| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread 13:04 - Jul 10 with 42386 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I think I’ve been quite lucky so far no?
Well managed England play will defeat the Italians by the odd goal.
Here’s me putting the gauntlet down:
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 18:08 - Jul 14 with 1874 views | Myke |
This is a very interesting debate. I feel that even traditional news reports are influenced by social media and tailor both the 'depth' of their story and which ones they prioritise (ie 'top story') depending on who they perceive is their largest and most invested listen/readership. A good example currently here in Ireland is the debate on in-door dining. Outdoor dining is never a viable option in the west/northwest of Ireland due to the rainfall amounts, but much more so in Dublin and Cork where the weather is much more settled. So outdoor dining was the only show in town during June and early July and there were no complaints (or more accurately no dissenting voices listened to)as the weather was grand in Dublin/Cork. That all changed the weekend before last when the weather broke and suddenly indoor dining was the top story and the government came under enormous pressure from the hospitality lobbyists to introduce legislation allowing indoor dining for fully vaccinated and recovered covid people. It was rushed through the Dail this week, despite today having our highest number of cases since early Feb..
My point being that even politicians are influenced by 'trending' stories, not just on Social Media but on traditional media outlets too |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 18:09 - Jul 14 with 1825 views | SheffieldHoop |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 17:49 - Jul 14 by Konk |
Okay, so how much attention would you like the media to dedicate to each murder, and what would expect the increased media attention to achieve? Assuming it became the top story on the News every night, and the public couldn't avoid coverage of the situation, then what would you expect to happen? |
Well, it depends on the circumstances obviously.
16-year-old child stabbed to death by 2 men on a moped in broad daylight on a not-particularly-quiet residential street in South London should receive quite extensive coverage I would assume.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57814253
Likewise about the kid stabbed outside the school in Hayes at 8 in the morning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57454285
But bloke stabbed during a fight on a night out.....maybe turn down the heat a bit.
These are just 2 examples I'm aware of because I've got connections to those areas. If I google 'stabbing' I quickly find very recent stories about stabbings in Stockwell, Rotherham. I'm not saying the media doesn't cover this stuff, it obviously does, it's about the weight they put on it. More coverage would probably achieve nothing, but putting more weight on the issue would.
But instead, what do we have? Next to no national coverage of a murder of a 16-year-old, while we're all being lectured about online abuse, while practically none of us engage in it. It is a bit weird, isn't it? Stupid, irresponsible, or deliberately misleading? |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 18:26 - Jul 14 with 1794 views | SheffieldHoop |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 18:08 - Jul 14 by Myke |
This is a very interesting debate. I feel that even traditional news reports are influenced by social media and tailor both the 'depth' of their story and which ones they prioritise (ie 'top story') depending on who they perceive is their largest and most invested listen/readership. A good example currently here in Ireland is the debate on in-door dining. Outdoor dining is never a viable option in the west/northwest of Ireland due to the rainfall amounts, but much more so in Dublin and Cork where the weather is much more settled. So outdoor dining was the only show in town during June and early July and there were no complaints (or more accurately no dissenting voices listened to)as the weather was grand in Dublin/Cork. That all changed the weekend before last when the weather broke and suddenly indoor dining was the top story and the government came under enormous pressure from the hospitality lobbyists to introduce legislation allowing indoor dining for fully vaccinated and recovered covid people. It was rushed through the Dail this week, despite today having our highest number of cases since early Feb..
My point being that even politicians are influenced by 'trending' stories, not just on Social Media but on traditional media outlets too |
There was a Labour MP on the news this afternoon speaking about the "Horrific levels of racist abuse"
I suppose you can defend it by saying that ANY racial abuse is horrific. But also, any danger of some context?
I meet people all the time who are absolutely convinced that most white people are racist against them. I do everything I can to convince them that isn't true. But it's practically impossible with our media, MPs etc. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 18:47 - Jul 14 with 1801 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 13:51 - Jul 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm umming and ahhring about going for a month during the WC as my brother is out there and i'll have free accommodation. Been there before and had mixed feeling on Doha as a City and less mixed feelings on the cost of a pint.
I've convinced myself due to it's location, cost of hotels, and bad coverage that it's going to be relatively fan free compared to say a Germany or even Russian WC.
Is that the feeling out there or are they preparing for the end of the world? |
Just finished three years out there, and some people I met there think it’ll be ok however, I’m not sure.
