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Infection and hospital rates climbing rapidly. Death rates projected at 200 per day. Nearly 4m people at serious risk. New information coming out about the problems Covid cause the body if it doesn’t kill you. People laid up for the best part of a year with serious complications. Concern over the AstraZenica vaccine. Is it really wise to lift most of the restrictions on Monday? We have been told that we aren’t going back into another lockdown situation no matter what, but Whitty seems to think it might have to be on the cards.
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Third Covid Wave on 19:49 - Oct 24 with 1262 views
A few people might die but it's not a matter of getting a plaster or taking a pill and problem solved. There are huge consequences for locking down. Bringing in social distancing means closing nightclubs, businesses going bust as restaurants have to have less customers. How many lives will be lost or ruined by further restrictions. It's a very difficult problem. If it was as easy as stop that plane or put a plaster on it, it would be done. But there are also consequences for bringing restrictions.
Frankly I would put people’s lives before Night Clubs. Dead people don’t dance. They also don’t consume anything. I’ve mentioned it before but when people go on about lockdown as if making money is more important than keeping people alive and well it always reminds me of the Mayor of Amity in Jaws who keeps the beaches open on Bank Holiday weekend because he is more worried about putting money in the tills than saving lives. Businesses go to the wall all the time outside of pandemics and no one gives a shit apart from those directly effected.
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Third Covid Wave on 19:55 - Oct 24 with 1248 views
Frankly I would put people’s lives before Night Clubs. Dead people don’t dance. They also don’t consume anything. I’ve mentioned it before but when people go on about lockdown as if making money is more important than keeping people alive and well it always reminds me of the Mayor of Amity in Jaws who keeps the beaches open on Bank Holiday weekend because he is more worried about putting money in the tills than saving lives. Businesses go to the wall all the time outside of pandemics and no one gives a shit apart from those directly effected.
This is a massive shock, I was sure you’d want nightclubs to be kept open and young people to have a good time.
Frankly I would put people’s lives before Night Clubs. Dead people don’t dance. They also don’t consume anything. I’ve mentioned it before but when people go on about lockdown as if making money is more important than keeping people alive and well it always reminds me of the Mayor of Amity in Jaws who keeps the beaches open on Bank Holiday weekend because he is more worried about putting money in the tills than saving lives. Businesses go to the wall all the time outside of pandemics and no one gives a shit apart from those directly effected.
You are ok with people losing their jobs, homes, and quality of life to save a few lives of people (mostly the very old who have had their lives) who could be saved anyway by choosing to stay at home if they are vulnerable? Are you certain that suicides won't occur when working people have their lives destroyed?
My son runs a hospitality business. If social distancing comes in, he will lose his business and won't be able to pay the mortgage. That will devastate his life. It's a big decision to do these sort of things. You say money, but without it people can't pay the mortgage and could become homeless.
Frankly I would put people’s lives before Night Clubs. Dead people don’t dance. They also don’t consume anything. I’ve mentioned it before but when people go on about lockdown as if making money is more important than keeping people alive and well it always reminds me of the Mayor of Amity in Jaws who keeps the beaches open on Bank Holiday weekend because he is more worried about putting money in the tills than saving lives. Businesses go to the wall all the time outside of pandemics and no one gives a shit apart from those directly effected.
Thanks for this 68. He is right, morality over laws every time, not bowing the knee to covid tyranny, not playing these ridiculous covid games. If we all refuse, they would stop and we could reclaim our old normal. It actually is in our hands.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Third Covid Wave on 18:20 - Oct 27 with 1055 views
More libertarian nonsense from hairy coastal guy and TUI’s resident Covid-sceptic.
The vaccines don’t reduce transmission as much as hoped, but the scientific evidence is that they offer some measure of mitigation.
But what do you care 68, you’re maths is so poor, you still think that unvaccinated people aren’t at far greater risk of death.
Oh Bubbles...the greatest risk to children is having a vaccine they don't require..it will literally kill them for no reason at all ..there is a 47% rise in deaths reported in the 15/19 Yr old bracket..the timing is rather convenient for such a massive rise.
Erosion of freedom..well you don't even have the wherewithal to even compute that..
So keep those blinkers on Bubs, and keep getting those experimental jabs stuck into your previously amazing natural immune system..it was 99.007 effective against covid before you took the jab..let that sink into your cavernous gap between your deafened ears.
2 types here the over the top soggy types who want to lock down because of a few oldies dying and the mental anti vaxxers. It’s nearly over, take your boosters and by Christmas we’ll be home and hosed. I know loads of people who have had it recently, just a cold because they had the vaccine and kids that don’t really get ill.
