
Yeh, fair play. I knew it would be rejected, as he's clearly commited a direct free kick offence in the box and denied a goalscoring opportunity. I always seem to forget that denying a goalscoring opportunity is only a one match ban, but i think that QPR are fortunate as it's an uneccesary appeal in my opinion and he should have been banned for an additional game.
Glad he's missing our game, should give Gylfi a bit more room.
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Good for Swansea another club that will benifit from our misfortune. |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:20 - Apr 10 with 1048 views | Neil_SI |
Realistically how have they interpreted this?
I think I know the answer, but if you were on the regulatory commission, what points would you raise and discuss regarding this incident?
You start with the offside that wasn't given.
Ashley Young was in an offside position, he was offside for a lengthy period of time and never onside throughout the passage of play that led to the penalty being awarded.
The linesman had a clear view that Young was offside for the duration of the play and had a clear and unobstructed view in order to make the correct call when the pass was made. The linesman however did not flag for offside, so play continued and therefore is still active. This whole episode at this point was probably not counted to the final decision based on the incident being missed.
Then we have the incident that led to the penalty...
Shaun Derry makes minimal contact with Ashley Young as Young receives the ball. In context, the contact made does not carry enough force to alter Young's trajectory or cause him to stumble and lose balance. It's certainly not enough contact to send him to the floor.
It *may* be different had Young been sprinting at speed, because minimal contact can actually have a surprising effect on someone in full flight, but this is not the case here, as Young checks on himself as he receives the ball and has to build up that speed and momentum, which he never did.
In football there is a certain amount of contact you would expect for when players come together that should be considered normal and unavoidable. In the context of this incident the contact Derry made would fall into this category for me.
The referee has a clear and unobstructed view of this incident and incorrectly calls a foul based on the perceived minimal contact. The referee can claim however that there was some form of contact, and this is the loophole, because this allows the red card decision to stand and the penalty to remain legal in terms of the letter of the law.
If you analyse the fall by Ashley Young, you can see a tell tale sign that he performed "simulation". If you watch a close up replay (shown on Match of the Day) you will see the foot nearest to Derry (his right one) arch and skid along the floor and then he tucks his left shoulder in as he hits the floor. Players do this when they try to anticipate contact and this is much less likely to occur when they have actually been fouled. You have much less control over your body when it's for real and your hands are more likely to brace themselves than tuck in.
The problem of course is context. Some officials just don't understand it, because they don't understand the game properly. And then some apply incorrect context to incorrect passages of play (see my note about running at speed and then taking minimal contact) and it's this kind of common sense that fans want to see applied in the game.
You can accept mistakes and people getting things wrong, even badly wrong like this, but you can clean it up afterwards. If on one hand we are expected to accept grey matter as part of the sport, and bad decisions, that's fine, but then on the other, you can't make it black and white like they've probably done here, you have to use grey matter and context to solve those wrongs as well.
There are many talking points that incidents like these raise, which include poor officiating that requires accountability and re-education in order to improve performance, a raised effort to deal with and be aware about simulation and making players understand that you know the tricks of the trade and will punish accordingly, and then applying common sense to an incorrect offence and rescinding it.
That's all folks want. It applies to yellow cards too, so many of them are incorrectly awarded, so just get in there and clean up the most blatant of mistakes if you've got something wrong. It's not rocket science and there's too much money at stake for them not to take these things more seriously. Clubs can go under and normal people can lose their jobs based on these things.
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| derry appeal thrown out on 17:20 - Apr 10 with 1046 views | Nov77 |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:15 - Apr 10 by OakR |
Is this the wrong time to say I previously worked for the organisation currently being slaughtered here? Probably.
As with most people on this thread, I never thought his ban would be overturned. Why? Well, the offside was not given, so that could not be considered under the current rules as I understand them. If you did consider it, for every time there was a goal could the team go back to a thrown on awarded the wrong way a corner a freekick etc? I don't know the rules fully but imagine previously incorrect decisions have no basis for the actual incident (Derry's touch on Young). Is that right morally, well no not really, but those are the rules as they are set-up and there would arguably be chaos otherwise, not to mention legal battles left right and centre.
So if you look at the 'penalty' then if Mason does not admit he made a mistake, as we stand, that is it. He thinks (if we ignore the offside) that he made the correct decision. Most people would disagree with that of course, but he will no doubt argue there was contact etc etc. At the moment referees are never overuled, and this may be area to look at, I'm not sure how it would work in practise - maybe it would only be looked at when a club formally appealed a decision like in this instance.
