| Squad depth 22:52 - Feb 14 with 3572 views | numptydumpty |
With a great performance tonight.
We still currently have Clarke Salter, Kolli, Dembele, Celar and Anderson, all currently injured as well, it's the amount of players, we have that we can call on, that is massive...
For many seasons, if Willock or Chair got injured, we were done for.
We have even temporarily added seemingly another couple of quality loans in Edwards and Yang also.
Suddenly we are competitive and can cope even if we lose half a team, heady days indeed !! |  |
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| Squad depth on 23:58 - Feb 14 with 3094 views | bosh67 |
Yes the recruitment has been very good and well balanced, especially with all the injuries. Damn that evil Nourry fellow. Boo. |  |
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| Squad depth on 07:27 - Feb 15 with 2874 views | derbyhoop |
Most of the subs last night were to give squad players some game time. Good management. |  |
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| Squad depth on 07:45 - Feb 15 with 2823 views | Gloucs_R |
I am feeling really sorry for Liam Morrison though. He started the season so well before his injury and now can't break back into the team because of a loan player who won't be with us next season. |  |
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| Squad depth on 09:51 - Feb 15 with 2615 views | gazza1 |
We have a very decent rounded squad........one of the best in the league.
We do, however, need a good CF and we would be a good, very good, team. What we have are OK. |  | | |
| Squad depth on 10:15 - Feb 15 with 2527 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Squad depth on 09:51 - Feb 15 by gazza1 |
We have a very decent rounded squad........one of the best in the league.
We do, however, need a good CF and we would be a good, very good, team. What we have are OK. |
I thought Lloyd was excellent when he came on last night,
Obviously his primary task was to press and stop their defenders stepping up with the ball which he did excellently,
But he also wins headers, lays the ball off well and his 1st touch & control was also excellent last night,
Also showed some real skill to beat a couple of defenders too,
A way to go, but last night showed real potential. | | | |
| Squad depth on 13:35 - Feb 15 with 2338 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Squad depth on 07:45 - Feb 15 by Gloucs_R |
I am feeling really sorry for Liam Morrison though. He started the season so well before his injury and now can't break back into the team because of a loan player who won't be with us next season. |
He’s been unlucky but whilst we are still in playoff contention then Edwards should play as he’s better. In the unlikely event we have nothing to play for then I’d drop the loan players and also any player who is definitely not going to be here next season and play those who will be here in August. |  | | |
| Squad depth on 13:49 - Feb 15 with 2280 views | Logman |
| Squad depth on 13:35 - Feb 15 by Ned_Kennedys |
He’s been unlucky but whilst we are still in playoff contention then Edwards should play as he’s better. In the unlikely event we have nothing to play for then I’d drop the loan players and also any player who is definitely not going to be here next season and play those who will be here in August. |
I think the squad will be fine for the rest of the season but come the summer, quite major upheaval will be needed. We potentially lose some excellent first teamers after June (JD, Saito, Edwards etc), there are a few who are in their limelight (Colback, Fox, Andersen) and a few who don't suit us (Madsen, Celar, Ashby).
I think one or two more of the Development Squad might be able to step up to be squad players but we will definitely need to get some new players in. | | | |
| Squad depth on 14:41 - Feb 15 with 2163 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Squad depth on 07:45 - Feb 15 by Gloucs_R |
I am feeling really sorry for Liam Morrison though. He started the season so well before his injury and now can't break back into the team because of a loan player who won't be with us next season. |
I wouldn't be too concerned as Morrison came on last night. After two injuries this season he needs to be bedded in gradually. If he can stay fit, he'll be a mainstay next season. |  | | |
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| Squad depth on 15:41 - Feb 15 with 2046 views | gazza1 |
| Squad depth on 10:15 - Feb 15 by ParkRoyalR |
I thought Lloyd was excellent when he came on last night,
Obviously his primary task was to press and stop their defenders stepping up with the ball which he did excellently,
But he also wins headers, lays the ball off well and his 1st touch & control was also excellent last night,
Also showed some real skill to beat a couple of defenders too,
A way to go, but last night showed real potential. |
Agreed PRR, he puts big defenders under a lot of pressure, not consistent technically but is strong and keeps the CBs fully occupied. A bit like, and I don't like to compare from many years ago, Andy McCullock who incidentally I played with his brother Ross (He was also a CF and 'put it about'). | | | |
| Squad depth on 15:51 - Feb 15 with 2012 views | Andybrat |
| Squad depth on 09:51 - Feb 15 by gazza1 |
We have a very decent rounded squad........one of the best in the league.
