| Alan Henning beheaded 21:26 - Oct 3 with 18278 views | Darran |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:31 - Oct 7 with 1469 views | GreatBritton |
Only a few posters here make the crucial distinction between ideology and idealogue. Socialism is the former, and it predicates a view that some members of society are less able to enjoy the fruits of education, culture, affluence and so forth, but that they are still valuable members of society. Because that is what SOCIETY means - inclusion. Ideologues are usually people who rant, like the often invidious Danny Boyle, but also the equally invidious Camerons, Boris Johnsons and, unfortunately, right wing posters on this site. |  | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 14:12 - Oct 7 with 1427 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 22:22 - Oct 6 by Shaky |
I'm not really current with George's latest views, but it seems reasonable to assume he means that if the Saddam regime were still in place there is no way IS would have risen to anything remotely resembling its current importance.
And it's is a very good point, especially as US/UK policy makers are well known to be desperate for some credible strongman to emerge in Iraq that can ruthlessly stamp out this insurrection.
Unfortunately not only does it require a suitable candidate, but also some deft PR work to make it fit for mass media consumption. |
yes I think he means that as well and as I said it's a difficult one to judge. The reason I say that is because on the face of it, prior to September 11 we were not there (i.e. Saddam was in place) and the terrorist atrocities still happened - not just 9/11 but they had prior to that been attacking US embassies and so on. So, although I understand and partially support the view that we just pull out of the region completely and leave, for example, Saudi to implement some system of control, I remain unconvinced that within a relatively short space of time, IS, or some other loose network of radical haters wouldn't still attack us. Basically because they hate the West and everything that we stand for since it doesn't fit into their mediaeval world view. I say that as someone that definitely did not support the invasion of Iraq by the way.
I definitely agree though that it is vital that any action over there is fully supported by the wider Moslem community and countries, which it appears that this is, hence my annoyance at the mistaken muddying of the waters between an attack on a very specific network of absolute animals with an attack on 'Moslems'. Their religion is utterly irrelevant to their behaviour. |  | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 14:15 - Oct 7 with 1422 views | Darran |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:31 - Oct 7 by GreatBritton |
Only a few posters here make the crucial distinction between ideology and idealogue. Socialism is the former, and it predicates a view that some members of society are less able to enjoy the fruits of education, culture, affluence and so forth, but that they are still valuable members of society. Because that is what SOCIETY means - inclusion. Ideologues are usually people who rant, like the often invidious Danny Boyle, but also the equally invidious Camerons, Boris Johnsons and, unfortunately, right wing posters on this site. |
Well I can't speak for everyone but I quite enjoyed Slumdog Millionaire myself. | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 14:38 - Oct 7 with 1399 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 14:15 - Oct 7 by Darran |
Well I can't speak for everyone but I quite enjoyed Slumdog Millionaire myself. |
friend of mine wrote that (film not book) :-) | | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 15:45 - Oct 7 with 1368 views | GreatBritton |
Frankie, I mean, dammit | | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 17:30 - Oct 7 with 1329 views | perchrockjack |
he rally was beheaded then and its not an American plot | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 09:03 - Oct 9 with 1250 views | epaul |
Taken from elsewhere
"Two comments on a Guardian article about the Sun's coverage of ISIS I thought I'd share with you,
Mohammed Ali:
"As a British born, raised and educated Muslim I strongly condemn IS/ISIS, as do my Muslims and non Muslim mates. I would also like to thank those on here who thank god believe us when we (British Muslims) say we do speak out loudly against killing and violence etc, but our voices are often muted by the media who do not show us protesting and being vocal against the extremists, who try to hijack our faith, and make up lies about Islam to justify their evil acts. For example, 1000s of Muslims demonstrated against the extremists who killed Lee Rigby, yet very few papers reported it - think i saw the article on the Belfast Telegraph only, it is sad for me as a young well educated Muslim who is proud to be British to feel the media does not support the mainstream moderate Muslims, esp when we try to be good vocal citizens standing up for equality, truth and peace amongst all ppl, be they black, white, of faith or atheists, all these values I have been bought up are from my parents who follow Islam; to do charity daily, help my elderly neighbours many of whom are white English and very warm, to respect life, be humble, get educated, give back to society and look after parents when they are frail- that is Islam to me. Anyway I hope and pray for peace for all in the UK beyond. Life is so precious, bigots and terrorists should be ashamed of themselves."