Most games I went to saw a trickle of fans attending and those where there was a crowd, were attended by better behaved people than the louts we saw on Sunday embarrassing us.
I’ve heard a lot of Qataris remain sceptical as to why they ever bid for it. They’ll have built seven stadiums that will lay idle afterwards; be down around $350b; and now they see this may bring drunken oafs; gratuitous violence; and there largely defenceless shopping malls and main Souq facing a baying mob potentially urinating; robbing and trashing the place. I also think their spotless metro system will be desecrated.
Doha is not a particularly interesting or exciting place. They’re financially stretched so prices will be dropped to accommodate and ensure people attend. But given the variables of no experience of handling something of this nature, unsure policing expertise, and ‘possibly’ alcohol, I’d be wary. On the other hand, if it’s pricey, global economic issues and the fact it’s the month before Christmas deter the idiots, then the Doha World Cup might surprise us. |  |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:06 - Jul 14 with 1632 views | izlingtonhoop |
Don't know if this has been brought up already, but look at the cop seriously overdoing it at the beginning of this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57823364
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:23 - Jul 14 with 1593 views | bob566 |
Is it any different to looting. They're trying to rob a seat rather than a tv but the principles the same. 99.9% of good honest fans stayed away from trying to invade the stadium. I've no sympathy if the lad got a hiding. What about these yobs endangering stewards lives. They've got families to go home to aswell | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:37 - Jul 14 with 1567 views | bob566 |
If I was the met or gov't I'd let Perry travel to Doha. Have him arrested over there. Don't fight his deportation and see how he likes a Qatari rocket between his butt cheeks. | | | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:37 - Jul 14 with 1561 views | daveB |
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone so stupid confess to several crimes in a national newspaper. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:44 - Jul 14 with 1557 views | bob566 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:37 - Jul 14 by daveB |
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone so stupid confess to several crimes in a national newspaper. |
Me neither Dave but putting an incendiary up your jaxy I'd have expected nothing less. P | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 00:19 - Jul 15 with 1534 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 18:47 - Jul 14 by PlanetHonneywood |
Just finished three years out there, and some people I met there think it’ll be ok however, I’m not sure.
Most games I went to saw a trickle of fans attending and those where there was a crowd, were attended by better behaved people than the louts we saw on Sunday embarrassing us.
I’ve heard a lot of Qataris remain sceptical as to why they ever bid for it. They’ll have built seven stadiums that will lay idle afterwards; be down around $350b; and now they see this may bring drunken oafs; gratuitous violence; and there largely defenceless shopping malls and main Souq facing a baying mob potentially urinating; robbing and trashing the place. I also think their spotless metro system will be desecrated.
Doha is not a particularly interesting or exciting place. They’re financially stretched so prices will be dropped to accommodate and ensure people attend. But given the variables of no experience of handling something of this nature, unsure policing expertise, and ‘possibly’ alcohol, I’d be wary. On the other hand, if it’s pricey, global economic issues and the fact it’s the month before Christmas deter the idiots, then the Doha World Cup might surprise us. |
Thanks.
I found the Islamic Museum interesting
Other than jet skiiing and exploring the various ex pat drinking holes full of pushy Thai prostitutes I wasn’t sure what there was to do. Bruv loves it though.
Couldn’t imagine The Pearl full of 50,000 sunburned Scottish, Irish, and England fans. [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 0:20]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 06:28 - Jul 15 with 1460 views | Rs_Holy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:37 - Jul 14 by daveB |
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone so stupid confess to several crimes in a national newspaper. |
That was such a depressing read … I can’t see Wembley/England getting any major events for the foreseeable future … a sad few days for our country [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 7:21]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 07:18 - Jul 15 with 1406 views | PlanetHonneywood |
After the incidents in Brussels in 85, a headline in one of the Italian newspapers read: shame on a country who allows such animals out! It would seem 36 years on, the sentiment remains and the action still necessary.
