| SACK THE BOARD 16:32 - Dec 1 with 53491 views | RAFC1907 |
Absolutely terrible.
No ambition, robbing fans constantly with overpriced entrance fees for watching garbage.
Garbage created by them for not backing the manager with any money, constantly pocketing it and saying we don't have any.
1600 home fans today says it all.
No wonder we will always be little old Rochdale.
Shambles of a football club. | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 12:53 - Dec 2 with 3200 views | AussieDale |
To me the most worrying element of all this is the lack of any public statement from the chairman. If the club is struggling finance wise surely a statement on this issue with some detail provided would provide some clarity on a topic that currently appears to be the subject of much conjecture. I can't understand the reticence of the board in this issue. The air needs to be cleared. The longer this goes on without clarification then supporters are going to fear the worse.
In the absence of any clear club statement and for what it's worth my view is that the decision to try and lift attendances by significantly reducing ST prices 2/3 years ago will go down in club history as one of the worst decisions ever made. It appears to have resulted in little or no increase in attendances whilst greatly reducing matchday income. It also makes it difficult if not impossible to increase ST prices back to 'normal' levels in the future without a significant reduction in ST holders. | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 12:56 - Dec 2 with 3178 views | kel |
I drink in the Cem, have only met DB a couple of times and never had a conversation with him other than exchanging pleasantries. I also didn’t attend the stag do but let’s tar everybody who drinks in a pub local to the football ground with fellow supporters with the same brush eh? | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 13:00 - Dec 2 with 3134 views | ChaffRAFC |
Email the Trust, info@daletrust.co.uk and put it to them for the next time they meet with the board. | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 13:11 - Dec 2 with 3086 views | SI_Blue |
Thought you were seeing therm tonight? | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 13:17 - Dec 2 with 3058 views | electricblue |
50k.
I bet he would want far more than that amount to even be tempted to part...... | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 13:22 - Dec 2 with 3027 views | ChaffRAFC |
You thought wrong and I've no idea where you've got that from either. I will be at home
watching football and I'm a Celeb later.
Can't wait for James Haskell to get the boot. | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 13:28 - Dec 2 with 2994 views | 49thseason |
You are obviously a former student of the Theresa May School of Negotiation. Maybe he is as pissed off as the rest of us and would accept £50k to get rid of his inherited shares? There is not much Kudos in being the absentee Chairman of a potless football club when you dont even live in the vicinty, especially when the probability is that you might have to stump up more cash sometme soon. | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 13:58 - Dec 2 with 2863 views | KenBoon |
Season ticket numbers have increased and they were raised in price this season along with significant price increases at food kiosks and match tickets. Our biggest failures have been failing to move commercially with the times in the 00s, and we're still playing catch up. There was too much reliance on the loyal fan base although in fairness some of the fan base seemed to complain about every idea put forward.
We've been blessed with excellent CEOs for about 20 years so the current one has big shoes to fill. Right now he is far from the level set by his predecessors. I am not a fan of conspiracy theories, however the way one of the most successful chairmen of this club's history was pushed out stinks. | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 13:59 - Dec 2 with 2855 views | nordenblue |
He doesn't need to be, he's already got someone else getting paid and very willing to shove his face in front of any available camera,to enlighten everyone how well he's running "his" club [Post edited 2 Dec 2019 14:08]
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| SACK THE BOARD on 14:00 - Dec 2 with 2851 views | SI_Blue |
Credibility out of the window dude. | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 14:02 - Dec 2 with 2841 views | sweetcorn |
Ooo you’re hard.
When are you confronting them? | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 14:02 - Dec 2 with 2839 views | SuddenLad |
It isn't shoe size that's important now. It's hat size. | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 14:27 - Dec 2 with 2738 views | SI_Blue |
Not as hard as you Sweetcorn, that name is terrifying me. We have already started our active campaign, what have you done keyboard warrior ? | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 14:29 - Dec 2 with 2730 views | AtThePeake |
Aaaand less than a full page later... | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 14:51 - Dec 2 with 2666 views | rochdaleriddler |
Not answering my question though, is he actively involved ? | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 16:01 - Dec 2 with 2534 views | HK_Dale |
There is some interesting data in the financial statements when you look across years.
