| Not good enough 18:04 - Oct 26 with 5717 views | macclesfieldman |
I think I'm level headed and this is not a reaction to today.
Harry and the team have punched above our weight so far this season.
Most of our games have been against teams in the bottom half of the league and yet we have consistently rode our luck to get 1-0 wins.
When Harry has to sign players that no-one else wants to fill the squad out, our 2 center halves are 70 between them and we have 1 fit decent striker it should not come as a surprise if we struggle to stay at the top over a 46 game season.
The cracks are appearing now, 1 point from 6 and 4 goals conceded.
The bright spots for me is the form of Green, Dunne, Hill, Simpson & Barton but 5 players wont get us promoted. | |
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| Not good enough on 18:11 - Oct 26 with 4148 views | bosh67 |
To be fair we were 30 seconds away from getting 3 points last week. It's simple to me, we have to play Austin and chevanton or AJ as a front 2. | |
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| Not good enough on 18:12 - Oct 26 with 4141 views | CroydonCaptJack |
The cracks are beginning to appear. One away defeat away to the leaders. Give me strength! | | | |
| Not good enough on 18:19 - Oct 26 with 4096 views | SpiritofGregory |
I agree, most of us have had the feeling that our wins were not convincing even against poor opposition. We need to poach Burnley's chief scout.
What worries me is the lack of fight and commitment in our players, this is something you can't instill in a player, you either have it or you don't. | | | |
| Not good enough on 18:41 - Oct 26 with 4017 views | ShackletonR |
So the bright spot for you was the form of Dunne and Hill, yet you say they have a combined age of 70, suggesting there not good enough so which one of those point's is valid.
I take our loss to day as a possitive as now we don't have the pressure to stay unbeaten, just like our first loss in 2010-2011 season. | |
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| Not good enough on 19:05 - Oct 26 with 3936 views | PlumsteadQPR |
If somebody in the summer had said that QPR would be the last team in England to lose a game AND that the defeat wouldn't come until the R's end of October AND that we'd have been in the top 2 or 3 all season I'm pretty sure that most of us would have at best said 'unlikely'.
It's true that we have been unimpressive in many games but it's also true that we have achieved everything listed above.
I feel that today's defeat feels much more cataclysmic than it really needs to because:
(a)it was against the team directly above us and therefore a (current) direct rival for either the title or promotion
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(b)it came on the back of last week's draw at Millwall - one of those draws that feel like a defeat and 2 points dropped rather than 1 point gained.
Comparing this season to 2010/11 is effectively pointless as contexts change but I think that it was round about now that we slipped behind Cardiff in the table but we came back. When we finally lost to Watford I think we lost two or three out the next five but we came back. I think there was a stretch of about two months where we drew the majority of games but we came back.
I don't for one second think that the team spirit in this current team is anything like the team spirit that NW engendered in 2010/11 but I do believe that it is good. I do believe that the squad like each other, respect each other and want to succeed together. That in itself is a victory considering last season.
Will we win the league? I don't know.
Will we get promoted? I don't know.
Will we be there or thereabouts? Definitely. A late equaliser and a first defeat of the season hasn't changed my mind on this.
My only real point of confusion at the moment is why Redknapp keeps flinging Jenas on... | | | |
| Not good enough on 19:14 - Oct 26 with 3894 views | loftboy |
Good post, we just have to accept we will be 2nd best on occasions, no disgrace losing to a team with a great work ethic and on a great run. We have no right to beat anyone.
I would like to see Chevaton start alongside Austin as i think he could initially suprise a few teams. | |
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| Not good enough on 19:15 - Oct 26 with 3887 views | MedwayR |
Agree, for a lot of last season we played with only 1 striker & we managed to score 30 goals in 38 games. We've played the majority of this season with 1 striker & scored 14 goals in 11 games. Unless you have a striker suited to the lone role & midfielders capable of supporting him then it should be avoided in my opinion.
Having said that, even when we've had 2 up front the midfield have often been too deep to support them. Part of the issue in the past has been the lack of pace at CB dragging the whole team back into deeper positions, I fear that this may be the case again but also that we genuinely lack intent when we have the ball, too many backwards passes & not willing to take a gamble, the Brighton game being a good example. | |
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| Not good enough on 19:31 - Oct 26 with 3811 views | THEBUSH |
Funny how we see things differently, I thought the commitment was there, but HR got the tactics wrong, that it was frustrating to watch.
Burnley are an attacking team and just sitting back and trying to defend was inviting them to score, imo. | | | |
| Not good enough on 20:18 - Oct 26 with 3671 views | DylanP |
Quote ["...our 2 center halves are 70 between them..."}
Yes and our five midfielders are a 120 between them! Probably should be dead by now!! What the hell does that mean?? If you mean that they are both over 30, then say so, coz their combined age is completely irrelevant.
