| Club announcement pending 20:58 - Jul 20 with 40401 views | KeithHaynes |
Sorry we can’t bring any more than this at the moment, but it’s only fair we place on record we are told the club are about to make an announcement. It would be wrong to speculate any further at this time.
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| Club announcement pending (n/t) on 11:00 - Jul 24 with 1486 views | Dr_Parnassus |
And there is another, all we need now is whiterockin for the full set.
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| Club announcement pending on 12:03 - Jul 24 with 1416 views | AndyCole |
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It's a pity there is still a gaggle of rowdy, bitter folk continuing to undermine Cooper.
Making false allegations of him 'touting and 'hawking' himself is very strange behaviour. Why make these things up ?
It turns out Cooper could have walked away weeks ago, and truly touted himself to secure the next phase in his career. Instead he chose to smooth the transition (seismic transformation) to soften the blow for his successor, and most importantly the players he nurtured and developed.
Yet there a few on forums who still choose to knock the fella. Shame.
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| Club announcement pending on 12:13 - Jul 24 with 1396 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Absolutely, I don’t know how that can be argued with.
18 pages later and not a single sniff of the evidence of this Cooper “openly hawking himself out” and “making it known he was pro actively looking for jobs”.
He spoke to Palace after the club asked to speak to him... just as all our other managers that have spoken to other clubs did. Yet only Steve has been accused of this.
Something that should absolutely be challenged. [Post edited 24 Jul 2021 12:15]
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| Club announcement pending on 12:23 - Jul 24 with 1378 views | dobjack2 |
Down arrowed you by mistake.
No great fan of Cooper but he’s gone. NDA’s will ensure the narrative is controlled so speculation is rife, which is inevitable.
Time to put Cooper in the ex manager/coach box, get behind the new coach when announced and give him a chance. Not an ideal start for any new coach with a pre-season mess and plenty of speculation that player(s) will leave to generate funds. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 12:33 - Jul 24 with 1361 views | Whiterockin |
Agree 100% time to move on get behind the new management team and players, a fresh start for all. Hopping for great things, as always, this season. A massive 2 weeks coming up with many things to sort out not least a manager. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:58 - Jul 25 with 1212 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Why bother defending the guy. He voluntarily walked away from his contract and clearly was not of the right fibre and spirit to continue the job. He had used up the parachute. faced with a lower budget outside the clubs control, he quit.
Almost all Swansea managers have had to accept recommendations for the recruitment team and management. Laudrup accepted Bony. Monk accepted Gomis , Guidolin accepted Fer. Potter wanted his own man and jumped ship taking him with him leaving the club in the lurch. (not that his signing were any good)
Coopers required signing were completely out of the budget of almost all Championship teams. Latibeaudirere and Piroe are top prospects that need nurturing back to elite level they were 2 years ago as 17 and 19 year olds.
There is little doubt Cooper wanted out and he has gone. This was down to him not the club. The club acts in the way it always acts. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 17:50 - Jul 25 with 1154 views | Brynmill_Jack |
Aye, when we get one | |
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| Club announcement pending on 11:37 - Jul 26 with 1021 views | jack247 |
Sorry, busy weekend.
There won’t be one. No manager is going to publicly state he’s looking for other jobs while under contract, not many journalists are going to put their name to something like that without proof. Does not for a second mean it wasn’t happening. You rarely hear of players or managers being tapped up until after the event.
As I said, it’s been an open secret in Swansea since the end of the season. I accept Chinese whispers can distort these things, but the fact he’s walked certainly adds credence.
It’s generally accepted that Steven Gerrard would leave Rangers if the Liverpool job came up, but you won’t find many credible sources publishing that.
Stuart James tweeted over the weekend criticising the club over the Eustace situation. I’m paraphrasing, but it was along the lines of - definitely knowing Cooper was leaving for two weeks, knowing he was almost certainly leaving all summer.
If he’s to be believed, it’s not concrete proof that he was touting himself out, but it’s a more than reasonable possibility. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 11:56 - Jul 26 with 996 views | Dr_Parnassus |
No apology necessary.
So just to get this straight, when you are saying he made is clear and was pretty open with the wanted to leave and was pro actively looking for other jobs, you mean it was no different to all the other managers then? Because that “could” be true of them too, couldn’t it?
Because these are the quotes you have made on the last few pages of this thread:-
“We aren’t talking about players or managers reacting to offers from clubs. We’re talking about making it generally known that he is looking to leave Swansea and actively seeking another club.”