Vincent:
"On behalf of sane white British people, I apologise to all Muslims for The Sun. It's an extremist organisation and it does not represent us as a people." |  |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 12:36 - Oct 9 with 1212 views | MillJack |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 09:03 - Oct 9 by epaul |
Taken from elsewhere
"Two comments on a Guardian article about the Sun's coverage of ISIS I thought I'd share with you,
Mohammed Ali:
"As a British born, raised and educated Muslim I strongly condemn IS/ISIS, as do my Muslims and non Muslim mates. I would also like to thank those on here who thank god believe us when we (British Muslims) say we do speak out loudly against killing and violence etc, but our voices are often muted by the media who do not show us protesting and being vocal against the extremists, who try to hijack our faith, and make up lies about Islam to justify their evil acts. For example, 1000s of Muslims demonstrated against the extremists who killed Lee Rigby, yet very few papers reported it - think i saw the article on the Belfast Telegraph only, it is sad for me as a young well educated Muslim who is proud to be British to feel the media does not support the mainstream moderate Muslims, esp when we try to be good vocal citizens standing up for equality, truth and peace amongst all ppl, be they black, white, of faith or atheists, all these values I have been bought up are from my parents who follow Islam; to do charity daily, help my elderly neighbours many of whom are white English and very warm, to respect life, be humble, get educated, give back to society and look after parents when they are frail- that is Islam to me. Anyway I hope and pray for peace for all in the UK beyond. Life is so precious, bigots and terrorists should be ashamed of themselves."
Vincent:
"On behalf of sane white British people, I apologise to all Muslims for The Sun. It's an extremist organisation and it does not represent us as a people." |
FFS don't post stuff like that one here, certain posters will go into meltdown. They're all the same see, these Muslims. |  | | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 12:47 - Oct 9 with 1199 views | perchrockjack |
No they are not, but as as islam is central to this issue, it is a Muslim Problem as it would be if we had southern Baptists of the same mind set.
It really should be the case that 200,000 +muslims demonstrate on the streets of London ,"not in my name".
IS are taking the word of Allah literally and it needs to be made clear to them they are wrong and that can only be done by their own people/religion. | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 12:53 - Oct 9 with 1196 views | Darran |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 12:36 - Oct 9 by MillJack |
FFS don't post stuff like that one here, certain posters will go into meltdown. They're all the same see, these Muslims. |
Im staggered as to why you say that especially when nobody "on here" was actually saying it.
The thread was about the horrific mutder of a British subject. | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 12:56 - Oct 9 with 1189 views | perchrockjack |
because anyone who raises the questions that most are thinking is seen as reactionary and in some way anti Arab.
It s just as well the Jews/Israel cant be blamed for this- or can they | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:01 - Oct 9 with 1185 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
So then ,where are the Turks , they can see them from their bedroom window ? |  |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:19 - Oct 9 with 1173 views | Free_Willy |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:01 - Oct 9 by oh_tommy_tommy |
So then ,where are the Turks , they can see them from their bedroom window ? |
It's not in Turkeys national interest to help the Kurds. |  | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:41 - Oct 9 with 1165 views | MillJack |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 12:56 - Oct 9 by perchrockjack |
because anyone who raises the questions that most are thinking is seen as reactionary and in some way anti Arab.
It s just as well the Jews/Israel cant be blamed for this- or can they |
In a similar way to those who raise questions about Israel being seen as anti-Jewish/Israeli eh Perch? | | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:44 - Oct 9 with 1159 views | MillJack |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 12:53 - Oct 9 by Darran |
Im staggered as to why you say that especially when nobody "on here" was actually saying it.