Did you think we were going to go unbeaten all season? No, of course you didn't. If so, then an away defeat to the top team in the division is probably about right. It would have been nice to get a win against the top team, but if you have to lose, it might as well be to the top team. Its not cracks appearing or us being found out. Its that the better the opposition, the harder it is to play the way you want; so things you want to do don't come off and players who look world class against lesser teams, don't look quite so good. | |
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| Not good enough on 20:28 - Oct 26 with 3631 views | QPR1882 |
We have taken 1 point out of a possible 6 in our last 2 games. The manager has made a couple of tactical errors and the defence has not looked as solid. Do we expect not to lose a game, I don't I expect us to lose a few this year, I just hope it's because the oppo are a lot better and not because we got the tactics wrong.
Hope it is just a coincidence that Steve McClaren left and we have had a 2 game blip. | | | |
| Not good enough on 20:31 - Oct 26 with 3614 views | Antti_Heinola |
I don't think we're punching above our weight at all. We have been fortunate in games, unfortunate in others, been poor in a couple, solid and hard in others and very good in two or three. The OP can complain all he wants about the failings in the squad, but the fact is that on paper we have, by far, the best squad in this league. Harry has lacked for nothing. The board have backed him and he's twice spent £4m on players - unthinkable for us even three seasons ago. He's made us into a decent team, but it's still a work in progress and we will get beaten. I'm not too worried - we'll be top 4 or 5 this season.
Fair play to Burnley and to Dyche, who appears to be a very good managerial prospect - the type we should be looking for when Harry eventually leaves. | |
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| Not good enough on 20:47 - Oct 26 with 3564 views | Trom |
For all the doom and gloom today actually I noticed in the last 4 seasons we've been the last team to loose a game twice. In 2010/11 and now again in 2013/14. Sandwiched between between the two premiership seasons of pain.
Don't you just love the roller coaster that is the Rs.
Personally I think we've got a very decent squad. Wouldn't say we've sorted it all going forward but we do have useful players throughout the team.
Some posters do seem a little bipolar on all this. When we win we're the best and when we loose it's the end of the world. Some other posters are permanently pessimistic or overly optimistic.
For the majority I suspect the feeling is that we are strong but in a division like this that's so tight we're not going to win all out games. Nor do most of the teams behind us. Burnley are top and for good reason. Fair play to them as it's nice to see a smaller club playing decent football and bringing players through.
It would be nice, although I won't hold my breath, for us to be a little less histrionic in the outpourings when we loose one game. Good lord I was worried that we'd do a Wolves! | | | |
| Not good enough on 20:50 - Oct 26 with 3550 views | YorkRanger |
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| Not good enough on 20:57 - Oct 26 with 3516 views | AgedR |
Before the season I'd have taken mid table.
Well done QPR for exceeding my hopes so far.
Stop listening to the media. We have no right to waltz this league. | |
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| Not good enough on 01:28 - Oct 27 with 3302 views | queensparker |
Well said | | | |
| Not good enough on 01:38 - Oct 27 with 3290 views | Hooparoo |
Burnley were good but not unbeatable. We played at too low a tempo and let them press us. Much as I hate to admit it, Harry got out thought today. | |
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| Not good enough on 06:54 - Oct 27 with 3175 views | Aussie_Claret |
"Harry and the team have punched above our weight so far this season."
Almost lost for words... 
With the largest budget and wage bill in the entire division, you think you are 'punching above your weight?'
Pick a prize son, any off the top shelf will do!  | | | |
| Not good enough on 07:14 - Oct 27 with 3153 views | essextaxiboy |
What you need to understand is that we have a large no of " fans" who are anti Rednapp . They have cheered our start through gritted teeth , they have had to resort to slagging him off about substitutions and selection. A defeat gives them a juicy bone to chew on . | | | |
| Not good enough on 07:20 - Oct 27 with 3142 views | Watford_Ranger |
I'd like to think Redknapp won't overreact. Moving to 4-4-2 wouldn't play to our strengths at all. Maybe Onyewu should come in eventually if Hill and Dunne aren't quite doing it but they've both been superb for two months.
We've got good attacking options on the way back from injury (Phillips, Johnson, even SWP). There's nothing to unduly worry about. Burnley are in superb form and fair play to them but their squad is thin and they'll be dragged back into the chasing pack sooner or later. | | | |
| Not good enough on 08:05 - Oct 27 with 3097 views | Aussie_Claret |
QPR going forward from an outsiders perspective...
The teams yesterday weren't a millions miles apart, you can count on one hand the number of shots on target from both sides. For me, it was obvious that both teams were giving each other plenty of respect, especially in the first half. This was evident as nobody really put their neck on the line for fear of making a critical mistake. Despite this and being brutally honest, I consider Burnley had the better 1st half.