We do, however, need a good CF and we would be a good, very good, team. What we have are OK. |
I am repeating myself from another thread but we are massively sharing the responsibility with 17 players having scored this season, definition of squad depth methinks when you don’t have that forward. Apologies for repeating. | | | |
| Squad depth on 15:54 - Feb 15 with 2008 views | Andybrat |
| Squad depth on 09:51 - Feb 15 by gazza1 |
We have a very decent rounded squad........one of the best in the league.
We do, however, need a good CF and we would be a good, very good, team. What we have are OK. |
I am repeating myself from another thread but we are massively sharing the responsibility with 17 players having scored this season, definition of squad depth methinks when you don’t have that forward. Apologies for repeating. | | | |
| Squad depth on 16:22 - Feb 15 with 1922 views | WatfordR |
| Squad depth on 09:51 - Feb 15 by gazza1 |
We have a very decent rounded squad........one of the best in the league.
We do, however, need a good CF and we would be a good, very good, team. What we have are OK. |
Frey is the only one we can't afford to lose to injury. We can shuffle the pack to cover anyone else, but no one else gives us what he does. |  | | |
| Squad depth on 16:24 - Feb 15 with 1911 views | ThGrimRanger |
In terms of Edwards v Morrison then assume Marti will keep starting Edwards while there's still have an outside chance of making the playoffs. Same with Yang.
When the playoffs become out of reach then hope/assume he'll go with Morrison instead. |  |
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| Squad depth on 17:18 - Feb 15 with 1801 views | Andybrat |
| Squad depth on 09:51 - Feb 15 by gazza1 |
We have a very decent rounded squad........one of the best in the league.
We do, however, need a good CF and we would be a good, very good, team. What we have are OK. |
I am repeating myself from another thread but we are massively sharing the responsibility with 17 players having scored this season, definition of squad depth methinks when you don’t have that forward. Apologies for repeating. [Post edited 15 Feb 17:24]
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| Squad depth on 17:27 - Feb 15 with 1774 views | hantssi |
| Squad depth on 17:18 - Feb 15 by Andybrat |
I am repeating myself from another thread but we are massively sharing the responsibility with 17 players having scored this season, definition of squad depth methinks when you don’t have that forward. Apologies for repeating. [Post edited 15 Feb 17:24]
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So good you said it 3 times!
Mind you don’t let WWC hear you say we’ve got strength in depth!! | | | |
| Squad depth on 17:32 - Feb 15 with 1752 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Squad depth on 16:22 - Feb 15 by WatfordR |
Frey is the only one we can't afford to lose to injury. We can shuffle the pack to cover anyone else, but no one else gives us what he does. |
I might be in the minority but I really fail to see what it is he brings that we don't have elsewhere within the squad bar maybe being lucky,
Can't jump, wins very few headers, can't press as is just too slow, although for me brings Sylla levels of confusion & who knows what he's going to do next from falling over to swazzing a 30 yarder just pass the post,
I get Lloyd is acclimatising to this level as is Celar to the physicality, but I can't think of a single thing Frey brings other than maybe backing into his Centre Half rather than jumping to win the ball,
Hope I'm wrong but he's more Sylla than Hughill for me. | | | |
| Squad depth on 17:48 - Feb 15 with 1712 views | Tonto |
| Squad depth on 13:49 - Feb 15 by Logman |
I think the squad will be fine for the rest of the season but come the summer, quite major upheaval will be needed. We potentially lose some excellent first teamers after June (JD, Saito, Edwards etc), there are a few who are in their limelight (Colback, Fox, Andersen) and a few who don't suit us (Madsen, Celar, Ashby).
