| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 11:55 - Jan 29 with 5226 views | 49thseason |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 10:58 - Jan 29 by fourfourtwo |
I agreed with about 3/4 of your post until you got to the multi club ownership model.
There is such limited information about that presently it would be ridiculous to shut it down.
Wild example but imagine if say Borrusia Dortmund were interested in investing in an English club. Pumped money in to us, developed a training complex and everything else. Loaned us exciting European top talent to blood them in a physical mens environment.
Also the fact that your owned by a successful, corporate, football beast. That knows exactly what is required. Rather than an individual who potentially may have limited experience of football and could run the risk of overstepping the mark or get bored with his investment after a couple of seasons of mediocrity.
You’d rather us be in National League North than that? Maybe this sort of thing might actually interest the public in Rochdale also, because god knows we’ve tried all sorts in the past which hasn’t interested them.
I’ve watched a lot of non-league football and it’s not something I want to do with Rochdale. If you think the standards bad now, you’ve no idea how bad it will get. |
After 62 seasons and 28 games of this one, I am at the point where I believe a major change is required. It seems unlikely that a Saudi Prince is about to march through the front door, so an approach from another, bigger, group of clubs somewhere in the world has to be taken seriously and in my case welcomed. I am sick of being the perpetual losers , the " nice people useless at football " club. Never been Champions, never won a proper trophy, 100 years of underachieving and under-investment, crowds falling and an atmosphere that is beginning to have the whiff of the Paris mob with ever bigger numbers of police outside the ground and stewards inside. Clearly even this level of miserable mediocrity isnt financially sustainable. So what can we do? Pack up and sell the ground for housing? Fancy a new semi- detatched on Fred Ratcliffe Close or Keith Hill Corner?
Nope, we urgently need major reconstructive surgery, which means new investment on and off the pitch, better that it comes from a family of similarly minded tootball clubs than someone who wants a plaything to fill his Saturdays until he gets bored.
As long as we have a squad of competent, athletic footballers capable of winning as many as they lose, I dont care where they come from, there may well be players on the pitch that we do not "own", equally there may be local lads who leave our academy for foreign shores, the cream always rises to the surface... somewhere. At least my Saturdays might include a goal or two that I can celebrate and a few players I can cheer on. And my wife will appreciate a much less miserable old bugger too. |  | |  |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 12:26 - Jan 29 with 5116 views | D_Alien |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 11:55 - Jan 29 by 49thseason |
After 62 seasons and 28 games of this one, I am at the point where I believe a major change is required. It seems unlikely that a Saudi Prince is about to march through the front door, so an approach from another, bigger, group of clubs somewhere in the world has to be taken seriously and in my case welcomed. I am sick of being the perpetual losers , the " nice people useless at football " club. Never been Champions, never won a proper trophy, 100 years of underachieving and under-investment, crowds falling and an atmosphere that is beginning to have the whiff of the Paris mob with ever bigger numbers of police outside the ground and stewards inside. Clearly even this level of miserable mediocrity isnt financially sustainable. So what can we do? Pack up and sell the ground for housing? Fancy a new semi- detatched on Fred Ratcliffe Close or Keith Hill Corner?
Nope, we urgently need major reconstructive surgery, which means new investment on and off the pitch, better that it comes from a family of similarly minded tootball clubs than someone who wants a plaything to fill his Saturdays until he gets bored.
As long as we have a squad of competent, athletic footballers capable of winning as many as they lose, I dont care where they come from, there may well be players on the pitch that we do not "own", equally there may be local lads who leave our academy for foreign shores, the cream always rises to the surface... somewhere. At least my Saturdays might include a goal or two that I can celebrate and a few players I can cheer on. And my wife will appreciate a much less miserable old bugger too. |
Not just your wife 
Agree with most of what's been said in this and previous posts. We all need to know the finer detail of what a multi-club model would involve, but on the point of loanees: they may be of better quality and though raw, more interesting to watch. We've been playing several in the first team for some time now and the first couple that've really looked the part were Dodgson & Mellor yesterday
I've still not given up on this season yet. I believe the board - Commercial Dept aside - have been naive in football terms but that's entirely understandable given the circumstances. It's good, therefore, to see today's discussion taking place in a respectful manner. And i agree: Brierley should be hooked and Eastwood despatched without further hesitation. Simon Gauge showed he wasn't going to be shafted by Hornets. He now needs to apply the same principle in this matter
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 12:31 - Jan 29 with 5098 views | fourfourtwo |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 11:41 - Jan 29 by DorsetDale |
"Wild example but imagine if say Borrusia Dortmund were interested in investing in an English club. Pumped money in to us, developed a training complex and everything else. Loaned us exciting European top talent to blood them in a physical mens environment."