We have 15 months to wade through social media and CCTV footage, and enact the necessary laws to prevent these cretins from leaving English shores to embarrass us overseas. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 07:24 - Jul 15 with 1400 views | distortR |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 18:08 - Jul 14 by Myke |
This is a very interesting debate. I feel that even traditional news reports are influenced by social media and tailor both the 'depth' of their story and which ones they prioritise (ie 'top story') depending on who they perceive is their largest and most invested listen/readership. A good example currently here in Ireland is the debate on in-door dining. Outdoor dining is never a viable option in the west/northwest of Ireland due to the rainfall amounts, but much more so in Dublin and Cork where the weather is much more settled. So outdoor dining was the only show in town during June and early July and there were no complaints (or more accurately no dissenting voices listened to)as the weather was grand in Dublin/Cork. That all changed the weekend before last when the weather broke and suddenly indoor dining was the top story and the government came under enormous pressure from the hospitality lobbyists to introduce legislation allowing indoor dining for fully vaccinated and recovered covid people. It was rushed through the Dail this week, despite today having our highest number of cases since early Feb..
My point being that even politicians are influenced by 'trending' stories, not just on Social Media but on traditional media outlets too |
it's not great if social media 'influencers' are pushing the media and government's agenda.
As an aside, I wonder how much misogynistic abuse the female presenters have received this tournament?
Why do people post this vile crap? For some, blind hatred, to hurt. For some, publicity. Is it an almost tourettes-like response to saying the unsayable? Are there are foreign operatives whose job it is to destabilise getting free shots? Who would know?
But by amplifying their idiocy we're doing their work for them, ensuring continuation. So don't give them publicity. Go after them, but don't feed them. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 07:52 - Jul 15 with 1373 views | 80s_Boy |
Here's the problem...
He's an idiot but the newspapers have given him a platform to revel in what he did, show no remorse and, presumably, get paid for an exclusive interview...
Sometimes 'shining a light' on things isn't always the best option and that's why I think we need to look at the possibility of starving the idiots who racially abuse players on social media of attention.
There are idiots out there who will see how it affects some players and find it hilarious or a challenge to annoy opposition players. They'll move onto VPN and anonymous accounts to prevent arrest but will revel in seeing 'their work' displayed on front pages and news broadcasts. [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 7:55]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 08:24 - Jul 15 with 1319 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Re: Perry
I’m sorry, I know this didn’t go down well the other day when I said similar, but I just can’t generate the same level of contempt I have for the football authorities towards this guy.
Sticking a flare up my arse and hoovering cocaine in front of an audience isn’t my cup of tea but the bigger villain in the form of the football authorities in that day’s fiasco escapes condemnation. [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 8:46]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 08:48 - Jul 15 with 1270 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 07:52 - Jul 15 by 80s_Boy |
Here's the problem...
He's an idiot but the newspapers have given him a platform to revel in what he did, show no remorse and, presumably, get paid for an exclusive interview...
Sometimes 'shining a light' on things isn't always the best option and that's why I think we need to look at the possibility of starving the idiots who racially abuse players on social media of attention.
There are idiots out there who will see how it affects some players and find it hilarious or a challenge to annoy opposition players. They'll move onto VPN and anonymous accounts to prevent arrest but will revel in seeing 'their work' displayed on front pages and news broadcasts. [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 7:55]
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Starving the oxygen of publicity is not of itself a bad idea, but Sunday cannot be swept under the carpet.
The more important debate however, is what causes such loutishness to exist and how and why was it allowed to be performed in public, seemingly without any restrictions.
The first aspect is easy: our education system is matching that of the US in turning out a higher degree of ignorance and the economic model is wrong. As for the second aspect: I read a senior Met Police officer say the policing was not a failure. Our police have a difficult job and I for one am glad they do it, but as with Hillsborough, Orgreave they are impervious to any suggestions of blame or criticism.
We’ve been here before, sadly we’ll be here again. | |
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 23:37 - Jul 14 by daveB |
I'm not sure I've ever seen someone so stupid confess to several crimes in a national newspaper. |
I know, it's almost like it's a set-up, right?
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:18 - Jul 15 with 1229 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 08:48 - Jul 15 by PlanetHonneywood |
Starving the oxygen of publicity is not of itself a bad idea, but Sunday cannot be swept under the carpet.
The more important debate however, is what causes such loutishness to exist and how and why was it allowed to be performed in public, seemingly without any restrictions.
The first aspect is easy: our education system is matching that of the US in turning out a higher degree of ignorance and the economic model is wrong. As for the second aspect: I read a senior Met Police officer say the policing was not a failure. Our police have a difficult job and I for one am glad they do it, but as with Hillsborough, Orgreave they are impervious to any suggestions of blame or criticism.
We’ve been here before, sadly we’ll be here again. |
"Sunday cannot be swept under the carpet."
