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Chill out guys, two bald men arguing over a comb sort of thing.
Would welcome Wiseman back if at all possible, he may not have been up to Championship standard and certainly not as a CH, but as a RB for Dale he was outstanding and the experience of playing at a higher level would ding dang do for me.
Who said you're not there on merit? Every single club (barring perhaps Swindon and one or two others) are in their respectful divisions on merit.
Obviously clubs can be promoted on a shoe-string budget, you're preaching to the choir there. It took a small miracle for us to get promoted, as it seems to have for you.
Plenty of threads/posts on your messageboard were indeed calling for Hill's head and yes I understand that's not entirely representative of the whole fanbase but for you to say you didn't call for his head once is absurd.
We as a club, like you, have ambition and aim to be challenging for promotion this year. However, with the size of our budget, playing staff etc we should probably just about be staying in the division.
It'd be interesting to see what KH's brief was at the beginning of the season and similarly what the fans ambitions were but if you honestly believe that you aren't punching above your weight (completely different to if you DESERVE to be there or not) then you really are deluded.
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The modern pioneer of mealy mouthed bollocks.
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Cheeseman saying it's Hill on 19:26 - Jan 21 with 1804 views
Everything that whitey says is correct. I hope you get Keith one because I am interested to see how he will do and secondly I think he is a good guy who will go on to be a great manager. I remember when Wilson left us for Sheffield Wednesday and was totally gutted. I can understand the bad feeling towards Barnsley.
However there is a common misconception on this board that Keith hill was badly treated and we have ideas above our station. Yes our resources are limited but football isn't just about resources and Keith's time was up. he wasn't good enough. I'm afraid he was out of his depth.
The reason why I say he was out of his depth is that he totally misunderstood and underestimated our fan base. He took the fans on. This happened about 3 weeks into the first season. I think he did learn towards the end of his tenure that this would be the death of him but it was too late. It was quite amazing how much backing he got despite this fatal flaw. He could probably get away with it at dale due to his success but he didn't achieve anything at Barnsley.
Our expectations were to play good football and build year on year. We would have gone down but for Pompey in season one was our record in year 2012 was atrocious, heading for sub 30 points!
Genuinely, good luck with everything.
I think we will stay up by the way, I think flicker is a much better fit for Barnsley folk than the rather obnoxious Keith hill. And this is coming from someone who was totally behind kh right up to his departure!
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Cheeseman saying it's Hill on 20:11 - Jan 21 with 1513 views
I know I've mentioned it on here a few times over the years, but saw Hilly working with our school of excellence back in the late 90's, and it stood out the way Hill was when working with the kids. Hill was more the bad cop out of the two (and he developed into that), but had he just been a passenger to Flicker for all these years, I doubt very much that Flicker would have stood by him for so long.
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Cheeseman saying it's Hill on 20:18 - Jan 21 with 1427 views
Hill insisted on playing him at centre half. And this broke him. Scott wiseman has never ever been a centre half. He is a fast full back who can't defend at championship level very well.
Another example of ludicrous hill decision making at its stubborn best.
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Vitriol towards barnsley FC on 20:23 - Jan 21 with 1387 views
He'd built you a decent team by Jan 2012 - and your board cashed in on your top scorer - Hillys best out of there, Flicker will be gone before next season starts.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
He probably realised that with your budget at that level he was pissing against the wind trying to attack every other team in that league with width,to be honest it couldn't happen to a nicer club after all the balloons from your place trying to rub our noses in it,what goes around and all that!!You lot could employ the special one and you'd still rank him as clueless and have no chance in that league regardless
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Cheeseman saying it's Hill on 20:30 - Jan 21 with 1317 views
Rubbing your noses in it? Definitely not what I saw from reading this forum. Having been in same position before we were nothing but respectful. He left for more money at a bigger club, get over it.
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Cheeseman saying it's Hill on 20:35 - Jan 21 with 1278 views
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