Sounds great on the surface but what happens with our academy in those circumstances?
Fine if they want to invest in training facilities etc but surely we would want to use the new wealth to continue and improve producing local/ish talent, rather than baby sitting 17/18 year olds that may "learn their trade" here then a few years down the line score the winner in a WC semi-final shoot out!
Extreme example I know. Maybe somewhere in-between could work but I remain cautious until much more is known. |
One of the reasons I used Dortmund as an outlandish example is because they do clearly value young English players. Only very recently they’ve picked up Sancho out of City’s Academy and also Bellingham. The likely profit on the pair will be well over €100 million.
If there was way in which owning a small British club could help to develop this supply chain, I’m sure there would be a lot of interest.
I’ve been critical of the board this month but I genuinely think Simon is onto something here and hopefully he has a rabbit up his sleeve which he will reveal at the fans forum. |  | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 13:06 - Jan 29 with 5007 views | 49thseason |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 12:26 - Jan 29 by D_Alien |
Not just your wife
Agree with most of what's been said in this and previous posts. We all need to know the finer detail of what a multi-club model would involve, but on the point of loanees: they may be of better quality and though raw, more interesting to watch. We've been playing several in the first team for some time now and the first couple that've really looked the part were Dodgson & Mellor yesterday
I've still not given up on this season yet. I believe the board - Commercial Dept aside - have been naive in football terms but that's entirely understandable given the circumstances. It's good, therefore, to see today's discussion taking place in a respectful manner. And i agree: Brierley should be hooked and Eastwood despatched without further hesitation. Simon Gauge showed he wasn't going to be shafted by Hornets. He now needs to apply the same principle in this matter
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Eastwood is very much a rooky goalkeeper for a 26 year old and has hardly played for 2 seasons. He needs game time, the problem is we are paying while he learns, I dont know what sort of a deal is being put together with Sheffield but as far as loan goalies are concerned either you get someone on the verge of 1st team football at a higher level ( Sanchez or Heaton) with their parent club or you dont bother.
I get Brierley being on an extended trial, you would assume the more they see, the more they pay.. eventually. My thinking is that he will sign for Sheffield and the money will be paid after the window closes, maybe not the end of the world if there is EFL money arriving soon, hence the comments about the medium to longer term looking financially brighter.
With regard to his kicking from goal kicks, Eastwood has a rather odd routine whereby he lines up as if he is left footed and then shuffles a a couple of steps to his left and kicks with his right, a bit like a rugby kicker, its odd and isnt working and I am surprised our coach hasnt sorted it out, or maybe its the result of an earlier attempt to improve his kicking. The other option is to move the ball to the right hand side of the goal area and then kick to the left side of the pitch giving himself a bit more width. There are no rules about where to take goal kicks other than inside the goal area. Maybe he needs a few sessions with an NLP specialist to "anchor" his kicking, I bet the Speakmans could fix him. Certainly he isnt doing it on purpose. | | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 13:51 - Jan 29 with 4888 views | D_Alien |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 13:06 - Jan 29 by 49thseason |
Eastwood is very much a rooky goalkeeper for a 26 year old and has hardly played for 2 seasons. He needs game time, the problem is we are paying while he learns, I dont know what sort of a deal is being put together with Sheffield but as far as loan goalies are concerned either you get someone on the verge of 1st team football at a higher level ( Sanchez or Heaton) with their parent club or you dont bother.
I get Brierley being on an extended trial, you would assume the more they see, the more they pay.. eventually. My thinking is that he will sign for Sheffield and the money will be paid after the window closes, maybe not the end of the world if there is EFL money arriving soon, hence the comments about the medium to longer term looking financially brighter.
With regard to his kicking from goal kicks, Eastwood has a rather odd routine whereby he lines up as if he is left footed and then shuffles a a couple of steps to his left and kicks with his right, a bit like a rugby kicker, its odd and isnt working and I am surprised our coach hasnt sorted it out, or maybe its the result of an earlier attempt to improve his kicking. The other option is to move the ball to the right hand side of the goal area and then kick to the left side of the pitch giving himself a bit more width. There are no rules about where to take goal kicks other than inside the goal area. Maybe he needs a few sessions with an NLP specialist to "anchor" his kicking, I bet the Speakmans could fix him. Certainly he isnt doing it on purpose. |
Decent analysis of Eastwood's kicking, but if he's part of a deal with Brierley we need to show more bottle. If Sheff Utd want Brierley and the rules around transfer payments allow it, all well and good, but having Eastwood here shouldn't impact upon that
If Eastwood goes back now, there's still time to get another loanee/ short term contract keeper to keep ROD on his toes
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 14:37 - Jan 29 with 4781 views | DaleiLama |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 10:33 - Jan 29 by BillyRudd |
When Bentley is asked about Brierley in interviews he goes into "its a great opportunity for the lad" mode. I am sure it is and I attach no blame whatsoever on the lad for pursuing it. However the fact is that given our present position it is outrageous that another club has the use of his services when it should be all hands to the pumps here. We are talking about the clubs league future here . Frankly one players career prospects, however likeable the lad is, set against that, is or should be, irrelevant. The only gloss I can put on it is that it was a desperate throw of the dice to gain funds for January recruitment and an embargo has put paid to that.