They were saying yesterday that there were 5 persons who posted racial abuse in the UK on Sunday. That's 5 too many, of course, but I think highlighting how the Nation had come together for the tournament would be more beneficial than highlighting the actions of 5 idiots out of 60m+. The former allows us to acknowledge how untied this country can be whilst the latter allows a false narrative to develop.
"The more important debate however, is what causes such loutishness to exist "
A mixture of stupidity, youth, alcohol and drugs. It's not new and it will always be with us., sadly. Although I haven't stuck a flare up my backside, I won't be alone at looking at my younger self and occasionally feeling embarrassed at what a prat I sometimes was after a couple of pints too many.
"Our police have a difficult job and I for one am glad they do it, but as with Hillsborough, Orgreave they are impervious to any suggestions of blame or criticism."
I'm not going to pretend that I know much about Orgreave to be honest. However, you make an interesting point about Hillsborough. Part of the mistakes the police made in 1989 was rooted in previous behaviour of football fans. That's not to say that the fans present that day were responsible, but being just 4 years from Heysel, Birmingham and Luton the police that day had fresh memories of what can happen when they lose control of fans. However, rather than acknowledge this, the subsequent scrutiny has rendered the Police almost castrated and they seem to always be caught in the middle of arguments about how events should be policed. The soft presence on Sunday was clearly a huge mistake but I didn't like to see images of an officer repeatedly punching someone in the head and am surprised/shocked about how little attention this has received.
There has to be a middle way. [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 9:21]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:48 - Jul 15 with 1148 views | Northolt_Rs |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:18 - Jul 15 by 80s_Boy |
"Sunday cannot be swept under the carpet."
They were saying yesterday that there were 5 persons who posted racial abuse in the UK on Sunday. That's 5 too many, of course, but I think highlighting how the Nation had come together for the tournament would be more beneficial than highlighting the actions of 5 idiots out of 60m+. The former allows us to acknowledge how untied this country can be whilst the latter allows a false narrative to develop.
"The more important debate however, is what causes such loutishness to exist "
A mixture of stupidity, youth, alcohol and drugs. It's not new and it will always be with us., sadly. Although I haven't stuck a flare up my backside, I won't be alone at looking at my younger self and occasionally feeling embarrassed at what a prat I sometimes was after a couple of pints too many.
"Our police have a difficult job and I for one am glad they do it, but as with Hillsborough, Orgreave they are impervious to any suggestions of blame or criticism."
I'm not going to pretend that I know much about Orgreave to be honest. However, you make an interesting point about Hillsborough. Part of the mistakes the police made in 1989 was rooted in previous behaviour of football fans. That's not to say that the fans present that day were responsible, but being just 4 years from Heysel, Birmingham and Luton the police that day had fresh memories of what can happen when they lose control of fans. However, rather than acknowledge this, the subsequent scrutiny has rendered the Police almost castrated and they seem to always be caught in the middle of arguments about how events should be policed. The soft presence on Sunday was clearly a huge mistake but I didn't like to see images of an officer repeatedly punching someone in the head and am surprised/shocked about how little attention this has received.
There has to be a middle way. [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 9:21]
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:59 - Jul 15 with 1113 views | willis1980 |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 07:18 - Jul 15 by PlanetHonneywood |
After the incidents in Brussels in 85, a headline in one of the Italian newspapers read: shame on a country who allows such animals out! It would seem 36 years on, the sentiment remains and the action still necessary.
We have 15 months to wade through social media and CCTV footage, and enact the necessary laws to prevent these cretins from leaving English shores to embarrass us overseas. |
While I fully agree that a section of Englands support act like complete pratts and deserve to be derided for their behaviour. I do feel the Italian media arent really in position to throw with stones. You see more reports of Italian fans attacking people with knives and hammers these days than you English fans doing the same. I know of spurs and liverpool who have witnessed this sort of stuff first hand.
In addtion to that the Italian media posited the ludicrous theory that England only got to the final because UEFA wanted to reward Johnson for putting a pin in the European Super League, this garbagio gained traction on social media too. | | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:16 - Jul 15 with 1057 views | 80s_Boy |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 09:59 - Jul 15 by willis1980 |
While I fully agree that a section of Englands support act like complete pratts and deserve to be derided for their behaviour. I do feel the Italian media arent really in position to throw with stones. You see more reports of Italian fans attacking people with knives and hammers these days than you English fans doing the same. I know of spurs and liverpool who have witnessed this sort of stuff first hand.