For points that stood out to me:
- Cash went up 128% between '17 & '18 to £1,151,819, avg. for '16 and '17 was £561,877
- Value of Tangible assets decreased by 13% (due to depreciation) but Investments have decreased by 100% (Stadium Company shares) have been written down to zero.
- Current Liabilities were also up 49% to short term creditors.
- Also worth noting that even with the c. £305k loss for 2018, Retained Earnings were still $1.8MM.
Income Statement:
- Revenue only down 10% between '17 and '18 but Cost of Goods Sold and Admin Expenses were up 21% and 24% respectively.
- In terms of underlying insights of the turnover number:
- Gate Receipts were up slightly
- Transfer fees were significantly down
- Prize money, youth development grant, and tv fees were also drivers of increased turnover, as was shop sales
- Bar and catering income was only c. 55k less
Additional £600k in costs for wages and salaries, likely in part due to increase of 16 staff.
Players and coaching staff went down by 1 but "Other" staff was significantly increased.
All in all, operations seem fairly robust with decent amounts of cash and retained earnings, so the line from DB may be more on how things of gone in '19... | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 16:20 - Dec 2 with 2461 views | sweetcorn |
I'm sure the board are shitting themselves from the pending 'active campaign' | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 16:27 - Dec 2 with 2430 views | AtThePeake |
- 4 players sold for cash in Adshead, Cannon, McGahey and Rafferty.
- Sell-on clause for Dawson transfer.
- An away cup tie against Manchester United.
How badly can things have gone in '19? | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 16:34 - Dec 2 with 2396 views | Rochdale_ger |
You’ll only take posts down anyway. Why be a moaning set of bitches if your going to be mods. Col didn’t censor folk. | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 17:55 - Dec 2 with 2167 views | ColDale |
ok few bits in the interest of 100% openness before assumptions continue to snowball.
* Since DB's appointment as CEO, every single time I have met him it has been in a Trust capacity (and minuted on the Trust website). Every conversation throughout I've had with him whether that be via email or over the phone has been in a Trust capacity.
* To suggest that I've been complicit or an active participant as part of a group of friends in a plot to get rid of Dunphy is completely false. Apologies if I've misread that.
* As a Trust, we have worked hard to rebuild the relationship with the club since it was arguably at an all time low early in 2018. There have been a great deal of positives to come out of this, and I've always been of the opinion its better to work with someone than to work against them. The nature of the reporting back on the Trust website is (in my opinion) far more transparent and frequent that it has even been, and far superior to any club in the division (including the Trust owned clubs) though I accept my involvement brings a certain amount of bias.
* The Trust's work with the club often involves a lot of difficult conversations. The minutes from the meetings indicate this with the range of questions asked. I accept some haven't always been happy with the answers given but I don't believe there's been a single question that has been shyed away from. I appreciate the reporting back might not reflect the difficult conversations that take place, but the meetings are not an exercise in blowing smoke up each other's backsides. Take the recent discussions about attracting an investor into the club or the endless conversations about the change in pies as an example. If we feel something isn't right, we are happy to tell them so.
* if it is felt (principally by the Trust membership) that the above makes me too friendly with DB, then I will happily walk away tomorrow and never have any involvement again in the Trust. It's not a role undertaken for any personal benefit, and if I'm being honest, it takes up far more hours than it should do (through my own choice let it be said).
I've said before, dealings with DB have come across open and honest throughout. I know this doesn't always fit the narrative but I can only say it how Ive seen it throughout the past 12 months. I understand the concerns people have, and much is done with genuine care and concern for the football club. We live in a post-Bury world and in my mind, this brings a need for a greater transparency than was needed a couple of years ago, and the current climate would be helped if this was taken into account.
Anyway, changing tact much has been said about the finances of the club. Now I am no financial expert by any stretch so its entirely possible that more learned people than myself could rip this to pieces, but I spent much of last weekend going through the published accounts from the club for the five year period up until the Summer of 2018 and comparing figures. (all of these figures are available in the public domain, and no figures later than the Summer of 2018 are available yet)
This was obviously done independent of the club and is not intended as either a finger pointing exercise or as a defence for anyone(though I don't think Keith Hill comes out of it particularly well). It was prompted following the answer to the MUFC question at the recent Trust meeting which I know has caused much concern.