However I ask myself, why the initial secrecy surrounding his decamping to Sheffield and if no funds are forthcoming, why is he still there?
We might or might not owe our survival as a club to the present board, time will tell, but with the available facts we have, it appears, they sure as hell don,t understand the average football fans thought processes. Football is tribal, we are not a charity. Charity case maybe but try pleading that in the world of football.
Another example being this multi club ownership path. I would sooner be in the National League North and independant, than as a feeder club in any league being told which players we have to sign and when and if we can play them. Thin end of the wedge and I am concerned as to where this board is taking us. |
'but with the available facts we have, it appears, they sure as hell don,t understand the average football fans thought processes'
...... on that basis, then, surely better to wait until all the facts are available to judge? And all the facts surrounding a potential transfer will never be made public during the process for obvious reasons. |  |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 17:38 - Jan 29 with 4592 views | BillyRudd |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 14:37 - Jan 29 by DaleiLama |
'but with the available facts we have, it appears, they sure as hell don,t understand the average football fans thought processes'
...... on that basis, then, surely better to wait until all the facts are available to judge? And all the facts surrounding a potential transfer will never be made public during the process for obvious reasons. |
Mute point Daleilama. Forums thrive on speculation and personal opinion. If we only ever crossed the t,s and dotted the i,s of retrospective historical facts, this forum would be dead.
I might be spot on the money, I might be a million miles away. Who knows, who cares? Its just an opinion. | | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 18:25 - Jan 29 with 4463 views | Rodingdale |
By the look of prem bound Sheffield U versus non league Wrexham - they need Brierley quickly. 😌 | | | |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:22 - Jan 29 with 4217 views | DaleiLama |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 17:38 - Jan 29 by BillyRudd |
Mute point Daleilama. Forums thrive on speculation and personal opinion. If we only ever crossed the t,s and dotted the i,s of retrospective historical facts, this forum would be dead.
I might be spot on the money, I might be a million miles away. Who knows, who cares? Its just an opinion. |
Have at it. The board is full of football fans. That's why they stepped up to save our club. That's not a moot point. | |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:44 - Jan 29 with 4153 views | D_Alien |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:22 - Jan 29 by DaleiLama |
Have at it. The board is full of football fans. That's why they stepped up to save our club. That's not a moot point. |
Trouble is DL, they're not "average" Dale fans so their way of doing things just isn't right... | |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:51 - Jan 29 with 4133 views | BillyRudd |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:22 - Jan 29 by DaleiLama |
Have at it. The board is full of football fans. That's why they stepped up to save our club. That's not a moot point. |
Am probably missing something and so apologies but I have no idea what point you are trying to make or its relevance to my original post. If you are saying that Brierleys continuing mid season interlude in Sheffield as sanctioned by the board has the support of the majority of the fans, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
But I wll reiterate, from my original post, that I have a sense of unease about the direction the board wish to take us. Even if it is just the leap into the unknown.
It is a long long time since I put blind trust into any organisation or group of people. If you have total faith in the present board and all its decisions, then I,m happy for you and I hope for both our sakes, it is justified. | | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 21:00 - Jan 29 with 4089 views | BillyRudd |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:44 - Jan 29 by D_Alien |
Trouble is DL, they're not "average" Dale fans so their way of doing things just isn't right... |
Thank goodness your here D Alien! I was beginning to think you had fallen out with me.  | | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 21:02 - Jan 29 with 4076 views | D_Alien |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:51 - Jan 29 by BillyRudd |
Am probably missing something and so apologies but I have no idea what point you are trying to make or its relevance to my original post. If you are saying that Brierleys continuing mid season interlude in Sheffield as sanctioned by the board has the support of the majority of the fans, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
But I wll reiterate, from my original post, that I have a sense of unease about the direction the board wish to take us. Even if it is just the leap into the unknown.
