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They occupied and opressed almost every bit they "liberated" for the next 45 years.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Alan Henning beheaded on 16:45 - Oct 5 with 1994 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 15:53 - Oct 5 by Lohengrin
And you think the establishment of a police state, vast prison camps for thought-criminals and the confiscation of all private property is the answer then? That's what Paul's lot think is the answer.
No it isn't, you're taking the Perch route of extrapolating Soviet style communism as representative of the left. It's ridiculous, factually incorrect and frankly I'd expect more of you, if not of him.
Alan Henning beheaded on 16:45 - Oct 5 by exiledclaseboy
No it isn't, you're taking the Perch route of extrapolating Soviet style communism as representative of the left. It's ridiculous, factually incorrect and frankly I'd expect more of you, if not of him.
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Let's not be coy, every political state is one in transition, especially those conceived as utopian, we all know where the road paved with good intentions ultimately leads.
It's far more honest for the left to lift high the blood banner from the outset.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Alan Henning beheaded on 16:58 - Oct 5 with 1978 views
With all due respect Andrew, that s rather patronising.
If you don't believe ussr represented true socialism ,uou re morenuts that I thought. There again, china under Mao, Cuba under Castro ,what were they then.
Scar gill had nowt but praise for Cuba and Galloway a big fan.
Sometimes ,you drop your guard on here.
Agree to disagree..
In life, you either look after yourself or let the state do it.
FinaLly, not surprisingly my initial question not answered
Oh and while they were our "allies" they had their eyes on the prize of Berlin and then walling in the country. Churchill .that mass murderer ,saw this but nobody listened to him.
Pact with Germany, ally of us, then they dump on everyone...yet it's always the yanks that get it..
A pitiless. Vicious country that seemingly people are terrified to pummell
Alan Henning beheaded on 17:11 - Oct 5 by perchrockjack
With all due respect Andrew, that s rather patronising.
If you don't believe ussr represented true socialism ,uou re morenuts that I thought. There again, china under Mao, Cuba under Castro ,what were they then.
Scar gill had nowt but praise for Cuba and Galloway a big fan.
Sometimes ,you drop your guard on here.
Agree to disagree..
In life, you either look after yourself or let the state do it.
FinaLly, not surprisingly my initial question not answered
I'm always happy to agree to disagree, Perch but if you think the old USSR represented "true socialism/communism" then I have to question if you know what that is. There's a difference between socialism and communism for a start. The old Soviet states were ruled by communist parties as is China still. As you have so rightly said in the past, "true" socialism/communism can't exist in practice because human nature doesn't allow it to. Ergo, by your own admission, the old USSR could not possibly have been "true" socialism/communism. Democratic socialism can and does though, not least in the UK in the recent past.
What you keep doing is mixing up dictatorships with socialism and communism. It's almost as if you think all dictators espouse their own version of these creeds. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that dictators come from all sides of the political spectrum. It's disingenuous to suggest, as you keep doing, that all dictators are of "the left" just as it would be disingenuous for me to suggest that all Tory voters are selfish tw*ts.
Alan Henning beheaded on 17:21 - Oct 5 by perchrockjack
What you post is neither correct nor the truth, nor is mine necessarily. The difference is I accept that.
Well all have our own opinions, Perch. Isn't that how it works? You seem to take it as a personal affront when someone challenges yours though for some reason.
Didn't we used to have fun on here many years ago...?
S'alright I'll close the door on the way out...
No monster me, sadly no saint either.
On the old site we used to, yes. Many posters are going this way though, out of the door. It won't matter, as long as Darran is here the site lives on!
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Alan Henning beheaded on 22:16 - Oct 5 with 1788 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 10:31 - Oct 5 by Brynmill_Jack
Someone educated and politically aware. And probably like the rest of us not celebrating the beheading of an innocent man either. Tw*t
and yet for someone so 'educated and politically aware' he has himself with his 'ooh, edgy' comment fallen into the trap of mistaking the murdering godless IS scum that we along with many, many other countries are currently trying to eradicate with Moslems at large in an attempt to make an 'controversial' attack against Cameron (and believe me I am no fan of Cameron).
What is interesting is that if Cameron and the Tories themselves had confused the peaceful Islamic population of this country and the world at large with IS, he, along with the sheep that have favourited and retweeted him all over the internet, would have been up in arms.