Third Covid Wave on 19:08 - Oct 27 by cocklebreath
2 types here the over the top soggy types who want to lock down because of a few oldies dying and the mental anti vaxxers. It’s nearly over, take your boosters and by Christmas we’ll be home and hosed. I know loads of people who have had it recently, just a cold because they had the vaccine and kids that don’t really get ill.
Where did I say that I wanted another lockdown? Also it’s interesting to hear how little you value human lives.
Oh Bubbles...the greatest risk to children is having a vaccine they don't require..it will literally kill them for no reason at all ..there is a 47% rise in deaths reported in the 15/19 Yr old bracket..the timing is rather convenient for such a massive rise.
Erosion of freedom..well you don't even have the wherewithal to even compute that..
So keep those blinkers on Bubs, and keep getting those experimental jabs stuck into your previously amazing natural immune system..it was 99.007 effective against covid before you took the jab..let that sink into your cavernous gap between your deafened ears.
It’s a toxic combination for you. A desperate attachment to libertarianism coupled with the maths skills of a cretin.
No 47% rise. No plan to whittle away our rights. No argument in ‚natural immunity‘ against vaccinations.
Just post after post of lies, twisted ‚statistics‘ and paranoia.
Third Covid Wave on 19:08 - Oct 27 by cocklebreath
2 types here the over the top soggy types who want to lock down because of a few oldies dying and the mental anti vaxxers. It’s nearly over, take your boosters and by Christmas we’ll be home and hosed. I know loads of people who have had it recently, just a cold because they had the vaccine and kids that don’t really get ill.
Just one more booster of the same experimental vaccine that doesn't prevent illness or transmission. Then another dose of the secret ingredients in 6 months time injected into your blood stream, and another for the rest of your life. What's your cut off point Cockle?
I agree with one thing you say - I too know loads of vaccinated people who have got covid again - they all say the same - it was really nasty but if I hadn't been jabbed it may have killed me (even though they are all under 60 and only ever had a miniscule chance of dying before the jab). The unvaxed people I know just arent getting covid. All a bit weird, don't you think?
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
Where did I say that I wanted another lockdown? Also it’s interesting to hear how little you value human lives.
I agree with you on this Sogs. Glib references to old people dying does not go down well with me. All human life should have value and dignity. Focused protection of the old and vulnerable would have prevented this sort of sentiment. Lockdowns only encourage scapegoating.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
Just one more booster of the same experimental vaccine that doesn't prevent illness or transmission. Then another dose of the secret ingredients in 6 months time injected into your blood stream, and another for the rest of your life. What's your cut off point Cockle?
I agree with one thing you say - I too know loads of vaccinated people who have got covid again - they all say the same - it was really nasty but if I hadn't been jabbed it may have killed me (even though they are all under 60 and only ever had a miniscule chance of dying before the jab). The unvaxed people I know just arent getting covid. All a bit weird, don't you think?
Two paragraphs of misinformation.
Shameful stuff Jelly. The evidence about the effectiveness of the vaccines is clear.
Just one more booster of the same experimental vaccine that doesn't prevent illness or transmission. Then another dose of the secret ingredients in 6 months time injected into your blood stream, and another for the rest of your life. What's your cut off point Cockle?
I agree with one thing you say - I too know loads of vaccinated people who have got covid again - they all say the same - it was really nasty but if I hadn't been jabbed it may have killed me (even though they are all under 60 and only ever had a miniscule chance of dying before the jab). The unvaxed people I know just arent getting covid. All a bit weird, don't you think?
There are no secret ingredients. We aren't talking about Coca Cola here but vaccines that are highly scrutinised. Should we stop have an annual flu vaccine too?
Third Covid Wave on 19:08 - Oct 27 by cocklebreath
2 types here the over the top soggy types who want to lock down because of a few oldies dying and the mental anti vaxxers. It’s nearly over, take your boosters and by Christmas we’ll be home and hosed. I know loads of people who have had it recently, just a cold because they had the vaccine and kids that don’t really get ill.
Shameful stuff Jelly. The evidence about the effectiveness of the vaccines is clear.
Where's the misinformation?
That the jab is not experimental? That the jab does not prevent illness or transmission? That we have no idea how many booster jabs they are planning? That my personal experience and testimony (not abstract statistics) is I know no one who died or got seriously ill with covid, but I know a vaccine death and vaccine injuries? That if you are under 60 and healthy your chances of dying from Covid are miniscule? That I know a lot of jabbed friends getting Covid? That my unjabbed friends are not getting Covid?
