| Is the lock down ending too soon? 04:59 - Jul 1 with 151109 views | Glyn1 |
That's basically it.
Thoughts please. [Post edited 1 Jul 2020 5:00]
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 13:50 - Jul 2 with 2985 views | felixstowe_jack |
Yes all mass gatherings are risky, that includes religion, sport, mass demonstrations, mass migration to beaches and open air raves and parties. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 13:54 - Jul 2 with 2980 views | Scotia |
I didn't read all of that before replying, but one further point. Do you think it is a good idea for Drakeford to ask Europes biggest airline not to fly from our state owned airport over a rule of thumb?
Perhaps he could have said family visits and bubbles were excluded as Sturgeon did in Scotland?
People have stuck on five miles because he said it, if he didn't mean it way not just say "stay local" - you now seem to be undermining his authority. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:01 - Jul 2 with 2969 views | exhmrc1 |
What he actually said and I watched the programme was that people need to stay local. He went on to say what he considered local was 5 miles as a rule of thumb. He then went onto say that in certain rural areas the nearest supermarket was further than that but his main focus was on staying local and people would have to make their own decisions on that based on their individual circumstances. The nearest supermarket to Tafarn y garreg would be Tesco in Ystradgynlais 8.3 miles away and that would be considered local in that case. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:33 - Jul 2 with 2953 views | Kilkennyjack |
So you prefer Wales to have a higher rate of infection so we don't have to point out that the country to the east of us has a big problem ?
Really ?
I think you meant to say ...... well done Drakers for doing Gods work so well. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:37 - Jul 2 with 2951 views | exhmrc1 |
The figures for the other health boards show similar drops to Swansea Bay. Here is the Aneurin Bevan Figures from 1 May
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:38 - Jul 2 with 2950 views | bennytheblue |
Done a good job? You must be mental the lefty t w a t has probably ruined us, which of course he is more than happy to do of course.... | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:39 - Jul 2 with 2948 views | londonlisa2001 |
Te really ironic thing about your nonsense is that Wales wouldn’t have been able to do this if it was independent.
It would have had to open the economy. As it couldn’t rely on England to do so, take all the risk and hope it gets bailed out. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:40 - Jul 2 with 2949 views | Kilkennyjack |
How do you get a mindset that mocks your own nation and trivialises its culture...?
Seems a bit strange to me.
Its as hopeless as its bizarre....? Pointless.
I guess you would agree that the reason that you left out the coal, slate, copper and steel is that you would have to reflect on the great wealth created and why most of it did not benefit Wales ?
‘Our neighbour robbed us’ | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:42 - Jul 2 with 2945 views | Kilkennyjack |
So now the Professor is a ‘twaat’, unlikely.
Whereas jobbing journo posh boy Boris on the other hand ... 🤡 | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:47 - Jul 2 with 2941 views | Kilkennyjack |
You really have left Wales haven’t you...?
Yes ok then Lisa lets blame wales for the Westminster system that keeps her poor.
Like the husband who says to his wife, if you leave me nobody else will want you ? Not a great reason for staying in a dead relationship.
Or maybe you think the welsh are the only people in Europe incapable of running their own affairs successfully ?
Drakeford is out performing England. Fact. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:48 - Jul 2 with 2940 views | Kilkennyjack |
It was the Boris street parties more like ... 🤡 | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 14:56 - Jul 2 with 2937 views | londonlisa2001 |
Sigh. I didn’t say that though did I. Stop being such a complete child.
As I’ve pointed out on several occasions, Drakeford’s actions are harming the independence debate not helping it.
Tell me. If the poor people at Castell Howell lose their jobs, is that Drakeford s fault in your view? At all? Any of them? Could he have done something to save any of those jobs?
Wales will become a strong independent country when it stops asking England for money because it doesn’t need to.
You still haven’t ever answered the question I’ve asked several times - do you need to go out to work to feed your family? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:04 - Jul 2 with 2923 views | pencoedjack |
Id be amazed if he worked & if he does no chance he runs his own business.
He's a complete idiot. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:20 - Jul 2 with 2918 views | Professor |
Wales has never really been an independent country in the sense of a single ruler or government. always been small kingdoms with the occasional overlord. I think this is a major difference to Scotland.