“Making it abundantly clear he wanted to leave Swansea and was looking for offers.”
“The fact he wanted out all summer would have been the reason the club wanted him out.”
I’m just trying to figure out why Cooper is clearly treated differently to other managers, when the situations are pretty identical and a situation of them wanting to leave or looking for jobs could be present in all situations.
I believe Cooper is treated differently simply because it became fashionable to talk about him disparagingly.
As you correctly say, there is absolutely nothing to back the alternate view. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 12:07 - Jul 26 with 983 views | jack247 |
Well it could be. There’s nothing to suggest Martinez, Rodgers or Potter were agitating for moves or wouldn’t have been happy to stay here had bigger clubs not come in for them.
In the case of the first two, it was a different era under different owners. Hard to tell what they would have done under whatever circumstances Cooper found himself.
I stand by those three quotes.
I’m still not knocking Cooper. We have different ideas of how the summer played out. Either way, it’s a big decision he’s made. Conditions obviously weren’t great or he’d have seen this season out and either signed a new contract or left on a managerial version of a free next summer.
There won’t be. Just like the Gerrard example. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 12:12 - Jul 26 with 966 views | Dr_Parnassus |
As long as we are clear that this situation is no different to all the other managers that have been approached for interviews then that’s fine.
It’s the continuous stating as fact/assumption that he was the one pro-actively agitating that I have a problem with. It’s just as likely to have been the case which forced all the other managerial exists too. We don’t know, that’s the point.
It’s not really about having different ideas of how they played out. The fact is neither of us have any idea what so ever other than what has been reported. So it’s important that making things up is kept to a minimum and certainly not presented as fact, which seems to be happening more and more when it comes to Cooper. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 12:32 - Jul 26 with 935 views | jack247 |
Well it is different.
I wasn’t suggesting that he was just approached by Fulham and Palace and only spoke to them, though I’m sure that’s happened.
I’m suggesting (and I may have been the only one on here or just the one you picked up on) that he was making it pretty clear, via agents, in the same way that managers get tapped up, that he’d be open to a move.
I’m not pretending he’s the only manager to do it or that it’s uncommon practice.
I’ve probably exaggerated saying it was basically an open secret in Swansea, but it’s certainly a very common opinion.
His press conference and subsequent resignation add weight to that opinion as, depending on how much credence you give him, Stuart James’ quote.
Opinions are presented as fact on here constantly. It happens with players (Ayew and Hourihane are good recent examples) and it will happen with the next manager. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 12:38 - Jul 26 with 921 views | Dr_Parnassus |
How is it different? Again, let’s not start guessing, let’s go with what is out there in the open.
Palace wanted him, Palace asked to speak to him - he agreed. We asked for a crazy amount of money. They choose someone else. All that is widely reported.
Fulham wanted him, didn’t want to pay what we were asking to the point it doesn’t appear they even spoke to him. They chose someone else. Again, widely reported.
All the above, is simply a club wanting to speak to him and him agreeing. That’s exactly the same situation as all the other managers.
It only becomes different when you start making up what happened, and again it’s based on nothing as it isn’t reported or quoted anywhere as being anything remotely like that version. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 12:52 - Jul 26 with 910 views | jack247 |
You were asking about the ‘hawking’ or ‘touting’.
I’m not disputing the Palace or Fulham parts, apart from they wanted to speak to him, rather they wanted him.
There’s no concrete evidence, as there isn’t in the Gerrard example. There’s enough circumstantial evidence. The press conference, the resignation, the Stuart James tweet. I haven’t made any of those up. None of them 100% conclusively say he was making clubs aware he was looking to move, but all give it credence. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 12:56 - Jul 26 with 899 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Yeah, so that means him approaching clubs.
Hawking or touting doesn’t mean wanting to leave, otherwise everyone who left us were touting and hawking, they all wanted to leave.
If a club approaches a manager in situ, then they want him. Whether they will be able to get that deal done is another thing altogether.
The resignation came after these comments were made, and we have no idea of Martinez would have resigned too had we insisted on an unreasonable amount of compensation for example. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:09 - Jul 26 with 893 views | jack247 |
Absolutely. I don’t mean directly approaching Fulham and Palace. I mean making it generally known that if clubs were looking to change their manager, he was looking to move on.
The Stuart James tweet came after the comments were made too. Neither completely ratify what I said, but both add credence. The fact they have come to light after my comments doesn’t make them irrelevant. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 13:14 - Jul 26 with 884 views | Dr_Parnassus |
But how did he make people/clubs aware of that? That’s the part I’m not seeing. As far as I can tell, he did nothing of the sort:
You could argue that he did as a result of speaking to Palace, but again that’s the same situation as all the other managers if no deal could be reached for their services and another came along as a result.