I think one or two more of the Development Squad might be able to step up to be squad players but we will definitely need to get some new players in. |
Think that "major upheaval" is a little exaggerated.
There will be squad churn. There always is. But the major surgery was last season. Dont think it will be Novemeber before the team starts firing (thats got the potentiall to bite me though).
The churn will mostly be squad players not first XI. I also expect Saito to stay. |  |
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| Squad depth on 18:03 - Feb 15 with 1673 views | jtuck |
| Squad depth on 17:32 - Feb 15 by ParkRoyalR |
I might be in the minority but I really fail to see what it is he brings that we don't have elsewhere within the squad bar maybe being lucky,
Can't jump, wins very few headers, can't press as is just too slow, although for me brings Sylla levels of confusion & who knows what he's going to do next from falling over to swazzing a 30 yarder just pass the post,
I get Lloyd is acclimatising to this level as is Celar to the physicality, but I can't think of a single thing Frey brings other than maybe backing into his Centre Half rather than jumping to win the ball,
Hope I'm wrong but he's more Sylla than Hughill for me. |
Agree to disagree. Frey is awkward but very effective and scores goals. And has skill. You can't judge a book...! I get he is not a clinical finisher, but there are very few of those around. And he DOES press which a lot of times is getting somewhat near defenders to up pressure from the front, rather than being uber-athletic whippet Greyhound. | |
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| Squad depth on 18:07 - Feb 15 with 1661 views | jtuck |
Oops...you were talking about Lloyd not Frey. Apologies! Bt also like Lloyd who is not just chaos merchant! | |
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| Squad depth on 18:23 - Feb 15 with 1593 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Squad depth on 17:32 - Feb 15 by ParkRoyalR |
I might be in the minority but I really fail to see what it is he brings that we don't have elsewhere within the squad bar maybe being lucky,
Can't jump, wins very few headers, can't press as is just too slow, although for me brings Sylla levels of confusion & who knows what he's going to do next from falling over to swazzing a 30 yarder just pass the post,
I get Lloyd is acclimatising to this level as is Celar to the physicality, but I can't think of a single thing Frey brings other than maybe backing into his Centre Half rather than jumping to win the ball,
Hope I'm wrong but he's more Sylla than Hughill for me. |
Ah we were wondering who was going to replace Dykes in your heart to be showered with praise to the detriment of others who play in his position and it looks like you’ve picked Lloyd: lucky lad 😂
At the moment Frey is miles ahead of Lloyd in terms of what he offers and deservedly should start every game. Lloyd offers a decent alternative to come on late and hopefully will develop further over the next few seasons. | | | |
| Squad depth on 20:19 - Feb 15 with 1444 views | derbyhoop |
| Squad depth on 13:49 - Feb 15 by Logman |
I think the squad will be fine for the rest of the season but come the summer, quite major upheaval will be needed. We potentially lose some excellent first teamers after June (JD, Saito, Edwards etc), there are a few who are in their limelight (Colback, Fox, Andersen) and a few who don't suit us (Madsen, Celar, Ashby).
I think one or two more of the Development Squad might be able to step up to be squad players but we will definitely need to get some new players in. |
It depends what they do about the players who are OOC, between now and June 30.