He left the world of clever behind him an awfully long time ago, and in a desperate attempt to rediscover his edge, resorts to the type of 'shock jock' tactics that have the intelligence of Bernard Manning. It's pretty easy to be offensive.
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Alan Henning beheaded on 00:30 - Oct 6 with 1738 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 22:16 - Oct 5 by londonlisa2001
and yet for someone so 'educated and politically aware' he has himself with his 'ooh, edgy' comment fallen into the trap of mistaking the murdering godless IS scum that we along with many, many other countries are currently trying to eradicate with Moslems at large in an attempt to make an 'controversial' attack against Cameron (and believe me I am no fan of Cameron).
What is interesting is that if Cameron and the Tories themselves had confused the peaceful Islamic population of this country and the world at large with IS, he, along with the sheep that have favourited and retweeted him all over the internet, would have been up in arms.
He left the world of clever behind him an awfully long time ago, and in a desperate attempt to rediscover his edge, resorts to the type of 'shock jock' tactics that have the intelligence of Bernard Manning. It's pretty easy to be offensive.
Nope, I'm pretty sure the bombs reference could apply to any one of thousands allied bombers have dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 10-20 years. Our country has attacked "Moslems at large" for a long time and generally quite indiscriminately. Hell, Cameron was only stopped in attacking Assad WITH ISIL forces by parliament last year! Over to you Lisa!
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Alan Henning beheaded on 01:14 - Oct 6 with 1713 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 00:30 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack
Nope, I'm pretty sure the bombs reference could apply to any one of thousands allied bombers have dropped in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 10-20 years. Our country has attacked "Moslems at large" for a long time and generally quite indiscriminately. Hell, Cameron was only stopped in attacking Assad WITH ISIL forces by parliament last year! Over to you Lisa!
nah - it was a reference to now, done without thought or wit, to get a cheap laugh and to appear relevant at a time when his career is disappearing down the toilet.
It also fails to recognise that the vast, vast majority of the Moslem world supports the actions being taken at the moment since the biggest victims of IS are Moslems themselves, both Sunni and Shia who are being killed in their thousands.
There have been many actions over the past 10 years or so that I fundamentally and vehemently disagree with, not least the Iraq war, and I also was totally against action in Syria last year, but his comment yesterday was crass and unjustified, much as his comments about Katie Price's son, people with Downs Syndrome, Scottish Independence and Rebecca Adlington have been.
He is an appalling man, and should spend less time bullying others and more time bringing up the children he neglected for years, in order to maximise his career and income (since maximising income is fine for 'comedians' who spend vast amounts of their time criticising anyone else who tries to maximise their income). Bloody hypocrite.
Sorry Brynnie - as you can tell, I cannot bear him :-)
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Alan Henning beheaded on 06:34 - Oct 6 with 1671 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 01:14 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001
nah - it was a reference to now, done without thought or wit, to get a cheap laugh and to appear relevant at a time when his career is disappearing down the toilet.
It also fails to recognise that the vast, vast majority of the Moslem world supports the actions being taken at the moment since the biggest victims of IS are Moslems themselves, both Sunni and Shia who are being killed in their thousands.
There have been many actions over the past 10 years or so that I fundamentally and vehemently disagree with, not least the Iraq war, and I also was totally against action in Syria last year, but his comment yesterday was crass and unjustified, much as his comments about Katie Price's son, people with Downs Syndrome, Scottish Independence and Rebecca Adlington have been.
He is an appalling man, and should spend less time bullying others and more time bringing up the children he neglected for years, in order to maximise his career and income (since maximising income is fine for 'comedians' who spend vast amounts of their time criticising anyone else who tries to maximise their income). Bloody hypocrite.
Sorry Brynnie - as you can tell, I cannot bear him :-)
The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though
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Alan Henning beheaded on 07:42 - Oct 6 with 1646 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 01:14 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001
nah - it was a reference to now, done without thought or wit, to get a cheap laugh and to appear relevant at a time when his career is disappearing down the toilet.
It also fails to recognise that the vast, vast majority of the Moslem world supports the actions being taken at the moment since the biggest victims of IS are Moslems themselves, both Sunni and Shia who are being killed in their thousands.
There have been many actions over the past 10 years or so that I fundamentally and vehemently disagree with, not least the Iraq war, and I also was totally against action in Syria last year, but his comment yesterday was crass and unjustified, much as his comments about Katie Price's son, people with Downs Syndrome, Scottish Independence and Rebecca Adlington have been.