It is a long long time since I put blind trust into any organisation or group of people. If you have total faith in the present board and all its decisions, then I,m happy for you and I hope for both our sakes, it is justified. |
I'll answer that, but not on DL's behalf, he can do so himself if he chooses
You told me i was "genuflecting" to the board, you're now saying DL is putting "blind faith" in them. Neither is remotely true, which you'll know very well from our posts in general
Specifically, i've been hypercritical of the way our Commercial Dept operates, and just yesterday asked why the member of the board responsible (and there is one) isn't being held to account for it
In short, you're barking up the wrong tree
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 11:13 - Jan 30 with 3513 views | DaleiLama |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 20:51 - Jan 29 by BillyRudd |
Am probably missing something and so apologies but I have no idea what point you are trying to make or its relevance to my original post. If you are saying that Brierleys continuing mid season interlude in Sheffield as sanctioned by the board has the support of the majority of the fans, then we will just have to agree to disagree.
But I wll reiterate, from my original post, that I have a sense of unease about the direction the board wish to take us. Even if it is just the leap into the unknown.
It is a long long time since I put blind trust into any organisation or group of people. If you have total faith in the present board and all its decisions, then I,m happy for you and I hope for both our sakes, it is justified. |
I'm certainly not saying the majority of fans approve of the EB situation. What I am saying is you've penned a book review after reading the first few chapters. I accept that speculation and opinion is part of the back and forth of a message board, but I also think that this board has more than earned a fair crack of the whip, which your comments suggest you are not giving them. In your own words "with the available facts we have, it appears".
I also don't have total faith in the board either. I think I made my position and support of the board clear here. https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/members/rochdale/forum/293987/page:1
It's a results business and I'm going to reserve my judgement based on final outcomes. I also accept there can be a need to press the "nuclear" button sometimes, and it undoubtedly should have been pressed at the end of last season with the benefit of hindsight - one the board got wrong.
If you want to pass judgement, as I said, have at it. That was my only point. It really isn't that big a deal. It's a free country and I'm not advocating censorship.
As a fan-owned club, shareholders have a right to pass judgement in terms of voting, based on facts presented to us. That's the way it should be. | |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 21:10 - Jan 30 with 3030 views | BillyRudd |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 11:13 - Jan 30 by DaleiLama |
I'm certainly not saying the majority of fans approve of the EB situation. What I am saying is you've penned a book review after reading the first few chapters. I accept that speculation and opinion is part of the back and forth of a message board, but I also think that this board has more than earned a fair crack of the whip, which your comments suggest you are not giving them. In your own words "with the available facts we have, it appears".
I also don't have total faith in the board either. I think I made my position and support of the board clear here. https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/members/rochdale/forum/293987/page:1
It's a results business and I'm going to reserve my judgement based on final outcomes. I also accept there can be a need to press the "nuclear" button sometimes, and it undoubtedly should have been pressed at the end of last season with the benefit of hindsight - one the board got wrong.
If you want to pass judgement, as I said, have at it. That was my only point. It really isn't that big a deal. It's a free country and I'm not advocating censorship.
As a fan-owned club, shareholders have a right to pass judgement in terms of voting, based on facts presented to us. That's the way it should be. |
100% agree with your post on all points DaleiLama including the negative. Just hope, that using your analogy, there is a happy ending in the final chapter. Sadly although my heart says we can do it, my head says we are this seasons Scunthorpe. Someone wrote recently that often the only thing worse than watching them, is not watching them. Brilliant summing up of the Dale fans lot. | | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 08:47 - Jan 31 with 2627 views | electricblue |
I read that Sheff united where given 30days to find the money to pay for their signings if they dont then they face 12months of a transfer embargo..
That is not good for Dale with the situation the clud is currently in, lets face it in 30days time the transfer embargo kicks in and Dale will be without any tranfer fee although that would be untl in the summer.
What if sheff utd do pay the money and a fee is agreed who is to say that they dont do the same to us!
Whatever happens today EB should be back at the COA training and playing... |  |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 09:30 - Jan 31 with 2496 views | 49thseason |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 08:47 - Jan 31 by electricblue |
I read that Sheff united where given 30days to find the money to pay for their signings if they dont then they face 12months of a transfer embargo..
That is not good for Dale with the situation the clud is currently in, lets face it in 30days time the transfer embargo kicks in and Dale will be without any tranfer fee although that would be untl in the summer.
What if sheff utd do pay the money and a fee is agreed who is to say that they dont do the same to us!
Whatever happens today EB should be back at the COA training and playing... |
From Yorkshire Live
"Rochdale starlet Ethan Brierley, 19, was another who has spent time at the club's training complex at Shirecliffe but the Blades boss will have to wait to make a move for the pair if he wants to make their trial permanent.