The stand out one for me was the Players' wages over the five year period from 2013-4 to 2017-8 comparing it with gate receipts. Within that time, the differential between gate receipts and wage budget went from £380,000 to close to £1.3 million.
What's perhaps most worrying about this is that the Summer following this, the players' wage budget was increased by 30% at a time when the season tickets were limited at £150, £200, £250. That gap might well have reached a level way in excess of £1.5m when the club publishes its accounts in the Spring time.
I don't know if this increase was par for the course for League One football during this time, and we were simply keeping up with the minimum spend but these increases in wage budget from 2017 onwards did little to improve matters on the field. There were similar increases in the budget for the manager, coaches, youth set up and off the field wages which went from £700,000 to £1.3m in the same five year time period.
The club were keen to point out that the only clubs with smaller attendances than our's in this division (Fleetwood, Accrington, Burton) all had owners who kept those clubs afloat from their own pocket. We've followed a different path of player sales keeping us going and that has worked for us - but the question is how long can this be maintained?
The figures also show during this time period the receipt of just short of £5million worth of transfer fees and sell on clauses, which in my layman's terms means that those five years were subsidised to the tune of a £1m a season. From my estimates on the player sales, sell ons and MUFC game throughout 2019, I don't think we have brought in the £2m to cover both last season and this based on the assumption of £1m subsidy per season. Of course, spending £200,000 on wages in January would be worth its weight in gold if relegation could be avoided.
I don't think there is a stockpiling of money as there's no reason to, and there is certainly no money coming out of the club as the accounts will indicate this. Any tightening of the belt is done to act before things become a problem as certainly that wage bill could not continue at the level it was increasing by. We don't want a repeat of the Le Fondre situation where we sell players to rival clubs to pay the bills. There's much work to be done, and we as a Trust have to accept and act on that, and do our bit to ask the right questions and feed that back to the supporters, and ask again if we're not satisfied with the answers. | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 18:02 - Dec 2 with 2140 views | RAFC1907 |
They will be when it hits them that its reality in a few weeks.
My question to you is this.. In fact I have two..
1) Did you think the way CD was pushed was right?
2) Would you not prefer CD to be chairman? [Post edited 2 Dec 2019 18:04]
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| SACK THE BOARD on 18:07 - Dec 2 with 2099 views | bazingadale |
I bet this is all because of what happened on that stag do | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 18:13 - Dec 2 with 2057 views | Rochdale_ger |
All this is down to jealousy from a bunch of keyboard virgins jealous of the CEOs sexual prowess. | | | |
| SACK THE BOARD on 18:13 - Dec 2 with 2055 views | RAFC1907 |
Whilst the club try to baffle us with the 'gates don't cover wages bullshit', let me put this forward.
The away fans have to pay a fortune to get in, and often bring over 500 fans on average across the season.
Now I'm assuming they are not all children and I'm assuming that they don't just pay in and don't buy any alcohol in the willbutts, or purchase any food etc.
The average attendance has increased due to the amount of away fans. So talking about cheap season tickets is just a cover up.
Thanks for the detailed info though, I know you're a loyal fan through thick and thin but come on, there's so much bullshit at the minute it needs sorting.
Nobody is asking the club to overspend like Bury but by bringing in two to three good players, whether it be short term, two year deals or even bringing in loans won't damage the bank. Especially if we show some ambition and climb the table then those extra 1000-1500 fans may turn up and repay the funds to cover any wages. | |
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| SACK THE BOARD on 18:17 - Dec 2 with 2021 views | sweetcorn |
What reality is that?
1) I have no idea if he was pushed. Just get little snippets from people who think they're clever posting 1% of the story and then when asking to elaborate they say they can't divulge.
2) what would really be different if dunphy was currently chairman? He doesn't have a magic money tree, I'd wager a guess we'd probably still have hill and if not we'd still have BBM.
Until someone has the balls to fully disclose what's been going on, instead of jizzing in their boxers by trying to flaunt that they know stuff that other members of this message board don't, I can't fully answer your questions. | |
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