So what to do? Well the linesman if he can't spot an offside as obvious as that should be demoted suspended - clearly not good enough and or too intimidated by the crowd.
The main issue for me is the diving - there has to be an introduction of penalties for diving. And to go with that, I think it should be up to clubs to cite other players for diving - if found guilty automatic x game suspension. |
contact does not equate foul.
if it did there would be a penalty given every time a corner is taken.
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| derry appeal thrown out on 17:31 - Apr 10 with 1019 views | s1cRanger |
FUk you FA! |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:32 - Apr 10 with 1014 views | OakR |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:20 - Apr 10 by Nov77 |
contact does not equate foul.
if it did there would be a penalty given every time a corner is taken.
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I'm not saying I agree with the decision, I'm just saying that is what he is saying. TBH nowdays contact does seem to equal a foul in th epenalty area pretty often, it seems some refs are forgetting it is a contact sport. | |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 17:33 - Apr 10 with 1007 views | Northernr |
They've decided to do nothing with Balotelli now either. So in one afternoon they've endorsed diving in the penalty area and knee capping opponents. That's quite a day at the office they've had there. |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:37 - Apr 10 with 987 views | thisismyengland |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:33 - Apr 10 by Northernr |
They've decided to do nothing with Balotelli now either. So in one afternoon they've endorsed diving in the penalty area and knee capping opponents. That's quite a day at the office they've had there. |
the message from the FA could not be clearer:
1) teach kids that cheating is acceptable
2) teach kids that bigger, richer people must always be favoured
http://thisismyengland.blogspot.com/2012/04/cheats-prosper-and-corrupt-old-men.h |  |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 17:39 - Apr 10 with 979 views | Jamie |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:33 - Apr 10 by Northernr |
They've decided to do nothing with Balotelli now either. So in one afternoon they've endorsed diving in the penalty area and knee capping opponents. That's quite a day at the office they've had there. |
And effectively banned Ivanovic for hitting Maloney, but not Maloney for throwing a punch at Ivanovic to instigate it  | | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 17:40 - Apr 10 with 966 views | s1cRanger |
This will only make us stronger!
Full support for the lads tomorrow. Hate the FA, lets make them know what we think of them. | | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 18:02 - Apr 10 with 902 views | HamtuneR |
'Fair play' initiatives promoted and endorsed by the FA deserve the cynicism they attract after decisions like this. The FA had the opportunity to show to the watching football world that they really do mean it when the espouse 'Fair Play'.
Where's the fairnes when an offside player deliberately cons the ref by crashing to the ground after a minimum contact, thus depriving a FELOW PROFESSIONAL of plying his trade. Why does not European Employment law have a say in this? Restraint of Trade anyone?
(Does Clarke Carlisle as the PFA Representative have an opinion on this? If so, let's hear it Clarke.)
i've had enough of the big clubs getting all the breaks, I predicted there would be a controversial decision agains Rangers on Sunday. After the debacle at Chelsea the day before when (little) Wigan were cheated by inept officials I am rapidly feeling that the Premier League can get stuffed. Or reduce itself to seven or eight clubs, because that's all there is who can have a realistic chance at winning it. | | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 18:06 - Apr 10 with 880 views | W7Ranger |
The only reason he was "touched" illegally as opposed to fairly challenged was because he was so far ahead of play from being 2 yards offside in the first place. There was no chance of a fair tackle being made. I can't believe this would not have been considered when the FA looked at this, if indeed they really bothered to really look into this at all???  |  | | |
| derry appeal thrown out on 18:45 - Apr 10 with 794 views | ted_hendrix |
The FA are cowards pure and simple, I was naive enough to believe that with the video evidence in the Barton case Barton would get off, I was stone cold convinced that with the video evidence in the Shaun Derry case Derry would not only get off but even maybe get an apology.
Look at the video evidence once more and piss yourself right off, It's all there, It's plain to see, how can that decision be upheld?
Stick you're 'fair play' and 'respect' campaigns right up you're arses, you are a disgrace to this once proud footballing Nation you cowardly cheats. |  |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 19:01 - Apr 10 with 936 views | TheBlob |
Why not just come out and say there is no process of appeal.What is the point of this expensive(in the end) farce?
Deaf to shame and blind to scorn. |  |
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| derry appeal thrown out on 19:02 - Apr 10 with 930 views | austinqpr |
I didn't think you could be 'denying a clear goalscoring opportunity' if the player wasn't in control of the ball anyway. Young never actually touched the ball, so how was he in control of it? | | | |
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