He has been upfront about the situation and the two youngsters know where they stand regarding the club's current position. Heckingbottom confirmed yesterday that the EFL sanction, imposed for failing to keep up with transfer payments owed to another club, was still in place.
The pair would both be on professional contracts and, particularly in the case of Brierley, money would be owed to Rochdale for a transfer. | | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 11:08 - Jan 31 with 2291 views | electricblue |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 09:30 - Jan 31 by 49thseason |
From Yorkshire Live
"Rochdale starlet Ethan Brierley, 19, was another who has spent time at the club's training complex at Shirecliffe but the Blades boss will have to wait to make a move for the pair if he wants to make their trial permanent.
He has been upfront about the situation and the two youngsters know where they stand regarding the club's current position. Heckingbottom confirmed yesterday that the EFL sanction, imposed for failing to keep up with transfer payments owed to another club, was still in place.
The pair would both be on professional contracts and, particularly in the case of Brierley, money would be owed to Rochdale for a transfer. |
Interesting....
So Sheff Utd want to sign Brierley on pro terms, i still would not trust them in paying just like the siuation they are in now....... | |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 15:40 - Jan 31 with 1977 views | AtThePeake |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 11:17 - Jan 29 by BillyRudd |
Fully understand the attractions you describe and agree about the individual owner downside (you only have to look to Boundary Park) but no the scenario you describe is not for me. The proposition you outline I am sure would be an easy sell but personally give me free and independant.
Having spent the odd afternoon over at Ramsbottom I wholeheartedly agree that non league is not for the purist. On the plus side your coffee comes in a ceramic cup!!!! |
Can we stop with this lumping in of all non-league together as if it's just one big division where the quality is the same throughout? There's a huge gap in abilitybetween the divisions and Ramsbottom are in the relegation zone of the Northern Premier League West. There are fewer league positions separating us from the likes of Manchester United and Liverpool than there are from Ramsbottom United right now, that's the gap we're talking about here. |  |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 15:44 - Jan 31 with 1945 views | AtThePeake |
I bit my tongue a bit when this news came out because as frustrating as it was, I wondered whether there may be some leeway on the Sheff Utd embargo when it came to signing U21 players or whether we'd see a loan deal whereby Sheff Utd were obliged to pay a certain amount in the summer.
As we edge closer to the deadline, it seems like Brierley is certainly not going to get a deal tied up this January, which makes this whole situation absolutely bizarre and infuriating. For one of, if not the most talented player we have to be out on trial at another club and while we're rock bottom of the Football League hurtling towards relegation and for him then not to join that club in this window is just embarrassingly poor decision-making. Get him back at Spotland and back in the starting eleven immediately. | |
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| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 15:54 - Jan 31 with 1893 views | Brierls |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 15:44 - Jan 31 by AtThePeake |
I bit my tongue a bit when this news came out because as frustrating as it was, I wondered whether there may be some leeway on the Sheff Utd embargo when it came to signing U21 players or whether we'd see a loan deal whereby Sheff Utd were obliged to pay a certain amount in the summer.
As we edge closer to the deadline, it seems like Brierley is certainly not going to get a deal tied up this January, which makes this whole situation absolutely bizarre and infuriating. For one of, if not the most talented player we have to be out on trial at another club and while we're rock bottom of the Football League hurtling towards relegation and for him then not to join that club in this window is just embarrassingly poor decision-making. Get him back at Spotland and back in the starting eleven immediately. |
It's an absolute shambles. If this is indicative of other football decisions being made at the club then we are screwed. I don't say that lightly. |  | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 16:38 - Jan 31 with 1767 views | HullDale |
So it appears Sheffield Utd have decided to not sell today, keep their existing squad together and remain under an embargo - its a decision they seem to have made to maintain their push from the Premiership.
Does this mean Brierley is back at Dale with immediate effect? |  | | |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 16:50 - Jan 31 with 1694 views | BillyRudd |
| Ethan Brierley Sheffield Bound? on 15:40 - Jan 31 by AtThePeake |
Can we stop with this lumping in of all non-league together as if it's just one big division where the quality is the same throughout? There's a huge gap in abilitybetween the divisions and Ramsbottom are in the relegation zone of the Northern Premier League West. There are fewer league positions separating us from the likes of Manchester United and Liverpool than there are from Ramsbottom United right now, that's the gap we're talking about here. |
Totally agree with your point At thePeake about the "ability between the divisions". I would have thought that concept went without being stated, thats how we work out who gets promoted and relegated.. However I have no idea why you chose my post to make your self evident point, as I never stated to the contrary. Bizarre. | | | |
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