He is an appalling man, and should spend less time bullying others and more time bringing up the children he neglected for years, in order to maximise his career and income (since maximising income is fine for 'comedians' who spend vast amounts of their time criticising anyone else who tries to maximise their income). Bloody hypocrite.
Sorry Brynnie - as you can tell, I cannot bear him :-)
No and I can understand exactly why, and I've gone on to say on this thread I'm not keen at all on his shock tactics. He does himself no favours by abusing those who can't fight back.
Has he neglected his own kids? That's quite an accusation unless you know something I don't then fair enough.
I'm pretty sure that as vile as you perceive him to be he has no truck or sympathy for IS. You may be right about his tweet being aimed at Cameron over this bombing raid but he's been very consistent over his opposition over all of the interventions in the Middle East by us and our "allies".
For the record I hope the bombing raid is a success and they wipe these people out and I look forward to hearing that end result has been achieved and all of the victories in it's lead up. Seriously.
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Alan Henning beheaded on 11:58 - Oct 6 with 1584 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 07:42 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack
No and I can understand exactly why, and I've gone on to say on this thread I'm not keen at all on his shock tactics. He does himself no favours by abusing those who can't fight back.
Has he neglected his own kids? That's quite an accusation unless you know something I don't then fair enough.
I'm pretty sure that as vile as you perceive him to be he has no truck or sympathy for IS. You may be right about his tweet being aimed at Cameron over this bombing raid but he's been very consistent over his opposition over all of the interventions in the Middle East by us and our "allies".
For the record I hope the bombing raid is a success and they wipe these people out and I look forward to hearing that end result has been achieved and all of the victories in it's lead up. Seriously.
oh, believe me, I don't think for one second that he's not as appalled at the actions of IS as any other person - I think he's a pig of a man, but I would think that utter horror at the actions they are taking against innocent people, whether they be British or any other nationality is a given across the board apart from a few extreme cases.
The reference to his children is regarding an admission that he has made himself on a number of occasions - he freely admits (or at least has done) that he spent little time with them when he was running around the country to further his own career. And again, for the record myself, I have no problem with anyone who is against the actions that we or our Allies have taken over the past 10 years - I am against most of them myself, but to make a facetious comment that could result in stirring up yet more trouble within the Moslem community here for the sake of scoring a cheap laugh at Cameron's expense is wrong (in my opinion of course).
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Alan Henning beheaded on 17:30 - Oct 6 with 1506 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 12:11 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001
oh, believe me, I don't think for one second that he's not as appalled at the actions of IS as any other person - I think he's a pig of a man, but I would think that utter horror at the actions they are taking against innocent people, whether they be British or any other nationality is a given across the board apart from a few extreme cases.
The reference to his children is regarding an admission that he has made himself on a number of occasions - he freely admits (or at least has done) that he spent little time with them when he was running around the country to further his own career. And again, for the record myself, I have no problem with anyone who is against the actions that we or our Allies have taken over the past 10 years - I am against most of them myself, but to make a facetious comment that could result in stirring up yet more trouble within the Moslem community here for the sake of scoring a cheap laugh at Cameron's expense is wrong (in my opinion of course).
I think he's playing the Galloway card a bit, but without the style of Gorgeous George
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Alan Henning beheaded on 18:31 - Oct 6 with 1467 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 18:24 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack
I think he's playing the Galloway card a bit, but without the style of Gorgeous George
yes - you may be right, although the last time I saw the gorgeous mr Galloway was on that Scottish 16 year olds referendum debate when he looked like a cross between Boy George and one of the Specials.
Even he has been remarkably circumspect in his comments about the IS killings - I think he described them as 'satan in human form' or similar rather than attempt to blame the government in some way.
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Alan Henning beheaded on 19:00 - Oct 6 with 1441 views
Alan Henning beheaded on 18:31 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001
yes - you may be right, although the last time I saw the gorgeous mr Galloway was on that Scottish 16 year olds referendum debate when he looked like a cross between Boy George and one of the Specials.
Even he has been remarkably circumspect in his comments about the IS killings - I think he described them as 'satan in human form' or similar rather than attempt to blame the government in some way.
The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though
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Alan Henning beheaded on 20:09 - Oct 6 with 1394 views
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