I think we carried confidence over into the second half from the first period of play, knowing that we had kept you very quiet. It was obvious that your passing was not up to it's usual standard and the speed at which the ball was moved from defensive through attacking phases by QPR was sluggish to say the least. You seemed to have Barton/Henry sitting in front of the back four and Kranjcar behind Austin allowing us to control central midfield even with one less body.
As the half went on, we further grew in confidence and a slick bit of play and crisp finish put us one-nil up. Naturally after scoring the instinct is to protect the lead and so you guys came more and more into the game. The majority of your 65% possession (according to the Beeb) probably came during this period of the game. With QPR chasing the game, I could still see another goal to come, I just couldn't see where from. Either you would equalize with the pressure you were starting to exert or we would catch you on the break and double our lead. As it happens we did the latter...
Personally, I didn't feel 'Arry set you up right for this game. Rightly so, a large proportion of forum posts since the final whistle have also shared the opinion that Charlie was too isolated up front. Burnley know all about Charlie Austin for obvious reasons, and leaving him up there as a lone striker played right into our hands. Duff and Shackle had Austin under control for the entire game. As many of you have spotted, he's a finisher and a lethal one at that. Charlie doesn't make goals, he finishes them. With CA in your team you need to play '2 up top', with either a traditional target man to win aerial battles or a 'Rooney-esk' type of forward who will drop deeper to collect the ball and look to release Charlie. As I don't see a natural target man, I go with Chevanton who seemed to have no problem with the ball at his feet in a 'deeper' than usual forward position.
Hoilett is a good player, he needed to be playing on the right yesterday. He should be utilised on the right side, hitting the bi-line and whipping crosses in for Austin. With two upfront, you wouldn't need him cutting in from the left effectively creating a very narrow front three.
I'd go with a Barton/Niko central midfield with Barton sitting back a bit spreading the play and Kranjcar being the creative player that he is known to be.
I think the left flank should be considered on a game by game basis depending on both the opposition and who is playing at full back.
Both centre backs have heaps of experience but Ings' pace and movement got to them yesterday (especially for the goal), if Oneyewu has better legs then I'd consider swapping him for either Hill or Dunne.
Whilst BAE didn't have a good game yesterday, the fact remains he is Premiership quality. He needs to give his head a wobble and crack on for you, if he can do this he'll be an important player. Simpson is also a decent option at RB (as is Nedum once fit).
Green is an automatic choice.
Sorry to waffle on, I just don't see the foundations of some of the negativity in the other threads on here. Yes you've lost your first game, however, a couple of tweaks to the starting 11 and formation and you'll have cracked it. [Post edited 27 Oct 2013 8:31]
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| Not good enough on 08:19 - Oct 27 with 3066 views | JAPRANGERS |
Great post | | | |
| Not good enough on 09:18 - Oct 27 with 2977 views | Loft1979 |
agreed | | | |
| Not good enough on 09:32 - Oct 27 with 2942 views | Loft1979 |
The board is full of life today. And that is great to see.
In my humble opinion the team must have reality checks sometimes but yesterday's loss is still difficult to guage. I was hugely dissappointed to see an unchanged side as I expected some change based on the Millwall game. We have blasted the staff as if they were playing a defensive game.....why then was Hoilet selected? I wanted to see Faurlin selected. In the Boro game ahead of the break guess who started..We were enamored with the instant chemistry between Faurlin and Nico, and in the match thread what was the continous comment...no outlet! Personally, I think JB is best higher up the pitch. When Tom Carroll came in, HE was the to be the fulcrum and again before injury he was hitting stride.
The best part of the outcome yesterday is we needed that kick. We will get Carrol and Nedum back and go on, but in my opinion I think the Carroll-Faurlin pairing in front of the back forward is better than the Henry option. that frees up JB. wecriticize JB for losing the ball, but his passing is more effect higher up the pitch. I also like his ability to run into holes behind the front man. I like Hoilet as a sub and a game changer. I would prefer Oneill and Nico right and left of JB with Austin up front.
anyway, just a few thoughts I have.. | | | |
| Not good enough on 11:57 - Oct 27 with 2845 views | Antti_Heinola |
Good post Claret, but we would get mullered with a central midfield two of Barton and Niko, and Hoilett on the right is not worthwhile. He's not really a winger - he a forward, and playing on the left allows him to cut in and create chances or score goals. He'd be wasted wide right.
We've done very well recently playing CA up front alone - but the key is to make sure the attacking midfielders get up in and around him. We've done it before, but perhaps away from home against better sides the midfield is afraid to break quite so much. | |
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| Not good enough on 12:54 - Oct 27 with 2781 views | daveB |
We can't play 4-4-2 until we get Onoura back as the back four needs protection due to the lack of pace. I don't think a formation change will bring about that much difference anyway, we played 4-4-2 in the first month and the performances were no more adventurous than they are now, we were pretty dull then as well. Whatever formation we play we need to add tempo to our game, we are very one paced and don't really react to changes during games.
On our performances so far we're a top six side rather than a top 2 one | | | |
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