Anyway, most infectious diseases people I know are very wary about the easing of lockdown and certainly won't be rushing to the pub or restaurant this weekend in England. It is difficult to pick apart the balance between public health and the economy. I am of the view we should have had an earlier and sharper lockdown. My mother tells me how strictly it was enforced in Tenerife. The delay led to a longer persistence of higher levels of circulating virus. It looks pretty OK to ease lockdown in Southern England, Wales and much of Scotland, but the numbers up here are still too high in my view. I have some sympathy will Westminster, Holyrood and Cardiff Bay here, as there is no right answer. I just hope all have come to the best answer. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:26 - Jul 2 with 2916 views | Highjack |
Let's just pretend for a moment that God exists, he would have created this virus and everyone who gets it is going along with God's great plan. Therefore if the very sexy Mark Drakeford is trying to prevent the spread of the virus he is in fact in direct conflict with God.
Mark Drakeford is literally Satan. | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:36 - Jul 2 with 2907 views | londonlisa2001 |
Most people I know won’t go to the pubs or restaurants either.
But the same was said about beaches, marches, shops. The detailed reporting from PHE yesterday showed that since shops opened, the cases have still dramatically fallen away in England.
Even the outbreaks in the North have started to fall away (look at the report from PHE on the details of the Leicester outbreak - even Leicester’s numbers started falling off before the local lockdown).
We are going to see flare-ups, it’s inevitable. But overall cases and fatalities continue to fall away and the effect of keeping the economy shut is genuine harm. As I’ve said several times, if it was a zero sum game, fair enough. But it’s not. Of course infectious disease experts are going to be wary - it is a zero sum game for them. But life isn’t that easy. There are risks all the time and they have to be balanced.
The area that most suffered from lack of an earlier lockdown is mine - we all locked ourselves down a week before while the rest of the country was down the pub. People have to weigh up their own risks and act accordingly. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 15:47 - Jul 2 with 2904 views | exhmrc1 |
You are right. The figures in North Wales have been far higher than the rest of Wales but the good sign is that they have been declining recently other than the outbreaks in Wrexham and Llangefni. The Wirral and Merseyside is quite close to North Wales. This is the reason I support Drakeford's slower lockdown than Johnson's. Drakeford has waited for North Wales and a couple of areas in South Wales to come closer together whilst Johnson removed the stay local restriction whilst the figures in the North and Midlands were still high because he was under pressure. Here is Betsi Cadwalladrs figures from 1 May.
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The 26 cases include 15 from Wrexham and some for Flint who could well be travelling there for work. These figures will still be high until the Wrexham factory has been fully tested | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:29 - Jul 2 with 2873 views | Professor |
Oddly though Wirral which has no land border to Flintshire or Wrexham is considerably higher in cases than Cheshire West and Chester ( where I live ) which does. Flint and its surrounds have a large Eastern European population involved in the food industry around Deeside and Wrexham | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:30 - Jul 2 with 2871 views | raynor94 |
I'm waiting for the answer to your last paragraph with baited breath | |
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| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:37 - Jul 2 with 2867 views | BillyChong |
How wouldn’t have Wales managed this as an independent country? | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:41 - Jul 2 with 2866 views | Professor |
It could manage the pandemic, but does not have the financial heft to come out the other side with a functional economy. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 16:42 - Jul 2 with 2865 views | londonlisa2001 |
Every other time I’ve asked he’s disappeared.
The annoying thing is that I’m a supporter of Welsh autonomy, possibly will be persuaded about independence if Scotland and NI go in particular, but kilkenny’s brand of anti English nationalism is a massive turn off for me.
If Wales is to become a stronger nation, it can’t be run by well meaning old socialists like Drakeford. It has to understand that wealth creators are essential for the strong economy needed to provide the services needed for everyone. I’d hope it has a heart - provides properly for children, those who can’t work, older people, top quality healthcare and education, social care and so on, but to do that it has to innovate and drive forward. That involves taking decisions that are sometimes difficult. Destroying companies in Carmarthenshire because there are virus incidents in Wrexham is insane. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:09 - Jul 2 with 2853 views | exhmrc1 |
Are the people from Flint and Denbighshire likely to work in Flint or is there likely to be further food plants where there could more outbreaks. Could some of the recent cases in Powys be connected to this plant as it borders Pembrokeshire. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 17:58 - Jul 2 with 2839 views | pencoedjack |
Excellent post. | | | |
| Is the lock down ending too soon? on 18:06 - Jul 2 with 2833 views | Professor |
Yes- there is a very large 2 Sisters poultry plant and about 10-20 smaller producers around the huge industrial parks. A few closed about 3 years ago (big pizza
Factory). That’s where many work | | | |
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