Prior to agreeing to speak with Palace there was no clear message from him that he wanted to leave and was open to anyone who was looking for a manager. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:20 - Jul 26 with 873 views | jack247 |
How are players and managers tapped up? There’s very rarely any evidence of that and I’d happily bet it happens often, no agreement is reached and we never hear about it.
I agree, he hasn’t put out a press release saying he wanted to leave or was open to offers. I can’t remember the last time anyone did that, or even if I’ve ever seen it.
There’s only circumstantial evidence, absolutely. I’ve never pretended otherwise. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 13:27 - Jul 26 with 859 views | max936 |
And still this shit goes on, between this pair Jack 247, do yourself and the rest of us a favour and stop replying to him. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:28 - Jul 26 with 852 views | Dr_Parnassus |
But that’s exactly my point.
You don’t hear accusations of tapping up (whether they exist or not) because there is no evidence of it.
Which is why I think it’s odd accusing someone of approaching clubs to be their manager when there is no evidence of anything remotely like that and isn’t likely to be the case given how we know managerial appointments and selection processes are made…. And the reported state of things CIA the media.
Then go on and repeat it as a given fact is just something that has clearly left a few people scratching their heads. Even when not taken it as a given… you have literally labelled it as fact on more than one occasion. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:47 - Jul 26 with 838 views | jack247 |
If you asked me why I hoped Matt Grimes would stay, ‘the fact he’s our best midfielder’ would be a reasonable answer. That’s just every day language. It’s no more misleading than saying Fulham and Palace wanted Cooper when as far as we know, they just wanted to speak to him.
There is evidence of this, it’s just circumstantial. His press conference, yes it was just after a demoralising defeat, made it perfectly clear he didn’t see his future with us.
And Max - I’m sure this will peter out soon, we’ll have a new manager to discuss | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 13:52 - Jul 26 with 833 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Someone being the best at something is clearly subjective, it can’t be measured, it’s not an action.
It would be more akin to someone asking why Grimes is going and you say “the fact he threw a strop in training and said he was better than the team, been approaching clubs all summer”.
The defence for making such an accusation can never be “it’s possible it happened”. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 14:14 - Jul 26 with 811 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper is history. Its a non issue he has gone. He did a good job using the two years of parachutes but once the parachutes stopped he did not fancy his chances. The club has a squad filled with 19-22 aged players. He did not tie down Roberts and Grimes to new contracts and after they said "no can do Gaffer" to signing their new contracts he walked.
He failed, and like Kenny Jackett realised his method would not work. With out elite ringers from his u17 team he would face fan discontent with his limited 'Cooperball' style.
The u17 ringer model only ever had a 2 year shelf life,. All those players are now in the £20m + bracket once they hit 21. Latibeaudirere is the only one working to his potential. he needs a big season. I wish him well. [Post edited 26 Jul 2021 14:15]
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| Club announcement pending on 15:13 - Jul 26 with 769 views | vetchonian |
Seculation on your part and that may be your opinion...but it is pure speculation
I think Cooper has been decided to walk since your favourite American player was forced on him | |
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| Club announcement pending on 15:25 - Jul 26 with 743 views | majorraglan |
“He did not tie down Roberts and Grimes to new contracts…” - that is something I’d have thought is well above Cooper’s pay grade. He can make representations and recommendations, but contracts, remuneration etc are down to the money men and would be determined by what the club would be prepared to pay and what the club feels it can afford. It would be Coopers job to persuade/encourage them to stay, but at the end of the day he is flogging a dead horse. If Grimes ends up at Fulham, he’ll be at a club with an income somewhere in the region of 4 times more than Swansea with the prospect of 3 years of parachute payments and a realistic chance of pro,Gino to the PL. The lucrative contracts and failure in some cases to get recoup value from some of the PL players following relegation has adversely impacted in the club.
Whilst he may have enjoyed some of the parachute payments (and I believe a lot of the funding had been allocated elsewhere for example Ayew’s alleged wages of £80k per week Cooper also had to contend with the club having to manage with no match day income.
Results wise Cooper delivered, style wasn’t to most fans liking, but you can only work with the tools available.
Overall, I think Cooper did better than could be expected, he’s also shown some decency, integrity, commitment in stating on to take training when he could have walked. I wish him all the best. [Post edited 26 Jul 2021 17:17]
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