In addtion to that the Italian media posited the ludicrous theory that England only got to the final because UEFA wanted to reward Johnson for putting a pin in the European Super League, this garbagio gained traction on social media too. |
I had the misfortune to be in Dortmund in 2017 and Amsterdam in 2018 to see how some English fans behave overseas. They are animals and part of the reason why I swapped following England away for overseas Groundhopping trips. Too many see England away games now as something on par with a stag weekend and act accordingly.
However when following England to Turin a couple of years before, we were advised by the FA AND the Italian Police that no-one could guarantee our safety travelling to and from the stadium and, as a consequence, it was more than advisable to travel on fully escorted buses/trams from the City centre to the stadium and back again.
At a normal Wembley international there is no enforced segregation and away fans sit happily among the home fans free from any abuse and travel to and from Wembley without raising eyebrows.
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| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:27 - Jul 15 with 2006 views | SheffieldHoop |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 08:24 - Jul 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Re: Perry
I’m sorry, I know this didn’t go down well the other day when I said similar, but I just can’t generate the same level of contempt I have for the football authorities towards this guy.
Sticking a flare up my arse and hoovering cocaine in front of an audience isn’t my cup of tea but the bigger villain in the form of the football authorities in that day’s fiasco escapes condemnation. [Post edited 15 Jul 2021 8:46]
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Fact is, the country (And the rest of the world) is full of lads like this, most of them stay in their local boozer/social club, but they're not exactly rare.
Sure, more well-heeled people are going to look at it with incredulity, but if you go to any flat-roofed pub in any small town, you will find these people. "We" might not like them, and "We" might not respect their right to exist. But tough titty. When England is playing within a coach drive of them, they will be there. Gonna have to show some tolerance.
Think Qatar world cup will be fine with regards to "yobs"....Reckon it'll be like South Africa 2010 crowd, but potentially even fewer due to location, price, timing, local laws etc. The Euros will always attract young, poorer fans who can't feasibly go to a world cup. | |
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I know that some police officers don't always do everything above board but that is a classic case of seeing 3 seconds of footage and not having the full information. How do you know he has not got a weapon on him he's refused to relinquish? How do you know he's not just tried to assault that officer or his colleagues and made threats to them repeatedly prior to that 3 seconds? How do you know that he is not one of the risk group who was recognised with an extensive criminal history of assaulting police and members of public, a habitual knife carrier?
I was there on Sunday. I could give you detailed accounts of what I saw on the concourse up by the North side of the stadium but I will keep it brief. There were roving packs of teenagers and men, groups of perhaps 100 strong storming gates and assaulting police, stewards and members of public. I witnessed a group of disabled supporters getting knocked to the floor at one of the gates without a single care for anyone. And as soon as they got pushed away by security and the police they cried 'assault!' as if they were totally untouchable. The genuine fans that were there had their day totally ruined and some of those fans couldn't even get in because of the actions of those animals.
The police were badly unprepared for the level of sheer c**tery that went on and there just weren't enough of them to deal with the situation properly despite the fact that a lot of them had had their days of cancelled for that Sunday less than a week before. The planning for the day was naive at best. It just had not been anticipated that the trouble would be that bad at Wembley. There was apparently larger concern for what was happening in central London not to mention the consideration of the ideal conditions for a potential terrorist attack that had to be resourced for too. But you cannot really criticise the actions of a police officer without knowing the full facts. I am only making the point because I know from several family/friends who do that job, whom I trust, who get absolutely crucified for literally anything they do and the effect it has on them. One who did absolutely nothing wrong other than protect the life of his colleague who was put on desk duties for over a year based on an edited you tube video. It's an impossible job. |  | | |
| England ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ¥ó ®ó §ó ¿ v Italy 🇮🇹 Match Thread on 10:58 - Jul 15 with 1976 views | Juzzie |
I really do believe the whole problem at Wembley on Sunday could have been avoided if they went to full capacity and sold all the tickets.
The fact people knew there were 30,000 empty seats was only going to lead to one conclusion. I mean, it was even mention here on LFW that people were just bunking into previous games at Wembley so once we got to the final they were going to try it on in huge numbers. There were WhatsApp groups all talking about doing it.
I really, really cannot see what difference it would have made having 60,000 (legitimate) people at the stadium or 90,000. Even if the ground was 2/3 full and people evenly spaced in the seats they would still have all been crammed together on the underground, buses, Wembley way, queuing at turnstiles/catering/toilets etc. |  | | |
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