The thread was about the horrific mutder of a British subject. |
You're an intelligent man Darran so surely you don't need me to point out that this thread has moven on somewhat since the OP?
By "on here" I clearly meant this messageboard as you well know, and there have been many who have labelled all Muslims the same as well as there have been many who have stated that "nobody" in the Muslim communitu seem to be speaking out against ISIS, even when it is clearly untrue. | | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:48 - Oct 9 with 1152 views | Darran |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:44 - Oct 9 by MillJack |
You're an intelligent man Darran so surely you don't need me to point out that this thread has moven on somewhat since the OP?
By "on here" I clearly meant this messageboard as you well know, and there have been many who have labelled all Muslims the same as well as there have been many who have stated that "nobody" in the Muslim communitu seem to be speaking out against ISIS, even when it is clearly untrue. |
I don't agree with you that there have been many,a small minority yes but certainly not many. | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:48 - Oct 9 with 1151 views | perchrockjack |
Eh, eh.
Possibly, mill | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 14:15 - Oct 9 with 1117 views | MillJack |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 13:48 - Oct 9 by Darran |
I don't agree with you that there have been many,a small minority yes but certainly not many. |
OK I'll take that on board and retract the original statement. One is too many though let's be honest! | | | |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 14:22 - Oct 9 with 1115 views | Darran |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 14:15 - Oct 9 by MillJack |
OK I'll take that on board and retract the original statement. One is too many though let's be honest! |
I agree with you. | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 17:10 - Oct 10 with 1019 views | epaul |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/alan-henning-muslim-community-in-
Alan Henning: Muslim community in Bolton raises £30,000 in memory of British aid worker
Alan Henning was kidnapped while travelling to Syria as part of an aid convoy
JAMES RUSH Thursday 09 October 2014
The Muslim community in Bolton has raised £30,000 in memory of murdered British aid worker Alan Henning.
The father-of-two was kidnapped last December while travelling to Syria as part of a Muslim aid convoy which set off from Bolton with the intention of delivering toys and presents to Syrian children.
He was killed by Isis who posted a video online of his apparent beheading on Friday.
A total of £30,000 has now been raised in the town in Greater Manchester to help fund projects in his memory, the Bolton News has reported.
In a statement released this week the Bolton Council of Mosques said: "We would now like to support the funds set up to help provide financial support for Alan's family and other ongoing projects to benefit those in need to ensure his legacy continues."
On Sunday, thousands paid tribute to Mr Henning in his home town of Salford.
Alan Henning was abducted while delivering aid to Syrian children Alan Henning was abducted while delivering aid to Syrian children
A minute's silence was held by rugby union fans ahead of the Sale Sharks' game with London Wasps while services were staged in churches and mosques.
The 47-year-old taxi driver's humanitarian deeds were recalled at Eccles parish church, next door to the minicab firm where he worked.
Floral tributes and notes of condolence were also placed at the foot of Eccles Cross in the town centre.
The Bishop of Manchester, the Rt Rev David Walker, compared the sense of unity in loss to the aftermath of the 1996 IRA bomb which destroyed a large part of Manchester city centre and injured more than 200 people.
The city's Muslim leaders have spoken out vehemently against Mr Henning’s murder by Isis and many were among those paying tribute to the taxi driver. | |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 17:20 - Oct 10 with 1015 views | Lohengrin |
Who are you supposed to be now, Paul? Cat Stevens?  |  |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 17:26 - Oct 10 with 1008 views | Darran |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 17:20 - Oct 10 by Lohengrin |
Who are you supposed to be now, Paul? Cat Stevens? |
He's living in a Wild World mun. | |
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| Alan Henning beheaded on 17:29 - Oct 10 with 1006 views | Lohengrin |
| Alan Henning beheaded on 17:26 - Oct 10 by Darran |
He's living in a Wild World mun. |
It's left him Miles from Nowhere.  | |
| An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it. |
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