I suspect they'll want to keep JD, Cook, Frey. Also turn Saito's loan into a perm deal. If so, it cuts down the churn to something less disruptive | |
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| Squad depth on 05:29 - Feb 16 with 1101 views | GroveR |
| Squad depth on 07:45 - Feb 15 by Gloucs_R |
I am feeling really sorry for Liam Morrison though. He started the season so well before his injury and now can't break back into the team because of a loan player who won't be with us next season. |
This is an excellent point as you've highlighted in a nutshell there's a big difference between what is in the best interests of individual players and the playing squad as a whole over both the short-term (next couple of games) and longer-term this season and the next.
Edwards and Morrison is almost an ideal problem to have for me. In Morrison we've made a long-term signing that aligns with our supposed model of identifying potential value to develop, improving the squad, results and the player and ultimately to sell at a handsome profit to reinvest.
Until he got injured, Morrison looked to be ticking a lot of boxes for me and it's no coincidence we look steadier at the back when he's playing. But injured he did get and we needed to move quickly to replace him with someone who a) is at least as good or better and b) fits into the squad and isn't an academy wànker. Edwards seems to be both and has the added benefit of a jawline that is making many of us mildly curious in ways we never considered before this age of sheer wokery.
What's best for Morrison (or at least what I'd imagine he wants personally) is to play every game he's fit to play. What's best for the playing squad in the short-term (results) is to play the best players you have in every single position and that's Edwards at the moment in one of those positions. What's best for everyone long(er)-term is if Morrison can develop the areas of his game that Edwards is currently better at (jawline notwithstanding). Ultimately, I want to see clubs like Southampton trying to buy players like Morrison from us, much like we should have done with Edwards while he was at Barnet.
I'm really not understanding why anyone thinks playing one over the other based on where we might or might not finish is a good idea for anyone. |  | | |
| Squad depth on 09:21 - Feb 16 with 853 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Squad depth on 18:23 - Feb 15 by Ned_Kennedys |
Ah we were wondering who was going to replace Dykes in your heart to be showered with praise to the detriment of others who play in his position and it looks like you’ve picked Lloyd: lucky lad 😂
At the moment Frey is miles ahead of Lloyd in terms of what he offers and deservedly should start every game. Lloyd offers a decent alternative to come on late and hopefully will develop further over the next few seasons. |
We see things differently,
I always champion those who put the team first, which was why I was also vocal in backing Dunne on this forum when he was getting scape-goated most weeks,
Frey is more Sylla & Washington than Hughill & Wells for me at the moment,
I haven't given up on him yet but Lloyds 1st touch & close control was a surprise the other night & other than backing into his defender Celar just has to be able to offer more. | | | |
| Squad depth on 10:15 - Feb 16 with 753 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Squad depth on 09:21 - Feb 16 by ParkRoyalR |
We see things differently,
I always champion those who put the team first, which was why I was also vocal in backing Dunne on this forum when he was getting scape-goated most weeks,
Frey is more Sylla & Washington than Hughill & Wells for me at the moment,
I haven't given up on him yet but Lloyds 1st touch & close control was a surprise the other night & other than backing into his defender Celar just has to be able to offer more. |
Frey will be relieved you haven’t given up on him yet.
Couldn’t disagree more with your opinion on Frey: he’s the epitome of a player who ‘puts the team first’, running himself into the ground to press and chase when clearly speed is not his main asset.
Scores goals as well as sets them up.
By far our best forward above the other three who are hopefully learning from him as to how to play the lone striker role. | | | |
| Squad depth on 10:20 - Feb 16 with 706 views | Paddyhoops |
| Squad depth on 18:03 - Feb 15 by jtuck |
Agree to disagree. Frey is awkward but very effective and scores goals. And has skill. You can't judge a book...! I get he is not a clinical finisher, but there are very few of those around. And he DOES press which a lot of times is getting somewhat near defenders to up pressure from the front, rather than being uber-athletic whippet Greyhound. |
Watched the highlights back and Frankly Frey’s work rate is phenomenal.
Love the guy and if he bags 10 goals( which I think he will ) then he’s been a big success.
The way he worked to tee up Chair for his first was brilliant. | | | |
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