Cry "Misinformation" all you like but you, the nudge unit propaganda, the BBC et al can not deny me of my own truth.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
It’s a toxic combination for you. A desperate attachment to libertarianism coupled with the maths skills of a cretin.
No 47% rise. No plan to whittle away our rights. No argument in ‚natural immunity‘ against vaccinations.
Just post after post of lies, twisted ‚statistics‘ and paranoia.
Oh deary me Bubbles..you really are starting to sound unhinged again, aren't you.
Just more facts Bubs and observations..no bullshit or misinformation....and yet you have the audacity to call me a cretin, probably best you go and hide behind mummy,you blinkered little Baby.
If only I could become an all trusting, non questioning conformist sheep.....
Or a human being as they're also known.
We've taken a lot of vaccines in our lifetimes, yes this has been developed quicker than the others, but I've had no effects from any of them other than a sore arm.
Thousands of people a day were dying before the vaccines were rolled out now it's a tenth of this (and even less than that in other European countries) so that's pretty good evidence they are doing good.
Just get on with your life mate, we can go to football, have a drink with mates, go on the train, all the things we could pre-covid, it's just a bit different now and we have to make some small concessions like wearing masks at certain times.
Thinking there is some mass conspiracy and all of world humanity is being controlled by governments and mass-media is complicit in this is a little bit mental really isn't it?
The idea that everyone is being taken in apart from those 'non-sheep' sounds a bit Day of the Triffids to me but whatever floats your boat I guess.
"Playing Devil's Advocate since 15th January 2014"
We've taken a lot of vaccines in our lifetimes, yes this has been developed quicker than the others, but I've had no effects from any of them other than a sore arm.
Thousands of people a day were dying before the vaccines were rolled out now it's a tenth of this (and even less than that in other European countries) so that's pretty good evidence they are doing good.
Just get on with your life mate, we can go to football, have a drink with mates, go on the train, all the things we could pre-covid, it's just a bit different now and we have to make some small concessions like wearing masks at certain times.
Thinking there is some mass conspiracy and all of world humanity is being controlled by governments and mass-media is complicit in this is a little bit mental really isn't it?
The idea that everyone is being taken in apart from those 'non-sheep' sounds a bit Day of the Triffids to me but whatever floats your boat I guess.
Don't worry Mate, I have been getting on with my life from day 1, with out hardly making a single concession, except keeping a bit more distance from my parents at the very start, when I thought we may have a real pandemic on our hands. Otherwise I appear to have supernatural strength as I have carried on working, travelling and socialising with out being burdened by all the rules that others have been terrified into keeping, I must be truly exceptional or perhaps I have an immune system that can cope with a respiratory illness like 99% of us.
The end result of this covid fiasco will be more rules and more poverty, do you not agree and it gets us used to more restrictions and more taxes re Climate change? Call it conspiracy if you like....
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
Thanks for this 68. He is right, morality over laws every time, not bowing the knee to covid tyranny, not playing these ridiculous covid games. If we all refuse, they would stop and we could reclaim our old normal. It actually is in our hands.
It's nice to see so many more previously brainwashed people starting to question the narrative..
It isn't just a case of take your vaccine fall in line...uptake is waning due to people finally realising there is something disconcerting happening.
It's nice to see so many more previously brainwashed people starting to question the narrative..
It isn't just a case of take your vaccine fall in line...uptake is waning due to people finally realising there is something disconcerting happening.
No, uptake is waning because the only people left to take the vaccine are the cretins like you and Jelly, and the gullible fools who have taken your tripe seriously.
It’s a really uncomfortable truth for you, because it just doesn’t fit with your paranoid view of a world full of evil scientists all out to get you, but the vaccines have worked, and ironically for you the fact that they work means that restrictions are being lifted left, right and centre. So so much too for the mad theories of an assault on freedom from you and coastal-walking-weirdo.
No, uptake is waning because the only people left to take the vaccine are the cretins like you and Jelly, and the gullible fools who have taken your tripe seriously.
It’s a really uncomfortable truth for you, because it just doesn’t fit with your paranoid view of a world full of evil scientists all out to get you, but the vaccines have worked, and ironically for you the fact that they work means that restrictions are being lifted left, right and centre. So so much too for the mad theories of an assault on freedom from you and coastal-walking-weirdo.
Crashing and burning at every turn 68.
Your anger and disgust at the non vaccinated means you are directing this abuse at minority groups who have a much lower uptake of the vaccine. Unpleasant stuff.
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